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JGRAHAM2010

Junior Member
The federal No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) defines who is and isn't "highly qualified" as a teacher (see 20 U.S.C. §7801(23)). California has a teacher credentialing body, the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing (CCTC) issues permits to teach, which you must have to teach for public schools. (That is, if you have a credential a public school can hire you to teach for them.) Moreover, you can teach for any non-public school without a credential, of course. And, furthermore, you can participate in a "common occupation" in California as a matter of "fundamental" right, such as tutoring kids in math, science, English, etc. (i.e. tutoring is the "common occupation" in question). Indeed, schools can hire tutors with no teaching credentials whatsoever.

Under the terms of the NCLB; schools and school districts that failed to meet minimum standards of academic performance in the student body must pay out up to 20% of their federal Title 1 funds to provide supplemental educational services for students, where that is a choice to parents of (1) sending their kids to a better school in the school district or area or (2) paying for tutoring services of a "qualified" tutor. The federal government at Title 20 U.S.C. §6316(e)(1) authorized the state educational agencies themselves (e.g. Calif. Dept. of Ed. and Board of Ed.) to establish "reasonable" qualifying "criteria" for tutoring business entities that would seek to be on a state list of authorized providers of such tutoring services (should a parent opt to have their child receive tutoring that the school or school district will pay for).

Now, here is the issue.

I seek to be free to tutor as a "highly qualified" teacher individual, where the services are to be paid for under the federal NCLB program for this.

But I can't just go to a school district or parents and say here I am, hire me.

The California legislature enacted some regulations under Title 5 §13075 et. seq. (compensatory education services) where they established qualifying criteria for tutors that will provide tutoring and be paid for the services under the terms of the NCLB (i.e. with federal funds). Of course, even if a school paid for the tutoring services of an outside contractor tutor out of their funds they would still be paying for tutoring with their money. The only thing the federal statutes say is that the failing school or school district must commit up to 20% of it federal Title 1 funds for tutoring, and that they should hire tutors that have show by objective means to be effective in helping students to achieve academic proficiency. The state of California legislature took that to mean that an applicant to be placed on the California list of state approved tutoring providers must provide statistical data based on student academic data and show a statistical improvement in student academic performance where they have tutored a student. But I am a "highly qualified" teacher, and so I am already "qualified" to teach, let alone serve as a tutor. . . indeed, the federal government in their guidance manual on the NCLB specified that an applicant that has NOT even tutored students in the past (e.g. a highly qualified credential teacher) need NOT have run a tutoring business in the past and need only verify that they will provide tutoring services in a manner that is similar to other providers of such tutoring services that have already been approved by the state educational agency.

What I am saying is that the bureaucrats in the Calif. Dept. of Ed. won't accept my application, even as a "highly qualified" teacher that verified that I will run my tutoring program like every other provider that has been approved, by giving my student-clients tests and quizzes with problems typical of those presented on their exams by their teachers and in conformity with such problems the published state academic content standards.

The state bureaucrats even tell me that I cannot prove financial solvency, and so they reject my application for that reason too! (Absurd!) I explained that I am a substitute teacher and even if I was bankrupt I could still get to my students homes to provide a tutoring lesson. (I also point out that I have no employees, but that if I ever hire any I would have enough money in the bank available to cover even 2 months of their salaries, in case the schools fail to pay me for services rendered on time.)

Anyway, the state bureaucrats I have dealt with will not let me even file and application to be fairly placed on the state list of "approved" providers of such services. (Indeed, the application was detailed and tedious, but I believe I filed a complete application that must have been "approved.") And when I sought to appeal their terrible action against me they said that they reject my appeal without looking at what I had to say because they deemed my application to be incomplete because when they looked at it they determined I was not (1) financial solvent and (2) had not proven by statistical tests they require (and presented letters of recommendation they require) and had not run a tutoring business for 2 years (as they also require), and (3) had not proven myself to be qualified to do business in California (where I showed my Calif. Drivers License and told them in my application I am a sole proprietor/sole employee using my own name and that that they could see that I have lived in the Long Beach area of California for a number of years, which is all the proof they need under the circumstances). Of course, the California Dept. of Ed.s qualification criteria run afoul of federal regulations! I do NOT have to show or prove any of these things!

Calls to the California Dept. of Ed. and Board of Ed. have proven a waste of time.

I need to sue.

