what can i do?

[oioijulian]

What is the name of your state? California

So this is a long story of abuse from the administration towards me. ill give you the gist of it and if any other imformation is needed just ask and i will tell. 2 years ago i was tricked into going into the office by a security guard. He said " i think your mom is here to pick you up or something." So i went with him thinking nothing of it when i arrived in the office i was greated by a police officer and the vice principal. After they were basically interigating me but i was to scared to notice at first but after 30 mins i found out they were trying to blame everything that happened on me so i asked if i could call a parent, my mom, or someone else who could help me. They refused my request and then after search my jacket and continueing to yell at me and so on they let me call my mom and then eventually a family friend who was a cop. That was the first incident.

Second part of the story, today i was wearing a belt with fake bullets on it that were semi realistic. I went the entire day without even a word said, and i have worn said belt for about a year. Right as i am literally about to go to my car the security guard that i mentioned before says never wear that again, and i reply in a calm tone i have never heard of any rule not permitting this and he says, "follow me" then when i get outside its my friends the principal and the vice principal YAY!. So he says it is a hinderance to my school work and could be used as a weapon. i reply with "couldn't you say that about anything, and how come other people can wear belts like it yet i am the only one who gets in trouble." i am very calm the entire time and the conversation according to witnesses is like a bully pushing around a little kid. then after a crowd gather the administration kicks me off of campus for no reason whatso ever. They just say i have to leave and im not welcome there. it was a very odd conversation, like a 5 year old to 17 year old. I have no clue what i can do and any help would be great. anything would be nice at this point.

-julian

 

[BelizeBreeze]

What is the name of your state? California

So this is a long story of abuse from the administration towards me. ill give you the gist of it and if any other imformation is needed just ask and i will tell. 2 years ago i was tricked into going into the office by a security guard. He said " i think your mom is here to pick you up or something." So i went with him thinking nothing of it when i arrived in the office i was greated by a police officer and the vice principal. After they were basically interigating me but i was to scared to notice at first but after 30 mins i found out they were trying to blame everything that happened on me so i asked if i could call a parent, my mom, or someone else who could help me. They refused my request and then after search my jacket and continueing to yell at me and so on they let me call my mom and then eventually a family friend who was a cop. That was the first incident.

Second part of the story, today i was wearing a belt with fake bullets on it that were semi realistic. I went the entire day without even a word said, and i have worn said belt for about a year. Right as i am literally about to go to my car the security guard that i mentioned before says never wear that again, and i reply in a calm tone i have never heard of any rule not permitting this and he says, "follow me" then when i get outside its my friends the principal and the vice principal YAY!. So he says it is a hinderance to my school work and could be used as a weapon. i reply with "couldn't you say that about anything, and how come other people can wear belts like it yet i am the only one who gets in trouble." i am very calm the entire time and the conversation according to witnesses is like a bully pushing around a little kid. then after a crowd gather the administration kicks me off of campus for no reason whatso ever. They just say i have to leave and im not welcome there. it was a very odd conversation, like a 5 year old to 17 year old. I have no clue what i can do and any help would be great. anything would be nice at this point.

-julian

The answer to your problems is in your post.

I have no clue

Wearing the belt should have gotten you expelled from school. PERIOD.

As for the other incident, you did a great job of giving irrelevant and useless facts. Not one mention of what occurred or what the questioning was about.

so, what's the REAL story?

 

[oioijulian]

my girlfriend at the time at a pot brownie from a kid and offered to buy more. she wound up in hysterics by the end of the day. i wait with her in the offiice to her mom comes to pick her up. the next daya known drug dealer was called into the office and then after the office telling him i was there after school, he says i was the one who gave it to her. this imformation was given to me by the cop that later came in for me. they were going to expell me right off the bat. the questioning had to do with if i had given her drugs to life take advantage of her. i have no clue to this day of where they got that from.even after explaining my case and everything i was suspended for 2 days and my school record was basically tarnished because of it. i was in all Ap classes, and i am this year but the year after and closer to this all happening i was not allowed to, i was given no reason whatso ever.


thanks for the thing about the belt hearing it from someone elsemeans alot more to me than hearing it from people i dont have the slightest respect for.

