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quincy

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Dateline and PJ have just been sued by the family of one of guys caught in their sting. This guy went home and killed himself and the family is holding Dateline and PJ responsible for his death. So it looks like, notbusted, that they may, in fact, face some criminal liability.

Journalists are supposed to be observers and neutral reporters of the news, not creators of news - the whole "To Catch a Predator" thing really disturbs me.
 


tyciol

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Encyclopedia Dramatica: the ultimate source of altered out-of-date truth posted for lulz. Anywho, if you'd like to carry on a personal argument related to these topics, PM me or start a thread on a debate forum or something, I don't want to detract from this thread, unless the OP wants that or something.
 

Just Blue

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Dateline and PJ have just been sued by the family of one of guys caught in their sting. This guy went home and killed himself and the family is holding Dateline and PJ responsible for his death. So it looks like, notbusted, that they may, in fact, face some criminal liability.

Journalists are supposed to be observers and neutral reporters of the news, not creators of news - the whole "To Catch a Predator" thing really disturbs me.
Quincy...Keep reading the first page of this thread...The hijacker is upset because he is being accused of the same thing...then read MY post and link...
 

Ozark_Sophist

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Journalists are supposed to be observers and neutral reporters of the news, not creators of news - the whole "To Catch a Predator" thing really disturbs me.
And prosecuters are supposed to respect the law, not pervert it by engaging in unlawful solicitation with minors.
 

Ozark_Sophist

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Dateline and PJ have just been sued by the family of one of guys caught in their sting. This guy went home and killed himself and the family is holding Dateline and PJ responsible for his death. So it looks like, notbusted, that they may, in fact, face some criminal liability.
And the guy that shot himself was a prosecuter. What criminal liability? You mean if I sue someone that means they have criminal liability? No. If they are charged with a crime, there is criminal liability. The only person with criminal liability was the prosecuter who shot himself.
 

Ozark_Sophist

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I understand that adults should not engage in illegal activities whether the minor is willing or not, but like prostitution, it seems like a victimless crime to these men.

If PJ had a means to observe chats between real teens and adults, and THAT was how they were busting peeps, it would be another matter. I think what they are doing now is wrong.
Thankfully you are not involved in writing or enforcing the law. So a 13 year old who was raped by an adult is not a victim because they were asking for it? :rolleyes:
 

quincy

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Ozark - No one argues about putting these guys away. Those who prey on children are the most despicable of human beings and they need to be stopped. I don't argue any of that. And I applaud law enforcement for catching these creeps. But, I don't think televised stings are the way to go about it. Dateline has created a sick reality show for the entertainment of viewers in the name of news. And now they've created a death that they can report on. It is just ethically wrong for any journalist to create or become a part of a story. Any story. The whole thing to me is wrong.

Baystategirl - That link is disturbing. In fact, all of this is disturbing. I think I will return now to my nice safe Defamation section, where people only write and say mean things to each other, but don't do them.

Oops. I am in that section now.
 

Quaere

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Are we seeing justice for perverts or a perversion of justice?

Thankfully you are not involved in writing or enforcing the law. So a 13 year old who was raped by an adult is not a victim because they were asking for it?
OS, PJ is not hunting rapists. They are hunting adults that have been INVITED to have sex with a minor. I do not believe a 13 year old that engages in consensual sex, is a victim. I think a 13 year old is mature enough to consent to anything, just as he is old enough to be tried as an adult if he rapes a 5 year old.

I’m just saying that some of these men view this as a victimless crime and after reading the chats on PJ, I’m inclined to agree with them.

Victimless or not, it’s still a crime and those that choose to ignore the law must suffer consequences. My problem is with the consequences these people are subjected to. The “sentence” of being portrayed (on national TV) in the same light as a predator that lures unsuspecting children into sexual activity, is cruel and unusual given the actual circumstances of the crime. In my opinion, it is far worse than doing jail time.

Most disturbing, is that the perpetrator’s FAMILY, which often includes CHILDREN, suffers the same sentence as the offender. If there are any true victims of the Dateline stings, it is the children of the perpetrators. These children are suffering unspeakable humiliation, so that DATELINE can enjoy good ratings.

I have written to Dateline to suggest they contact Jerry Springer for more ideas on how to increase their ratings. No need for Dateline to reinvent the wheel on unrestrained exploitation of human suffering. Springer has had this stuff down to a science for a long time. Of course, Springer may not want to taint his reputation by speaking with Chris Hanson. As bad as his show is, Springer has always had the defense that his guests all CONSENT to appear on his show and he has never claimed his show has any nobel objective such as law enforcement.

In one of the Dateline stings, the PJ agent ASKED the suspect to strip before entering the house. The agent said it turned her on to have him walk in naked. This had nothing to do with securing the conviction against the guy, it was strictly for TV.
 

quincy

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By Golly, Quaere, this is your lucky thread! First baystategirl agrees with you, and now I am going to agree with you, too. How very strange this world has become. :)
 

tball

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Gone Geraldo...

I just want to agree with quare and the last few posts.

Grown men comming over to have sex with children is wrong.