I have filed a claim against Jack O'Connell and a few others who might be held personally liable for violations of my fundamental rights under California law to work in a common occupation (i.e. tutor -- not "teacher" in this case, though I am a teacher, and I mention that there is no "federal" fundamental right to work in a common occupation where state economic legislation is at issue, but I wonder if this is even economic legislation, but something else entirely). Also, my federal rights are pretty well established here and they have been violated, such that I may reasonably make a Title 42 U.S.C. §1983 action. The action though involves an "approval" by a state agency, and under California law state employees are immune from liability for denying an approval as under California Gov. Code §821.2., not to mention §820.2.

But I would point out that the state legislature created a statute that if wrongly applied by a state employee would result in a deprivation of a fundamental right (under California law), as it did in this case. Would that make a difference? That is, would there NOT be "discretion" where a fundamental right is violated? Or is "discretion" still a valid claim to immunity here on the part of the state employee (i.e. given the mandate of Cal. Gov. Code §820.2).

Also, a COMMON LAW right has been violated, the right to "prospective economic advantage," where by being fairly included on the list of "approved" providers of services I would be certain to obtain employment, or at least I could offer my services to parents seeking such NCLB-mandated tutoring for their children.

I might also point out that there might be a violation of the NCLB itself here, where at 20 U.S.C. §6316(d) we are told that the NCLB "shall not be construed" to alter or effect the rights of school or school district employees under federal, state, or local law or orders. But as a teacher I have the right to even seek teaching jobs, just not where the NCLB is concerned?

I am looking for help in stating a case here.

Also I am not the only teacher being treated like this, and this is really a class matter.

I do intend to sue for the opportunity to "tutor" even where the payment for the tutoring is mandated under the terms of the NCLB.

If you have questions about the statutes and regulations I will be able to give you information on that , but there is no case law on this issue.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 


Hot Topic

Senior Member
If you want to find an attorney, click on AttorneyPages.com.

Your post reads like a speech, and assumes that everyone is not only going to read it in its considerable entirety, but a person (or persons) is going to spend hours going back and forth with you. Read the Important Notice at the end of the page.
 
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tranquility

Senior Member
While you may have the "right" to tutor, you don't have the right to tutor at my house.

Explain your problem however you want, in whatever the way you determine is best, but this is quite settled law. You can't do what you want on my property. Period. Even if park (which it's not). Even if it is some governmental controlled location.

Period.

Your argument (the cases I've seen seem to relate to tennis) is without merit. While you can try to create NEW law (as your arguments are not specifically denied), you are not arguing settled law.

Bottom line and to the core of my understanding, you are not going to be able to instruct golf on a city golf course unless they allow it.

Argue all you want, but, not only do I believe it will not happen at all, I KNOW it will not happen this summer.
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
Dang, I read that whole thing, and nowhere did I see that he wants to tutor golf!

I would think that districts would want to use their own teachers as the tutors, so if they find a place where they are deficient a teacher, THEN they would look to an outside source, like the OP. If they don't need another teacher, they won't hire another teacher.

I don't get tranquility's answer. Where did the OP ask to come onto your property against your will?

I saw that there is another thread that is 58 responses long. Maybe I'll read some of that.

OP, is this really a suing type of situation? Why? At least you have a job.
 

Perky

Senior Member
I was confused by tranquility's reply, too.... until I read the other thread.

I don't know how you intend to argue this when the federal government gave the power to state agencies to define their own criteria:

The federal government at Title 20 U.S.C. §6316(e)(1) authorized the state educational agencies themselves (e.g. Calif. Dept. of Ed. and Board of Ed.) to establish "reasonable" qualifying "criteria" for tutoring business entities that would seek to be on a state list of authorized providers of such tutoring services (should a parent opt to have their child receive tutoring that the school or school district will pay for).
I think you'll have a hard time proving that CA's criteria is unjust or unfair, let alone illegal.

The state of California legislature took that to mean that an applicant to be placed on the California list of state approved tutoring providers must provide statistical data based on student academic data and show a statistical improvement in student academic performance where they have tutored a student.
And the federal government gave them the right to do that.....

I was not (1) financial solvent and (2) had not proven by statistical tests they require (and presented letters of recommendation they require) and had not run a tutoring business for 2 years (as they also require),
Can you provide the data on student achievement? Have you tutored for 2 years? Why are you intent on getting Title 1 funds? No one is preventing you from tutoring. Why not tutor students the old-fashioned way, build up a clientele, and develop your business. Then you will have satisfied one of the above requirements.

