Unemployed Husband

[mistoffolees]

You forgot one:
Twenty Years Of Marriage.

Yes, of course. In my state (OK), the rule of thumb is 1 year of support for every 4 years of marriage, although there's a lot of latitude.

However, if his earning capacity is equal to hers, he may not get a dime - even if he's not currently working. You'd need to have all the details on what their careers are and why he's not working to even guess and even then it would only be a guess. If he didn't work because she was making more money and he stayed home to take care of the kids, chances are that he'll get alimony. If the kids were grown up and there was no reason for him to stay home except laziness, he might not.

 

[Bali Hai]

Yes, of course. In my state (OK), the rule of thumb is 1 year of support for every 4 years of marriage, although there's a lot of latitude.

However, if his earning capacity is equal to hers, he may not get a dime - even if he's not currently working. You'd need to have all the details on what their careers are and why he's not working to even guess and even then it would only be a guess. If he didn't work because she was making more money and he stayed home to take care of the kids, chances are that he'll get alimony. If the kids were grown up and there was no reason for him to stay home except laziness, he might not.

Maybe this and maybe that....If the kids were grown up and HE was a SHE and there was no reason for her to stay home except laziness, she would most certainly get alimony!!

Everyone here keeps forgetting that the main goal of women and judges in divorces is to keep men in servitude to women!!

 

[mistoffolees]

Maybe this and maybe that....If the kids were grown up and HE was a SHE and there was no reason for her to stay home except laziness, she would most certainly get alimony!!

Everyone here keeps forgetting that the main goal of women and judges in divorces is to keep men in servitude to women!!

You're wrong, of course. For example, my ex-wife was a nurse. She stayed home during almost our entire marriage to watch the kids. Since nurses are in demand, we got to court and they allowed me to estimate her income at $60 K - the starting income for a nurse in this area.

Now, I'm paying alimony, but that's because my income was so much higher than that. If my income were similar to the income she was capable of achieving as a nurse, there would have been no alimony.

So, in the real world, it works the way I claimed and not the way you are pretending.

 

[Bali Hai]

You're wrong, of course. For example, my ex-wife was a nurse. She stayed home during almost our entire marriage to watch the kids. Since nurses are in demand, we got to court and they allowed me to estimate her income at $60 K - the starting income for a nurse in this area.

Now, I'm paying alimony, but that's because my income was so much higher than that. If my income were similar to the income she was capable of achieving as a nurse, there would have been no alimony.

You have absolutely NO WAY of knowing this, so stop it!!

You are rationalizing the fact that you are paying alimony to make yourself feel better about it, and, you would do the same if you were ordered to pay alimony if her income potential was exactly the same as yours!!

I don't know what motivates you to defend the courts, you must have a "yes sir" attitude and you must be somewhat brainwashed about it.

I say the divorce courts suck BIG TIME and the system needs a serious overhaul!!

So, in the real world, it works the way I claimed and not the way you are pretending.

I have absolutely no reason to pretend. I'm beginning to wonder if you are one of those pro-wife, manhating judges I have mentioned here on several occasions.

 

[LdiJ]

You're wrong, of course. For example, my ex-wife was a nurse. She stayed home during almost our entire marriage to watch the kids. Since nurses are in demand, we got to court and they allowed me to estimate her income at $60 K - the starting income for a nurse in this area.

Now, I'm paying alimony, but that's because my income was so much higher than that. If my income were similar to the income she was capable of achieving as a nurse, there would have been no alimony.

So, in the real world, it works the way I claimed and not the way you are pretending.

I don't know how long she was out of the workforce, but you may have lucked out just a bit unless your marriage was relatively short. Despite the fact that nurses are in demand, it would be difficult for someone to get hired without some updating of their skills and education, because the medical field changes rapidly.

Would you want to be cared for by a nurse that had been out of the field for say 20 years?...without that nurse getting any updating education?

 

[mistoffolees]

I have absolutely no reason to pretend. I'm beginning to wonder if you are one of those pro-wife, manhating judges I have mentioned here on several occasions.

Your lack of a rational, fact-based argument is noted.

