Want to take grandkids on cruise

[Sandy53]

What is the name of your state? PA

My daughter and her husband have recently seperated. We are planning on taking the grandkids and my daughter on a cruise to Bermuda in August. We were told that we needed a document stating that we are allowed to take the kids on this vacation ( notarized) The father is playing games. He said he signed the paper but we don't have it yet. My question is on one of the children's birth certificates there is no father listed. Would we still need his signature on this paper. Would we be able to take the kids with just the mothers signature ?
Thanks for any info.
Sandy

 

[CourtClerk]

If there is no father listed on the birth certificate, and paternity hasn't been established AFTER the birth certificate was done, and just never amended, then no, you probably don't need his permission to remove the children from the country, but you do need moms.

For the dad that is playing games, the solution is simple. Have mom go back into court and let the judge ok the vacation.

 

[Ohiogal]

First question: do the children have passports?

 

[Sandy53]

Yes, We have the passports . Hubby paid for everybody ( including SIL ) a few months ago thinking we were going anyway before this started. Hubby went to him a week ago and told him we were not going to judge . Then he turned around and called my daughter and said " You're going on a cruise ? " When we specifically told him we were taking the kids only .
Sandy

 

[Ohiogal]

Yes, We have the passports . Hubby paid for everybody ( including SIL ) a few months ago thinking we were going anyway before this started. Hubby went to him a week ago and told him we were not going to judge . Then he turned around and called my daughter and said " You're going on a cruise ? " When we specifically told him we were taking the kids only .
Sandy

How did hubby (your husband, correct) get passports for the children without the father's permission? Are there any court orders for sole custody? You by the way are NOT in a permission to judge.

CC is somewhat incorrect due to the fact that this is a MARRIED couple. The married couple and the husband is the father of the children. Hence that poses problems. What court orders exist?

 

[Sandy53]

How did hubby (your husband, correct) get passports for the children without the father's permission? Are there any court orders for sole custody? You by the way are NOT in a permission to judge.

CC is somewhat incorrect due to the fact that this is a MARRIED couple. The married couple and the husband is the father of the children. Hence that poses problems. What court orders exist?

Last year we were ALL going to go on a trip and hubby said he would pay for the passports. Hence when the passports came SIL and daughter asked "dad" to hold on to everyone's for safety.
So far my daughter has a Protection from abuse since he gets violent at times. She went to court last week and was going to drop it but he started arguing so the judge said to keep it till next hearing July 3. She asked for the two youngest custody ( the oldest is 15) thinking he can decide for himself. Right now they alternate weekends and my daughter is very flexible about the kids being with him for now. Now he is in the house ( in daughter and my hubby's name) but he told her last night he was going to stop paying the bills. He has put her in debt , they consolodated , only for him to put them more in debt.

 

[VeronicaLodge]

you keep saying "hubby" but don't specify if you mean your daughters hubby (the childrens father) or your hubby. its confusing

 

[Sandy53]

you keep saying "hubby" but don't specify if you mean your daughters hubby (the childrens father) or your hubby. its confusing

Sorry I mean my hubby ( that's what I call him on other boards) children's father I call SIL (son in law)
Sandy

 

[CourtClerk]

CC is somewhat incorrect due to the fact that this is a MARRIED couple. The married couple and the husband is the father of the children. Hence that poses problems. What court orders exist?

Uhhh... how did I miss that? I thought that there were children by 2 different men

 

[VeronicaLodge]

Sorry I mean my hubby ( that's what I call him on other boards) children's father I call SIL (son in law)
Sandy

now see, i kept reading SIL as sister in law! and I was wondering where that person came into it! thanks for the clarification.

now did you say at one point that mom was coming too? I would think mom has a right to take her kids on vacation.

 

[Ohiogal]

now see, i kept reading SIL as sister in law! and I was wondering where that person came into it! thanks for the clarification.

now did you say at one point that mom was coming too? I would think mom has a right to take her kids on vacation.

Not necessarily out of country because that would require hubby's approval. Not as easy as out of state. And OP said they are taking the kids only? Well guess what -- not without dad's permission most likely. He has a right to block that trip.

