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CJane

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What is the name of your state? MO

Trial was today. Everything went REALLY well. Couldn't, in fact, have gone better really.

I was on the stand for right at 3 hours and then we broke for lunch. When we returned, the X was on the stand about the same amount of time. No other witnesses were called. SMom did not show up, though she provided a Dr's note stating that she could not appear in court any sooner than 6 weeks from now. We elected to proceed without her present.

X came across as VERY controlling, bitter and whiny. Everything he testified to was about his need to control me. He even testified to the fact that he wants his designation as sole custodian, not because he's concerned about the children, but because he wants to be able to 'hold me accountable' whether the children are in my home or not.

He stated that instead of supervised visits, he'd like the court to order an open door policy. His definition of this would be that while the kids are in my care, he could designate someone of his choosing who could 'stop by' randomly throughout my custodial periods to assure that we were at my home, that the kids were behaving appropriately, that his rules were being followed in my home, and that the house was 'suitably clean'.

The GAL asked him if he could explain how changing the custody to EOW would foster frequent and meaningful contact between the children and me. He said "Well, I don't see the need for that, really." She asked him if he felt that we could communicate effectively in order to co-parent, and he said no, explaining that by saying that I refuse to follow his rules, and he doesn't think that's fair. The GAL said "Isn't it true that part of the reason communication is so difficult is because you've done everything in your power to thwart communication and usurp Jane's role as mother?" He denied it, but not until he'd blustered for awhile.

At one point, the ex yelled at my attorney to 'get back over there' (to the witness stand) so that he could more thoroughly answer a question re: a piece of evidence.

The GAL submitted her photos of my home, indicated that it's a pleasant and safe rural environment, that the kids have toys and books and pets and seem secure and happy here. She was not at all concerned with the distance travelled every day to transport the kids to school, especially once the ex admitted that they spend MORE time on the school bus. She asked if I discussed the children's days with them on the drives, if we share meals (either in the car or at home), if we listened to books or took side trips, if the kids were buckled in safely, etc. She asked if I considered the conversations that we have meaningful and integral to our family life. I said "Yes, of course". She said "It's safe to assume X isn't having those conversations while the kids are on the school bus, correct?" :)

There was quite a bit of focus on SMom's over-involvement, though since she wasn't there we couldn't go into great detail. I testified to her calling me at work to berate me for letting the kids watch TV she considers inappropriate, the times she's told me that by the time the custody stuff is over with, she'll have more rights to the children than I do, etc. Her deposition was entered into evidence as testimony.


Finally, the GAL gave her recommendation...

The physical time should remain as is. The language should read joint legal/joint physical. X should learn to communicate with me regardless of his personal feelings for me since I'm clearly making an effort to focus on the children's best interests. X should pay child support. We should re-evaluate whether or not it's appropriate for SMom to provide child care, or whether the children should return to licensed after school care.

Judge took everything under advisement and said he'd contact the attornies with his ruling.

SO... questions:

How long, generally, will a judge take to rule? Is there a statutory limit? Is there a rough statistic on how often a judge will appoint a GAL and then rule counter to what they recommend? My attorney indicated that the judge could order something completely different, if the mood struck him - such as awarding me more parenting time (yeah, she's my attorney, so I know she's supposed to say things like that) - but how often does that actually happen? I don't like the X at all, but I don't necessarily want him losing parenting time.
 


Congratulations

Sounds like everything went splendidly!

Your x sounds like a clueless jack @$$...Open door policy...lol...
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
I can only speak to Jackson County judges in general but as a group they are known for getting very pissy when one or the other party makes such demands outside the best interest of the children.

It may take a few weeks to a month or more for the judge to make his/her determination. Be patient.

P.S. There is one judge who is well-known for making decision within a week if one party pisses him off enough. ;)
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
CJane said:
What is the name of your state? MO

Trial was today. Everything went REALLY well. Couldn't, in fact, have gone better really.

I was on the stand for right at 3 hours and then we broke for lunch. When we returned, the X was on the stand about the same amount of time. No other witnesses were called. SMom did not show up, though she provided a Dr's note stating that she could not appear in court any sooner than 6 weeks from now. We elected to proceed without her present.

X came across as VERY controlling, bitter and whiny. Everything he testified to was about his need to control me. He even testified to the fact that he wants his designation as sole custodian, not because he's concerned about the children, but because he wants to be able to 'hold me accountable' whether the children are in my home or not.