I might also point out that there might be a violation of the NCLB itself here, where at 20 U.S.C. §6316(d) we are told that the NCLB "shall not be construed" to alter or effect the rights of school or school district employees under federal, state, or local law or orders.
Are you a school district employee? (I'm pretty sure you're not a school.) :rolleyes:
 

JGRAHAM2010

Junior Member
While you may have the "right" to tutor, you don't have the right to tutor at my house.

Explain your problem however you want, in whatever the way you determine is best, but this is quite settled law. You can't do what you want on my property. Period. Even if park (which it's not). Even if it is some governmental controlled location.

Period.
THIS QUESTION ON THIS POST is about tutoring mathematics, at peoples homes who have asked me to do that. They have a right to have me there, I have a right to be there if they invite me there.

Your argument (the cases I've seen seem to relate to tennis) is without merit. While you can try to create NEW law (as your arguments are not specifically denied), you are not arguing settled law.

Bottom line and to the core of my understanding, you are not going to be able to instruct golf on a city golf course unless they allow it.

Argue all you want, but, not only do I believe it will not happen at all, I KNOW it will not happen this summer.
THIS POST is not about golf at all.
 

JGRAHAM2010

Junior Member
OP, is this really a suing type of situation? Why? At least you have a job.
Yes, unfortunately, it really is a suing situation. Probably all I will get is an injunction, of course. But I would imagine that if I can find an attorney that would be satisfied with attorney fees I might be able to find some professional representation, provided I can research all my rights and establish a good case in this unusual situation so that the attorney can see this is a case worth taking.

P.S. Thanks for noticing that this is a case about teaching, not golf.
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
Yes, unfortunately, it really is a suing situation. Probably all I will get is an injunction, of course. But I would imagine that if I can find an attorney that would be satisfied with attorney fees I might be able to find some professional representation, provided I can research all my rights and establish a good case in this unusual situation so that the attorney can see this is a case worth taking.

P.S. Thanks for noticing that this is a case about teaching, not golf.
Are there other teachers in your district who are tutoring? How did they get licensed (or whatever it takes) and you are not?
 

JGRAHAM2010

Junior Member
Are there other teachers in your district who are tutoring? How did they get licensed (or whatever it takes) and you are not?
I realize it may sound incredible, but teachers are NOT deemed fit to "tutor" when it comes to paying for the tutoring under the mandate of the NCLB -- according to the staff of the California Dept. of Ed. and Board of Ed. Any other time teachers are free to be hired by school districts as tutors -- or teachers.

That is why I have a long and detailed initial post, so that a reader can come to understand the insanity and bureaucracy I am pitted against here.

And when it comes to "tutoring" in general, that is not a "licensed" job at all. Anyone can be a tutor. A school district can hire anyone at all as a "tutor."

Of course, the NCLB sets some minimal standards for "tutors" where it comes to the NCLB, but absolutely does NOT require that to be on the state list of "NCLB approved" tutors (if you will) that you have done anything like run a tutoring business in the past for 2 years, or have tutored at all, let alone prove by statistical methods that such tutoring provided for students by such business operations has resulted in improved student academic proficiency -- unless there is data available (which involves parents agreeing to allow the tutoring company to have access to the student's academic information)! I have tutored in the past, I just cannot provide data to prove that my tutoring has resulted in any improvement in student academic proficiency. But, again, it is NOT necessary to provide such information, UNLESS IT IS "AVAILABLE." (That's federal regulations on the matter right there -- if you doubt this and insist I look it up and cite you chapter and verse, okay, but just take my word for it for the sake of this discussion otherwise.)

And there is something else -- I am permitted to actually teach, let alone "tutor," and I am "highly qualified" to teach the very subjects I would tutor.

More, the reason my application was rejected, and why I was denied an appeal, is because they said I did not show I was (1) legally constituted to do business in California! (Again, I sent them a photocopy of my Calif. Drivers Lic., showing that I have been in Long Beach for the past 3 years at least, and I explained that I am a sole proprietor of the tutoring business I conduct and will conduct for parents, their kids, and schools. Talking to a representative of the Calif. Dept. of Ed., she told me that this was not good enough to prove that I am legally constituted to do business in California!) Then I was told (2) that I did not show sufficient "financial solvency" to assure that I can deliver tutoring services! (Of course, I explained, I have no employees, and tutoring does not require any investment at all, that my wealth is not an issue here. . .) And then there is the issue (3) of my proof of improving student proficiency from running a tutoring business in the past -- not an issue at all, but the Calif. Dept. of Ed. and Board of Ed. says (or I think they are saying) that they can make up any "criteria" they like and force me to comply, and then tell me that the federal regulations permit them to do this, but that simply is not true.