 

[VeronicaLodge]

i know, im confused, at one point she says kids only but in her first post she said

We are planning on taking the grandkids and my daughter on a cruise to Bermuda in August.

 

[Sandy53]

i know, im confused, at one point she says kids only but in her first post she said

My husband went to the son in law and asked him to sign a paper and have it notarized so he ( husband and I ) could take the grandkids to Bermuda in August. Son in law said where he worked there was a notary so he would get it done there. As soon as my husband left son in law called his wife ( my daughter) and said "so you are going on a cruise ! " Husband said mother ( my daughter)was NOT going with us. Husband and I went on a cruise last October and when we came home he told the grandkids that he was going to take them on a "big boat". At the time it was going to be everybody, Mom , dad, kids, grand parents ...but now that my daughter left son in law my husband still wants to take the kids.
In the past we have all taken family trips , Disney World, Busch Gardens, Bahamas but now this year it will be different. Son in law and daughter have split. I don't have anything against the guy but from what I am hearing I will NOT tolerate abusing my kids no matter how old they are ! He was told he was welcome to bring the kids over swimming but he told my daughter he would feel "wierd" coming here without her. ( which he wants )

Hope this clarifies some things.

 

[Silverplum]

I don't have anything against the guy but from what I am hearing I will NOT tolerate abusing my kids no matter how old they are ! He was told he was welcome to bring the kids over swimming but he told my daughter he would feel "wierd" coming here without her. ( which he wants )

Hope this clarifies some things.

Not at all.

Their marriage is NONE of your business. Of course, telling you that is pointless, but nonetheless, it had to be said.

Keep it up, Grandma, and the FATHER of the children (not "your" kids!) will block you at every turn. It's human nature.

 

[Ohiogal]

My husband went to the son in law and asked him to sign a paper and have it notarized so he ( husband and I ) could take the grandkids to Bermuda in August. Son in law said where he worked there was a notary so he would get it done there. As soon as my husband left son in law called his wife ( my daughter) and said "so you are going on a cruise ! " Husband said mother ( my daughter)was NOT going with us.

That is nice but it doesn't really matter.

Husband and I went on a cruise last October and when we came home he told the grandkids that he was going to take them on a "big boat". At the time it was going to be everybody, Mom , dad, kids, grand parents ...but now that my daughter left son in law my husband still wants to take the kids.

he had NO RIGHT to promise the grandchildren a trip anywhere.

In the past we have all taken family trips , Disney World, Busch Gardens, Bahamas but now this year it will be different. Son in law and daughter have split.

Okay.

I don't have anything against the guy but from what I am hearing I will NOT tolerate abusing my kids no matter how old they are !

You said you were not going to be judgmental. Yet you seem to be by automatically concluding that he was abusing your daughter.

He was told he was welcome to bring the kids over swimming but he told my daughter he would feel "wierd" coming here without her. ( which he wants )

The Son in law wants to come to your place with out her?

Hope this clarifies some things.

Not really. Because you would need BOTH parents' permission to take the children out of the country without their parents.

Last year we were ALL going to go on a trip and hubby said he would pay for the passports. Hence when the passports came SIL and daughter asked "dad" to hold on to everyone's for safety.

And if the children's father requests their passports your husband better cough them up.

So far my daughter has a Protection from abuse since he gets violent at times. She went to court last week and was going to drop it but he started arguing so the judge said to keep it till next hearing July 3.

Okay. That is what the court order stated about it? Apparently your daughter doesn't believe in the abuse or she wouldn't have done the things she did.

She asked for the two youngest custody ( the oldest is 15) thinking he can decide for himself.

She is wrong about that.

Right now they alternate weekends and my daughter is very flexible about the kids being with him for now. Now he is in the house ( in daughter and my hubby's name) but he told her last night he was going to stop paying the bills.

His choice.

He has put her in debt , they consolodated , only for him to put them more in debt.

SHE is responsible for the debt that she is in. You NEED to understand that your daughter is an adult. She is responsible for her own credit.