He stated that instead of supervised visits, he'd like the court to order an open door policy. His definition of this would be that while the kids are in my care, he could designate someone of his choosing who could 'stop by' randomly throughout my custodial periods to assure that we were at my home, that the kids were behaving appropriately, that his rules were being followed in my home, and that the house was 'suitably clean'.

The GAL asked him if he could explain how changing the custody to EOW would foster frequent and meaningful contact between the children and me. He said "Well, I don't see the need for that, really." She asked him if he felt that we could communicate effectively in order to co-parent, and he said no, explaining that by saying that I refuse to follow his rules, and he doesn't think that's fair. The GAL said "Isn't it true that part of the reason communication is so difficult is because you've done everything in your power to thwart communication and usurp Jane's role as mother?" He denied it, but not until he'd blustered for awhile.

At one point, the ex yelled at my attorney to 'get back over there' (to the witness stand) so that he could more thoroughly answer a question re: a piece of evidence.

The GAL submitted her photos of my home, indicated that it's a pleasant and safe rural environment, that the kids have toys and books and pets and seem secure and happy here. She was not at all concerned with the distance travelled every day to transport the kids to school, especially once the ex admitted that they spend MORE time on the school bus. She asked if I discussed the children's days with them on the drives, if we share meals (either in the car or at home), if we listened to books or took side trips, if the kids were buckled in safely, etc. She asked if I considered the conversations that we have meaningful and integral to our family life. I said "Yes, of course". She said "It's safe to assume X isn't having those conversations while the kids are on the school bus, correct?" :)

There was quite a bit of focus on SMom's over-involvement, though since she wasn't there we couldn't go into great detail. I testified to her calling me at work to berate me for letting the kids watch TV she considers inappropriate, the times she's told me that by the time the custody stuff is over with, she'll have more rights to the children than I do, etc. Her deposition was entered into evidence as testimony.


Finally, the GAL gave her recommendation...

The physical time should remain as is. The language should read joint legal/joint physical. X should learn to communicate with me regardless of his personal feelings for me since I'm clearly making an effort to focus on the children's best interests. X should pay child support. We should re-evaluate whether or not it's appropriate for SMom to provide child care, or whether the children should return to licensed after school care.

Judge took everything under advisement and said he'd contact the attornies with his ruling.

SO... questions:

How long, generally, will a judge take to rule? Is there a statutory limit? Is there a rough statistic on how often a judge will appoint a GAL and then rule counter to what they recommend? My attorney indicated that the judge could order something completely different, if the mood struck him - such as awarding me more parenting time (yeah, she's my attorney, so I know she's supposed to say things like that) - but how often does that actually happen? I don't like the X at all, but I don't necessarily want him losing parenting time.

Do you think st-mom was "asked" to be ill by your ex's lawyer?? If I were the attorney...it would scare the pis$ out of me to have her testify!!:eek:
 

CJane

Senior Member
BelizeBreeze said:
I can only speak to Jackson County judges in general but as a group they are known for getting very pissy when one or the other party makes such demands outside the best interest of the children.

It may take a few weeks to a month or more for the judge to make his/her determination. Be patient.

P.S. There is one judge who is well-known for making decision within a week if one party pisses him off enough. ;)
Jackson County judges aren't gonna help me! LOL We're in Platte County.

I'll be patient. I feel SO much better knowing that it's essentially over now except for the waiting. And while I knew that the ex was being petty and ridiculous, it felt good to know that other people are finally seeing that.

I'll just cross my fingers that it doesn't take a couple of months.

Ith ~ Yes, he's a dumba$$. He even stated on the stand that I shouldn't be allowed to do anything during the periods that the kids are in school except go to work and go straight home because anything else is counter to 'providing a stable environment'. He also stated that his current wife respects his status as head of the household and is very good at doing what she's told. If I were a judge, I'd get the female children the hell out of that house! lol
 

CJane

Senior Member
baystategirl said:
Do you think st-mom was "asked" to be ill by your ex's lawyer?? If I were the attorney...it would scare the pis$ out of me to have her testify!!:eek:
Well, to be totally fair...

She DID have a C-Section last Tuesday and gave birth to an 11 pound child. I'm learning that just because I can give birth to 9 pound children (my daughters) and be back to baling hay within 3 days, and just because I can have emergency abdominal surgery and be back to work within 2 days, and just because I can giver birth (to my son) and within 2 days be driving 3 hours to my mom's house for a funeral, not everyone is made of the same cloth.