Anyway, the teacher of the year could not be a "tutor" under the qualification method in place presently, unless the teacher had run a tutoring business for 2 years, had sufficient student academic data "available" to please the California Dept. of Ed., and has sufficient "financial solvency" and can prove their being "legally constituted to do business" in California. And if the Calif. Dept. of Ed. should reject the application on any basis where they said your application was "incomplete" for your failure to have met any such qualifying criterion as these, theY then will tell you they will not allow you to appeal at all and reject your appeal because they have a policy -- to not accept any appeals from any party whose initial application was rejected for being incomplete in some manner.

INSANITY!
 
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Humusluvr

Senior Member
OK, so I get what CA is saying now. They say that they want tutors from a Huntington Learning or Sylvan Learning Center type. Well, it sounds like that is what they have written into the law. The only thing you can do is start a business, be in business two years, run it legitimately and show the learning increases that they want, and then apply again. I understand that you want to take the "fast track" (as it also seems in your other post - but that is neither here nor there) and be paid by the state NOW for something that I fully realize you would be good at - but you don't have the credentials they want. If you sue now, you'll lose. You don't have the necessary qualifications (even though the qualifications are LESS than what you have, you still don't have the "right" ones).

Sorry, but good try.

You seem smart and eloquent, why don't you open your own tutorial business?
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
And, I think you HAVE to understand CA's rationale in writing this tutorial qualification list the way they have. Here's how I see it step by step:

Lots of kids are failing
Academic emergency
Make a budget to offer tutoring to kids
Employ people who were not the ones who led the kids to failure in the first place.
Make sure tutors are legit.

Sylvan and Huntington have track records for success. The CA teachers have (unfortunately) shown that the kids are not successful (blame whoever you want). So CA has to cover their butts and hire people who were not the teachers who taught them in the first place. I think that shows they are "trying all solutions possible"
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
I mean, imagine this conversation -

Parent "Hello, I would like to have my child tutored so he doesn't fail math again."

School "OK, here's the list of tutors. Oh look, little Johnny has Mr. X for math, and he's available to tutor for math!"

Parent "WTF? Mr. X couldn't help little Johnny pass the first time, but if he tutors Johnny, Johnny will pass? What kind of scheme is this? Mr X gets paid TWICE for a job he should have done right the first time? I'm suing...."

So, it can't be you who tutors...
 

JGRAHAM2010

Junior Member
And, I think you HAVE to understand CA's rationale in writing this tutorial qualification list the way they have. Here's how I see it step by step:

Lots of kids are failing
Academic emergency
Make a budget to offer tutoring to kids
Employ people who were not the ones who led the kids to failure in the first place.
Make sure tutors are legit.

Sylvan and Huntington have track records for success. The CA teachers have (unfortunately) shown that the kids are not successful (blame whoever you want). So CA has to cover their butts and hire people who were not the teachers who taught them in the first place. I think that shows they are "trying all solutions possible"
That sounds like a "reasonable" rationalization of the situation, but that is not what is going on.

The providers like "Sylvan" hire people without college degrees -- I know, because I looked into it. They don't hire people with college degrees because they only pay their tutors -- let's say, very little. And why should they pay more? Indeed, the NCLB specifies that there is NO requirement that such a tutoring provider hire "highly qualified" teachers to serve as tutors.

Also, think of this; the federal government has already established what makes a person "highly qualified" to teach a subject. Indeed, not just "qualified," but "highly" qualified.

And think of this; the "reasonable criteria" that state educational agencies are let establish and which I must "meet" to be "approved" to be on the state list of tutoring providers and be able to talk to parents about "choosing" me as a tutor for their kids (where the school must then hire me, having no choice in the matter) ARE QUALIFYING CRITERIA.

What? A "highly qualified" teacher of a subject is not "qualified" as a tutor because the state says so in spite of federal statutes to the contrary?

I think one of my attacks would be under the federal "absurdity doctrine."
 
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