Reciting the Pledge and 1st Amendment Rights

[2xbpro]

As a student, I do not stand or recite the pledge for the same reason.

It states in most public school's hand books the policy -- which is stated with what was said above.

A student has the right to recite or stand for the pledge but does have to be respectful.

Just speak with the teacher after class and let them know that they cannot force anyone to stand or recite the pledge. It is the same as not allowing someone to go to the bathroom.

Everyone, just think of this with an open mind.

 

[dallas702]

As a student, I do not stand or recite the pledge for the same reason.

It states in most public school's hand books the policy -- which is stated with what was said above.

A student has the right to recite or stand for the pledge but does have to be respectful.

Just speak with the teacher after class and let them know that they cannot force anyone to stand or recite the pledge. It is the same as not allowing someone to go to the bathroom.

Everyone, just think of this with an open mind.

I'm sure all those who gave their limbs and/or lives will think of you with an open mind while you sit on your ass.

 

[ceara19]

I'm sure all those who gave their limbs and/or lives will think of you with an open mind while you sit on your ass.

They gave their life to preserve the freedom which allows the OP the right to refuse to say the pledge.

The school cannot FORCE anyone to say the pledge and they cannot PUNISH a student that refuses to participate. It doesn't matter WHY the OP won't participate. There are student the are not ALLOWED to recite the pledge do to religious reason. Schools make provisions for these students and those provisions should be extended to EVERY student that wishes to abstain from the pledge.

Subject matter aside, it's refreshing to see a teenager with convictions and beliefs that they are willing to stand up for.

 

[dallas702]

They gave their life to preserve the freedom which allows the OP the right to refuse to say the pledge.

The school cannot FORCE anyone to say the pledge and they cannot PUNISH a student that refuses to participate. It doesn't matter WHY the OP won't participate. There are student the are not ALLOWED to recite the pledge do to religious reason. Schools make provisions for these students and those provisions should be extended to EVERY student that wishes to abstain from the pledge.

Subject matter aside, it's refreshing to see a teenager with convictions and beliefs that they are willing to stand up for.

Blah, blah, blah.

I've heard this lame excuse for selfishness a hundred times. No one here has said anyone MUST stand, recite, or show respect. If these kids want to show how concerned and dedicated they are let them go do something that is actually beneficial to someone. This shallow attempt to "make a point" is a phony disguise for ignorance of the blessings and gift they have been given. People with principles take positive action that helps others....not sit on their butts hoping others will notice.

 

[ceara19]

Blah, blah, blah.

I've heard this lame excuse for selfishness a hundred times. No one here has said anyone MUST stand, recite, or show respect. If these kids want to show how concerned and dedicated they are let them go do something that is actually beneficial to someone. This shallow attempt to "make a point" is a phony disguise for ignorance of the blessings and gift they have been given. People with principles take positive action that helps others....not sit on their butts hoping others will notice.

Sitting on her butt hoping someone would notice, seemed to work quite well at actually making a difference and benefiting mankind for Rosa Parks, Mary Beth Tinker, Nelson Mandela and Mohandas Gandhi.

 

[dallas702]

Sitting on her butt hoping someone would notice, seemed to work quite well at actually making a difference and benefiting mankind for Rosa Parks, Mary Beth Tinker, Nelson Mandela and Mohandas Gandhi.

OH PULEEEEEEEEZ!

Those people put themselves at risk. They also staged many events to make their point....but those events could have caused them harm or death.

Not even in the same league.

 

[ceara19]

OH PULEEEEEEEEZ!

Those people put themselves at risk. They also staged many events to make their point....but those events could have caused them harm or death.

Not even in the same league.

You might want to open a history book before you open your mouth. Name ONE thing Mary Beth Tinker did that put her in danger or at risk in anyway. She also didn't go around staging events. She was a 13 year old junior high school student.

http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/outreach/tinker-supctcase.pdf#search='Mary%20Beth%20Tinker'

 

[dallas702]

You might want to open a history book before you open your mouth. Name ONE thing Mary Beth Tinker did that put her in danger or at risk in anyway. She also didn't go around staging events. She was a 13 year old junior high school student.

http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/outreach/tinker-supctcase.pdf#search='Mary%20Beth%20Tinker'

I couldn't care less about Mary Beth Tinker or whatever she did or didn't do. You can drag out examples of people who protested through allegedly nonviolent methods (yeah, they were nonviolent, but many others may have been killed or hurt because of their incitements), but none of them have anything to do with a high school kid who wants to be disrespectful to our founders, veterans, and leaders because he disagrees with some current policy.

Standing for or reciting the Pledge has nothing to do with whether one agrees or disagrees with some current event or government decision. It is about what we stand for as a nation. It is about a committment this country has made over and over to help others around the world to have liberty and better lives. Obviously we aren't always right, but there are hundreds of millions of people today who owe their freedoms and lives to American soldiers and leaders and citizens who stood up for them....just like in Iraq!

Or, do you and your butt-sitting comrade actually think the Iraquis were better off living under the foot of Saddam. And, the Afghanis were better off under the sword of the Taliban? I suppose you think the Vietnamese, Laotians, Koreans, Philippinos, and other Asians wer better off under communist thugs or the Japanese Imperial Army? And you believe Europe would have been better off under Hitler? I'll bet a few million Jews, Catholics, and others would disagree.

There will always be thugs, terrorists, and despots. There will always be poeple who are enslaved or oppressed. Who do you think should step forward to help them if no one else is? Apparently not YOU or your butt-sitting buddy.

 

[loveumms]

Blah, blah, blah.

I've heard this lame excuse for selfishness a hundred times. No one here has said anyone MUST stand, recite, or show respect. If these kids want to show how concerned and dedicated they are let them go do something that is actually beneficial to someone. This shallow attempt to "make a point" is a phony disguise for ignorance of the blessings and gift they have been given. People with principles take positive action that helps others....not sit on their butts hoping others will notice.

Ahmen!

I don't know why this conversation just reminded me of an article I read of Ben Steins from some time ago: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1223/225_print.html. I really loved how it was written and felt like it framed America.

 

[dallas702]

Ahmen!

I don't know why this conversation just reminded me of an article I read of Ben Steins from some time ago: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1223/225_print.html. I really loved how it was written and felt like it framed America.

I really like Ben. He's a man who makes his point(s) without fanfare or self promotion. I have come to appreciate his wit, intelligence, and wisdom. It's too bad ben...or those who are like him...never could make it to the White House. Although, Reagan was actually similar.