 

[mistoffolees]

I don't know how long she was out of the workforce, but you may have lucked out just a bit unless your marriage was relatively short. Despite the fact that nurses are in demand, it would be difficult for someone to get hired without some updating of their skills and education, because the medical field changes rapidly.

Would you want to be cared for by a nurse that had been out of the field for say 20 years?...without that nurse getting any updating education?

It's actually not quite that simple. In many locations, nurses are in enough demand that they can get hired as long as they agree to get their credentials updated within a certain period of time. Granted, they won't be working completely independently until they update their credentials, but it is sometimes done.

But that wasn't really the point. The point was that if a person is capable of working, it is not at all uncommon for income to be imputed to them even if they're not working at that time. If there are no special skills, income will be imputed at a low level, but something will usually be considered.

 

[LdiJ]

It's actually not quite that simple. In many locations, nurses are in enough demand that they can get hired as long as they agree to get their credentials updated within a certain period of time. Granted, they won't be working completely independently until they update their credentials, but it is sometimes done.

But that wasn't really the point. The point was that if a person is capable of working, it is not at all uncommon for income to be imputed to them even if they're not working at that time. If there are no special skills, income will be imputed at a low level, but something will usually be considered.

I don't disagree...I am simply pointing out that you getting your wife imputed at 60k may have been a bit of "luck".

Had I been your wife's attorney I would have certainly argued against 60k if she had been out of the workforce for a long time....because if someone hires a nurse that is on "probation" until their skills are updated, odds are they won't be paid 60k.

I am not arguing YOUR case. I am arguing/applying your case towards others that may read this thread...either now...or in the future. I don't think that its guaranteed that someone else in a similar situation could get the same result....even with the same career path, and certainly with other career paths the situation could be vastly different.

 

[mistoffolees]

I don't disagree...I am simply pointing out that you getting your wife imputed at 60k may have been a bit of "luck".

Had I been your wife's attorney I would have certainly argued against 60k if she had been out of the workforce for a long time....because if someone hires a nurse that is on "probation" until their skills are updated, odds are they won't be paid 60k.

I am not arguing YOUR case. I am arguing/applying your case towards others that may read this thread...either now...or in the future. I don't think that its guaranteed that someone else in a similar situation could get the same result....even with the same career path, and certainly with other career paths the situation could be vastly different.

Agreed. In fact, I'd take your argument one step further for others reading this. There are few professions where you're going to get that kind of money imputed. For the average office worker, it wouldn't be unusual to have minimum wage imputed - even though the person might go out and get a $50 K job the day after the divorce is final. Judges don't like to impute high incomes unless they're absolutely certain that the person can get that.

I was lucky in that my ex was a nurse and if a nurse is breathing (even intermittently), they can get a good job.

 

[Bali Hai]

Agreed. In fact, I'd take your argument one step further for others reading this. There are few professions where you're going to get that kind of money imputed. For the average office worker, it wouldn't be unusual to have minimum wage imputed - even though the person might go out and get a $50 K job the day after the divorce is final. Judges don't like to impute high incomes unless they're absolutely certain that the person can get that.

I was lucky in that my ex was a nurse and if a nurse is breathing (even intermittently), they can get a good job.

If the husband demands she get her lazy ass into the work force from day one and stay there, then judge's won't have to impute an income, and, another way to keep the man in servitude will need to be "found"??

This is my "fact-based" advice for others reading this!!

 

[mistoffolees]

If the husband demands she get her lazy ass into the work force from day one and stay there, then judge's won't have to impute an income, and, another way to keep the man in servitude will need to be "found"??

This is my "fact-based" advice for others reading this!!

Your lack of a rational, fact-based argument is again noted.

 

[tuffbrk]

Your lack of a rational, fact-based argument is again noted.

And your naive, childish belief that your situation was common is also noted. In fact, I find it incredible that $60k was imputed for a party that had not been working for years. Hmm....making up facts to suit yourself? LOL - most probably!!

BTW - each state varies, however, in many of them the employment status quo that developed during a long term marriage carries a great deal of weight.

 

[VeronicaLodge]

No - no one has mentioned that! Then again, it's Friday - why ruin her weekend?!

Hey VL - Enjoy yours Sweetie!!

hey thanks! hope yours was good too