NYC No Standing Bus Stop ticket

[FlyingRon]

Imagine the sign had it been placed parallel to the street facing into traffic. That's how the arrow applies.

 

[Zigner]

The OP believes that the presence of both a no parking and a no standing sign is confusing. The OP should learn the difference between no parking, no standing, and no stopping signs:

http://www.newyorksafetycouncil.com/articles/no-parking-vs-no-standing-vs-no-stopping-signs.aspx

 

[HighwayMan]

Imagine the sign had it been placed parallel to the street facing into traffic. That's how the arrow applies.

Except that signs are double-sided! If there is a single arrow on the sign pointing in one direction then I can see his point, but I can't remember the last time I've seen a sign that poorly placed. Often it's as a result of collisions.

 

[FlyingRon]

Except that signs are double-sided! If there is a single arrow on the sign pointing in one direction then I can see his point, but I can't remember the last time I've seen a sign that poorly placed. Often it's as a result of collisions.

I don't know how that makes a difference. The sign is designed to be read from the street. Whichever sign it is reads as if you were looking at it from the street. If there are double sided parking signs (never seen that) that have conflicting information, that would be one thing, but I've never seen that.

 

[Bali Hai]

Except that signs are double-sided! If there is a single arrow on the sign pointing in one direction then I can see his point, but I can't remember the last time I've seen a sign that poorly placed. Often it's as a result of collisions.

If a collision screwed up the sign shouldn't the city fix it before preying on poor people like this OP?

I would advice OP to stay out of the city with their car and use public transportation or taxi. Someone unfamiliar and driving their car in NYC is just asking for it.

 

[FlyingRon]

It took me a while because the initial location description was incorrect, but the one on the ticket is right. There's nothing confusing about this. He parked in a bus zone, plane and simple.

This appears to be the site of the violation. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8261409,-73.9269237,3a,30y,232.83h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su-eBmbTjsAR59NMLYAMFXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Before (or to the right) depending on your perspective of that sign indicates No Parking Stadium Event and no parking for street sweeping Mon & Thur 8-9:30. Just beyond that you see the fire hydrant and the No Standing Bus Stop pointing back towards us (it's the round sign that's on a post just beyond the fire hydrant and before the sign on the bridge column that says "we buy junk cars.". That makes that entire area a no standing zone.

You'll also notice the complete lack of parked cars in the zone he parked in.

The sign with the No Parking Stadium Event/No Parking Street Sweeping is entirely immaterial. First it applies to the stuff NORTH of the sign. The operative sign is the Bus Stop sign.

 

[AdoptADog]

It took me a while because the initial location description was incorrect, but the one on the ticket is right. There's nothing confusing about this. He parked in a bus zone, plane and simple.

This appears to be the site of the violation. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8261409,-73.9269237,3a,30y,232.83h,84.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su-eBmbTjsAR59NMLYAMFXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Before (or to the right) depending on your perspective of that sign indicates No Parking Stadium Event and no parking for street sweeping Mon & Thur 8-9:30. Just beyond that you see the fire hydrant and the No Standing Bus Stop pointing back towards us (it's the round sign that's on a post just beyond the fire hydrant and before the sign on the bridge column that says "we buy junk cars.". That makes that entire area a no standing zone.

You'll also notice the complete lack of parked cars in the zone he parked in.

The sign with the No Parking Stadium Event/No Parking Street Sweeping is entirely immaterial. First it applies to the stuff NORTH of the sign. The operative sign is the Bus Stop sign.

So, the bus stop would run from the bus stop sign back to the next parking regulation sign, which would be the one we see just to the right of center of the photo, behind which the dark car is seen.

 

[FlyingRon]

So, the bus stop would run from the bus stop sign back to the next parking regulation sign, which would be the one we see just to the right of center of the photo, behind which the dark car is seen.

Correct, the black car is parked legally (provided it's not during a Yankees game or during the designated street sweeping perios). Parked in front of that car would be illegal.

 

[HighwayMan]

I don't know how that makes a difference. The sign is designed to be read from the street. Whichever sign it is reads as if you were looking at it from the street. If there are double sided parking signs (never seen that) that have conflicting information, that would be one thing, but I've never seen that.

All NYC parking signs are double sided and can be read from the street or curb side - both sides are identical.

If there is one arrow on the sign pointing in one direction and the sign is rotated - let's say perpendicular to the street - then it can be confusing as to which way the arrow should be pointing.

 

[FlyingRon]

All NYC parking signs are double sided and can be read from the street or curb side - both sides are identical.

Well that's obviously not universally true (as it this one clearly isn't). If both sides were identical and there is a single headed arrow you have a contradiction. I suspect you mean that they both are intended to convey the same information, which means they aren't identical one has the opposite arrow depiction on it. But looking around my sister-in-law's place in Flatbush, we have a lot of signs that indeed are nearly perpendicular to the street. I'll modify my admonition that the one facing the traffic travelling on that side of the street is the one that is the "street side" one.

It's moot on this case anyhow. There's no ambiguity about the NO STANDING/BUS STOP SIGN.