 

[stealth2]

my girlfriend at the time at a pot brownie from a kid and offered to buy more. she wound up in hysterics by the end of the day. i wait with her in the offiice to her mom comes to pick her up. the next daya known drug dealer was called into the office and then after the office telling him i was there after school, he says i was the one who gave it to her. this imformation was given to me by the cop that later came in for me. they were going to expell me right off the bat. the questioning had to do with if i had given her drugs to life take advantage of her. i have no clue to this day of where they got that from.even after explaining my case and everything i was suspended for 2 days and my school record was basically tarnished because of it. i was in all Ap classes, and i am this year but the year after and closer to this all happening i was not allowed to, i was given no reason whatso ever.


thanks for the thing about the belt hearing it from someone elsemeans alot more to me than hearing it from people i dont have the slightest respect for.

I have a really hard time believing you're in all AP classes, dude.

 

[oioijulian]

whats so hard to believe. i went from a small private school and got into private school but decided to go into a public school so i wouldnt have a culture shock in college. well the thing i was trying to avoid happened. i got mixed up in the wrong crowd, but i go to a school where literally 90% of the people here have a drug problem and it is my fault and i am dealing with it, im just afraid of an administration that is supposed to be helping students but is hurting them instead. if you don't believe me that is okay, but why would i lie about something like that? seriously i have alot more things to worry about at this point and i came here looking for some help and if im not going to get any i will leave and that is that.

 

[Just Blue]

my girlfriend at the time at a pot brownie from a kid and offered to buy more. she wound up in hysterics by the end of the day. i wait with her in the offiice to her mom comes to pick her up. the next daya known drug dealer was called into the office and then after the office telling him i was there after school, he says i was the one who gave it to her. this imformation was given to me by the cop that later came in for me. they were going to expell me right off the bat. the questioning had to do with if i had given her drugs to life take advantage of her. i have no clue to this day of where they got that from.even after explaining my case and everything i was suspended for 2 days and my school record was basically tarnished because of it. i was in all Ap classes, and i am this year but the year after and closer to this all happening i was not allowed to, i was given no reason whatso ever.


thanks for the thing about the belt hearing it from someone elsemeans alot more to me than hearing it from people i dont have the slightest respect for.

The reason we doubt that you were in AP classes is that this post is filled with grammer and spelling errors....and have of it just doesn't make any sense..."The questioning had to do with if I had given her drugs to life take advantage of her"...WHAT does this mean???

 

[oioijulian]

Sorry about the confusion, and I will try to be better with my spelling and such. What I meant to say was that the questioning was about 1 if i had given the drugs to her, and 2 why? which they assumed was because I wanted to take advantage of her. Neither of which were remotely true, but rather made up by the actual person that gave them to her to save his own neck. He only got my name because the office had mentioned it to him. There was 3 sides of the story the first was the drug dealer, then my girlfriend at the time said he had and then didn’t say anything, and then mine which was I had nothing to do with it and shouldn't even be here. The punishment I received was 2-day suspension but I was not given a reason why. The girl did not get punished, and the guy was suspended for 5 days. I am now trying to get this just removed from my record, there is a clause in the rulebook that says upon request we may try to have information removed from the record. I don’t have the handbook with me but I will get it as soon as possible.

 

[futurern802]

I believe you, the people here do not try to help

I don't understand why everyone who responds to questions here, has to be so judgemental and downright rude. As far as the way the story was told, it was told from a highschool student's point of view, with common language used by teens today. Just because someone uses slang does not mean they could not be in AP classes, that is ridiculous. It seems to me this kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and since the suspension was given with no stated reason, should be removed from the record, as it could effect any chances of getting into good collage. I know you have the right to view your file, and also, if no reason is given for the suspension in your file, you should be able to have it removed. At the very least, you can write a statement of your version of the facts, and insist that be included in your file. I hope you are able to get this cleared up, and I am sorry you have to deal with all these rude, arrogent,ignorant, self rightous people, who have nothing better to do than pass judgement on people they know nothing about. Peace.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