Luring in men who have these problems just for the sake of television is just as wrong and disturbing. These men may not be wanted in society but they have a serious illness. What good does persecuting and humiliating them on national television do? Other than get ratings for the network. Disquising it as journalism takes it even further. Dateline has gone Geraldo.
 

Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
I just want to agree with quare and the last few posts.

Grown men comming over to have sex with children is wrong.

Luring in men who have these problems just for the sake of television is just as wrong and disturbing. These men may not be wanted in society but they have a serious illness. What good does persecuting and humiliating them on national television do? Other than get ratings for the network. Disquising it as journalism takes it even further. Dateline has gone Geraldo.
That is simple. It shows us pictures of them, and where they live.

PS. The show does not lure the idiots in, they lure themselves.
 

Just Blue

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I just want to agree with quare and the last few posts.

Grown men comming over to have sex with children is wrong.

Luring in men who have these problems just for the sake of television is just as wrong and disturbing. These men may not be wanted in society but they have a serious illness. What good does persecuting and humiliating them on national television do? Other than get ratings for the network. Disquising it as journalism takes it even further. Dateline has gone Geraldo.
Since when is pedophilia an "illness"? It is a sexual preference...
 

tball

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Notbusted. I'm not a lawyer but my unprofessional advice would be to file a written complaint clearly and succinctly describing the situation, with your local court. This will get the ball rolling. This complaint would be sent to perverted justice when you file it and they will have a limited time to either respond and resolve the matter, or appear before a judge for a hearing. You would have to simply go and represent yourself. You would have to prove to the judge what you are claiming. If you do, the judge will likely order them to remedy the situation and could also order damages to you for defamation or harrassment. If you get to a hearing, be prepared to ask the judge for exacty what you want done to remedy the situation and exact dollar amounts for damages. You should also ask for this "remedy" in your written complaint. Many people represent themselves in complaints, but judges don't like people who represent themselves because they are usually unprepared, so be prepared, becasue PJ's attorneys will be. If you go to your local courthouse they usually have a library where you can obtain samples of other complaints to be sure to follow court procedure. If your complaint isn't structured properly their lawyers can get it tossed out on a technicality. A good book I'd recomend is called "Represent Yourself in Court, How to prepare and try a winning case" published by Nolo. I doubt you will get to the point of an actual lawsuit because once this in the courts they will likely try and remedy the problem fast. Which is why I think this would be better than just writing them a letter. But the book will guide you and give you an understanding of the process. Also keep reciepts and tabs on how much time you spend defending this matter, since you are representing yourself you may be able to ask the judge for your time and legal expenses (such as books and research) if you win or prove your case. If you are right, and they have done this wrongfully to you, don't be intimidated just because you don't have an attorney, just remember that you have to prove the things you are claiming in your complaint, and YOU MUST FOLLOW PROPER PROCESS, so do your research. if they are defaming you the way you say they are, I'd think it's be worth it to you. Also, even though they may not respond to a letter, draft and send them a short letter explaining the situation and asking them to fix it immediately, then file that letter with your complaint to show that you have taken steps to resolve it, but still need the courts help.

I can kind of relate, I've been personally villified and defamed in another way by my former fiance, so far she's gotten away with it because she has an attorney and I don't, but I'm learning the process and basically taking the same steps, for basically the same reasons, I have no alternative. (nothing to do with pedophelia).

But remember, just saying you are innocent isn't enough, make sure you can prove it, from what you said it sounds like you can prove it.

For whatever it's worth, I believe you and I know how easily such a thing can happen to an innocent person. On that note you should be able to ask for damages under emotional pain and suffering. Describe how this has effected your life, such as how you are paranoid people are after you and how it has effected your relationships with freinds, girlfriend, and how it has effected your life overall. State that you have never had these conditions. Get written statements or have your friends. co workers or anyone who can testify to the effects, to come to the hearing, if it comes to that.

The main thing you need to figure out is how juristiction works since they are based somewhere else. I'd recomend finding a low cost legal consultant service available in most counties. Not going to an actual attorney for representation but there are low cost referal services where an attorney will look over your paperwork and advise and guide you usually like $50 per visit, then you go do the actual filings and represent yourself.


Keep us posted.
 

tball

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That is simple. It shows us pictures of them, and where they live.

PS. The show does not lure the idiots in, they lure themselves.
No, it shows you video of them getting busted in a sting being publicly humiliated for your entertaiment and astonishment. Rarely do they show where the perp lives. And how do they lure themselves? Are they chatting with themselves and asking themselves to come over for sex? Or is it a child and police on the other end of the line that invites them over for sex?

PS:You can go on the internet to find out where "KNOWN" pedophiles live and what they look like.
 

tball

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Since when is pedophilia an "illness"? It is a sexual preference...
Hmmm. Fortunately just about any doctor or psychologist you ask will disagree with your statement. It's quite sanctimonious of you to say that, unless you are a doctor of some sort and can back it up?

Pedophelia is classified by the American Medical Society and just about every other journal of medicine as a mental illness or mental disorder which impairs ones ability to make sound choices.

If it were just a preference it would be much easier to cure or prevent,

The ICD-10 and DSM IV, which are standard medical diagnosis manuals, currently describe pedophilia as a paraphilia and mental disorder of adults or older youths, which cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
 
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