Questions about basic inmate rights/privilages

[Ladyback1]

again this is off subject; but i would also like to add that a great number of prisoners are there because of victimless crimes as well as non violent offenses. For anyone else who thinks they are immune to the legal system and praises it for always torturing the right criminals; allow me to recommend this book

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229

can you provide a specific example of a "victimless" crime?

 

[davew128]

can you provide a specific example of a "victimless" crime?

Incest between two consenting adults or those other competent consenting adults who might still be charged with sodomy laws.

 

[justalayman]

this is completely off the subject; but do honestly think all that is keeping murders, thieves and violence off the streets is the fear or the legal system? the last time i checked, jails have a 95% return rate. .

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/Quickfacts.html

Florida’s recidivism rate has dropped to 27.6%, which means almost one of every three inmates released from a Florida prison returns to prison in Florida within three years. (This does not include the number of inmates who return to county jails, federal prisons or prisons in other states.)

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4986

Among state prisoners released in 30 states in 2005—

About two-thirds (67.8%) of released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within 3 years, and three-quarters (76.6%) were arrested within 5 years.

while still a huge number, it is considerably less than 95%.

https://www.facebook.com/floridasheriffsassociation/posts/380831208660116

The recidivism rate for the jail's general population is 33 percent, but that falls to 15 percent for program graduates and 7 percent for culinary program graduates who find jobs more easily when they leave the jail.

It is difficult finding recidivism rates for jails in general but based on the prison stats and that one facebook page regarding St. Lucie county it would seem Florida enjoys a much lower recidivism rate than the national average.

 

[CivilianKano]

can you provide a specific example of a "victimless" crime?

Prostitution, drug use/sales, consensual sex between adults, excessive speeding, jay walking, gambling, seat belt/helmet laws, tax evasion etc

 

[CivilianKano]

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/Quickfacts.html



http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4986

Among state prisoners released in 30 states in 2005—

About two-thirds (67.8%) of released prisoners were arrested for a new crime within 3 years, and three-quarters (76.6%) were arrested within 5 years.

while still a huge number, it is considerably less than 95%.

https://www.facebook.com/floridasheriffsassociation/posts/380831208660116


It is difficult finding recidivism rates for jails in general but based on the prison stats and that one facebook page regarding St. Lucie county it would seem Florida enjoys a much lower recidivism rate than the national average.

thank you for those factual numbers, a friend of mine that works for the DOC told me that 95% number; i assume he was making the point that he is on first name basis with most returning inmates. Those numbers you shared are equally disturbing.

 

[justalayman]

Prostitution, drug use/sales, consensual sex between adults, excessive speeding, jay walking, gambling, seat belt/helmet laws, tax evasion etc

while some of those are considered to be victimless crimes, realize that the definition of a victimless crime is one that does not violate or threaten the rights of any other individual.

most of those crimes do have secondary victims though and the public at large is that victim. No helmets means more vegetables in the garden that I pay to feed and water. Same thing with seatbelts plus how many children lose parents because of no seatbelt? Tax evasion; that costs everybody so I am the victim of every tax fraud.

speeding; not what I see as victimless since it endangers everybody around them on the road.

 

[john legality]

while some of those are considered to be victimless crimes, realize that the definition of a victimless crime is one that does not violate or threaten the rights of any other individual.

most of those crimes do have secondary victims though and the public at large is that victim. No helmets means more vegetables in the garden that I pay to feed and water. Same thing with seatbelts plus how many children lose parents because of no seatbelt? Tax evasion; that costs everybody so I am the victim of every tax fraud.

speeding; not what I see as victimless since it endangers everybody around them on the road.

I had a long post with a list of crimes but it was deleted. There are a tremendous amount of purely victimless crimes, although I guess anyone prosecuted under one of those crimes is a victim of an oppressive government, so to correct myself there are no victimless crimes, unless they are not prosecuted.