I don't understand why everyone who responds to questions here, has to be so judgemental and downright rude. As far as the way the story was told, it was told from a highschool student's point of view, with common language used by teens today. Just because someone uses slang does not mean they could not be in AP classes, that is ridiculous. It seems to me this kid was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and since the suspension was given with no stated reason, should be removed from the record, as it could effect any chances of getting into good collage. I know you have the right to view your file, and also, if no reason is given for the suspension in your file, you should be able to have it removed. At the very least, you can write a statement of your version of the facts, and insist that be included in your file. I hope you are able to get this cleared up, and I am sorry you have to deal with all these rude, arrogent,ignorant, self rightous people, who have nothing better to do than pass judgement on people they know nothing about. Peace.

And nothing in your post remotely resembles the CORRECT legal answer.

which is, if this happened on school grounds there' s NOTHING short of a civil suit for damange to be done and that would entail proving that the school accussed the poster wrongfully, KNEW he was wrongfully accused and proceeded recklessly with that knowledge.

Now, have any further irrelevant remarks?

 

[futurern802]

Where did you get your license to practice law?

And nothing in your post remotely resembles the CORRECT legal answer.

which is, if this happened on school grounds there' s NOTHING short of a civil suit for damange to be done and that would entail proving that the school accussed the poster wrongfully, KNEW he was wrongfully accused and proceeded recklessly with that knowledge.

Now, have any further irrelevant remarks?

You are the one who doesn't know what they are talking about. Refer to Calif. Education Code section 49069(if you can read) and section 48900-48927, none of this info is irrelevant to the kids question and supports my answer to him. I suggest you review the law before you tell someone else they are giving incorrect info.Why is it that people answering these questions are so nasty and unhelpful in most cases, that is what I would like to know.

 

[oioijulian]

So I finally got the handbook and here is what is says
26 inspection of records E.C49069 parents have the right to inspect and review the students education records within 5 days ofthe day the school receives a written request that identifies the record they wish to inspect
27 request to amend the students education record E.C. 49070 following inspection and review of a pupils records, the parent or eligible student may file a request to remove any imformation which the parent alleges to be inaccurate, misleading, or inappropriate. If the school decides not to amend the record as requested by the parent, the school will notify the parent of the decicion and advise them of their right to a hearing regarding the request for the amendment
28 hearing of request to amend student educational record E.C 49071 a district superintendent or governing board may convene a hearing panel to analyze the parental request for the amendment of pupil related information provided that the parent has given written consent for realease of said imformation

So i realize that dealing with a school is like dealing with the court system and like i said before the principal hates me, so. I am going to write them a letter, im not asking you to do it, but what should i say as to not offend or anger the principal so it actually has a chance to be amended? I've never been good with dealing with people in power so what way should i tell my story to A. make him sympathetic or B not angry and change it over because he has alot of other things to deal with.

In worst case possible what can i do if neither decides to amend it? or is it game over and there is nothing i can do?

 

[BelizeBreeze]

If neither body elects to amend your record then you can sue in district court. However, to win there you will need much more than you've provided here.

Simply telling your side of the story is not enough. You need proof that you were not involved in the incident and the school acted recklessly in providing the account of your record.

None of that is present in the facts you presented here.

 

[notsmartmark]

Here is the FERPA rules on amending student records. There is a lot of info on the web regarding FERPA