But yes, I think the last thing they wanted after her deposition is to actually let us get a hold of her on the stand. If the judge actually reads her deposition, it's only going to help me.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
CJane said:
Jackson County judges aren't gonna help me! LOL We're in Platte County.

I'll be patient. I feel SO much better knowing that it's essentially over now except for the waiting. And while I knew that the ex was being petty and ridiculous, it felt good to know that other people are finally seeing that.

I'll just cross my fingers that it doesn't take a couple of months.

Ith ~ Yes, he's a dumba$$. He even stated on the stand that I shouldn't be allowed to do anything during the periods that the kids are in school except go to work and go straight home because anything else is counter to 'providing a stable environment'. He also stated that his current wife respects his status as head of the household and is very good at doing what she's told. If I were a judge, I'd get the female children the hell out of that house! lol

You have GOT to be kidding?? Is he involved in some strange religion??
 

weenor

Senior Member
The time for ruling...well it so depends on the judge...You would think that they would appreciate that people's lives hang in the balance, but sometimes they do not. I can only speak to Alabama but in the workers' compensation cases we have tried..anywhere from a week to 13 months...if you are in a larger county, the judges are usually a little faster..but who knows? One thing about family law is that the players are consistently the same..if your lawyer has appeared in front of this judge before, he should have the best idea about how long the judge will take.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
CJane said:
Well, to be totally fair...

She DID have a C-Section last Tuesday and gave birth to an 11 pound child. I'm learning that just because I can give birth to 9 pound children (my daughters) and be back to baling hay within 3 days, and just because I can have emergency abdominal surgery and be back to work within 2 days, and just because I can giver birth (to my son) and within 2 days be driving 3 hours to my mom's house for a funeral, not everyone is made of the same cloth.

But yes, I think the last thing they wanted after her deposition is to actually let us get a hold of her on the stand. If the judge actually reads her deposition, it's only going to help me.

For Gods sake!! What do they feed you women out there?? 11lbs?!!!...My eldest was 9.6 and I thought that was huge!!
 

CJane

Senior Member
baystategirl said:
You have GOT to be kidding?? Is he involved in some strange religion??

Heh. He's Baptist. Which amuses me because I grew up Baptist, and he's trying to say now that I'm anti-religion.

He didn't look too good today when he admitted he had the oldest baptised w/out informing me because it's 'none of my business'.
 

CJane

Senior Member
baystategirl said:
For Gods sake!! What do they feed you women out there?? 11lbs?!!!...My eldest was 9.6 and I thought that was huge!!
I'm sure you've heard references to us corn-fed midwestern women, haven't you?

My girls were 8 lbs 15 oz and 8 lbs 15.5 ounces @ 2 weeks early. My son was 7lbs 3oz @ 3 weeks early. No issues w/low birth weight going on w/these kids! In fact, my doctor actually told me not to bother not smoking during my pregnancy because worst case scenario, I'd have a normal sized child! lol
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
CJane said:
I'm sure you've heard references to us corn-fed midwestern women, haven't you?

My girls were 8 lbs 15 oz and 8 lbs 15.5 ounces @ 2 weeks early. My son was 7lbs 3oz @ 3 weeks early. No issues w/low birth weight going on w/these kids! In fact, my doctor actually told me not to bother not smoking during my pregnancy because worst case scenario, I'd have a normal sized child! lol

#1 : 9.6 @3 days late....#2: 7.12 @ 8 days late....I gotta get me some corn next time...:eek: ...
 

CJane

Senior Member
baystategirl said:
#1 : 9.6 @3 days late....#2: 7.12 @ 8 days late....I gotta get me some corn next time...:eek: ...
Something like that! The boy is almost 3 months old and has more than doubled his birth weight already. He's gonna be a stout lad! lol My 6 year old wears a size 8 and my 9 year old is in a 12. And they're both just really tall for their ages, not chunky. I have NO idea where they got tall skinny genes, cuz it certainly isn't from this 5'6" and build like a brick sh*thouse mommy!
 
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eme76

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glad to see things went well CJane:D





i guess my family are part shrimp or somthing...out of all 12 kids (mine+neices&nefews) the biggest was 7lbs 2oz:eek:
the little one was almost 3lbs but she was almost 2 1/2 mo early
 
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