Subpart C—What Are the Procedures for Amending Education Records?
§ 99.20 How can a parent or eligible student request amendment of the student’s education records?
(a) If a parent or eligible student believes the education records relating to the student contain information that is inaccurate, misleading, or in violation of the student’s rights of privacy, he or she may ask the educational agency or institution to amend the record.
(b) The educational agency or institution shall decide whether to amend the record as requested within a reasonable time after the agency or institution receives the request.
(c) If the educational agency or institution decides not to amend the record as requested, it shall inform the parent or eligible student of its decision and of his or her right to a hearing under § 99.21.
(Authority: 20 U.S.C 1232g(a)(2))
§ 99.21 Under what conditions does a parent or eligible student have the right to a hearing?
(a) An educational agency or institution shall give a parent or eligible student, on request, an opportunity for a hearing to challenge the content of the student’s education records on the grounds that the information contained in the education records is inaccurate, misleading, or in violation of the privacy rights of the student.
(b) (1) If, as a result of the hearing, the educational agency or institution decides that the information is inaccurate, misleading, or otherwise in violation of the privacy rights of the student, it shall:
(i) Amend the record accordingly; and
(ii) Inform the parent or eligible student of the amendment in writing.
(2) If, as a result of the hearing, the educational agency or institution decides that the information in the education record is not inaccurate, misleading, or otherwise in violation of the privacy rights of the student, it shall inform the parent or eligible student of the right to place a statement in the record commenting on the contested information in the record or stating why he or she disagrees with the decision of the agency or institution, or both.
(c) If an educational agency or institution places a statement in the education records of a student under paragraph (b)(2) of this section, the agency or institution shall:
(1) Maintain the statement with the contested part of the record for as long as the record is maintained; and
(2) Disclose the statement whenever it discloses the portion of the record to which the statement relates.
(Authority: 20 U.S.C 1232g(a)(2))
§ 99.22 What minimum requirements exist for the conduct of a hearing?
The hearing required by § 99.21 must meet, at a minimum, the following requirements:
(a) The educational agency or institution shall hold the hearing within a reasonable time after it has received the request for the hearing from the parent or eligible student.
(b) The educational agency or institution shall give the parent or eligible student notice of the date, time, and place, reasonably in advance of the hearing.
(c) The hearing may be conducted by any individual, including an official of the educational agency or institution, who does not have a direct interest in the outcome of the hearing.
(d) The educational agency or institution shall give the parent or eligible student a full and fair opportunity to present evidence relevant to the issues raised under § 99.21. The parent or eligible student may, at their own expense, be assisted or represented by one or more individuals of his or her own choice, including an attorney.
(e) The educational agency or institution shall make its decision in writing within a reasonable period of time after the hearing.
(f) The decision must be based solely on the evidence presented at the hearing, and must include a summary of the evidence and the reasons for the decision.
(Authority: 20 U.S.C 1232g(a)(2))

 

[oioijulian]

So i am going to need to prove i had no involvement. of the two students involved, the girl now goes to a school for basically kids who are not cut out for high school, i cant think of the exact term they use. The guy involved now goes to a different school so i don't know if i would be able to get their statements or anything of that nature.

Would witnesses be enough or would i need more? I have 3 or 4 people who were involved in the situation but never called into the office willing to testify or make a statement to my claim, other than that what else could I get?

 

[futurern802]

Finally Some Useful Responses

I'm glad to see that people have actually given some useful information here. I would think if you had 4 people who could attest to your innocence in this matter, that would certainly help. I would also inquire about what evidence was used to give the principal the beleif that you were involved. If it was only the word of the student you say was responsible for the incident to begin with, there is bound to be a history of misconduct. I would write to the principal, and convey to him, as respectfully as possible, that you feel you have been wrongly accussed, the reasons why you feel that way, and that you know, because of his outstanding character(or something to that effect), that he would want no less, than to re-examine the situation, to be completely sure, that an innocent person was not being wrongly accussed. Tell him that you would welcome a re-investigation into this matter, and that you have independant wittnesses, that were not involved initially.Let him know that you respect his judgement and his integrity, and that you look forward to meeting with him to discuss this matter further.I would try that route before asking for a hearing or a review of your file, which could take on an adversarial tone, and cause him to become more defensive and unwilling to help. If that doesn't work, I would definately ask for the hearing, and ask around, about which continuation school, your ex girlfriend is attending. Ther is bound to be someone who knows, or you may even be able to get the principal to locate her, but do so only if she will back up what you are saying. If she won't, I would not pursue that angle. The guy who made the initial accusation, will do you no good, as he is obviously a snitch, out to save his own skin, without regard for anyone else. My Dad always says "you can get alot farther with honey, than with vinager". I would try that approach first. Take it easy, I hope you get this cleared up.Lori