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CdwJava

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A little off the mark???
That's not a little off the mark, that's just plain dead wrong.

That's wrong too. I'll take that bet. I'm not trying to be contentious here, but issues as important as this can't afford to ignore misinformation.
Actually, Perverted Justice DOES often work with law enforcement. While they are not an arm of the government, they often bring information to local and federal authorities, and their volunteers have worked and continued inquiries at the behest of these agencies (usually when they have a chickenhawk on the hook and the authorities need the original "investigator" to reel him in).

- Carl
 


Just Blue

Senior Member
So, to protect the children you want to deny pedophiles the right to seek help. How does that protect the children?
This guy needs to seek help form a mental health professional, not from a legal forum. Nothing in his post suggest anyone did anything illegal. On another site he accused me of posting his info on the net! This guy believes googling a user name is an invasion of privacy...:rolleyes:
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
Forum members, please read, and afterward, ask yourselves,
is this want we want in our society.
http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/news.apx.-content-articles-CMH-2007-08-16-0027.html
There is a special place in Hell for SOBs like this guy in the article ... these cases are the toughest to work, and the images that we see when looking into these haunt you forever.

You'll note in the picture that the suspect appears to have been knocked around ... I suspect that he ran afoul of his fellow inmates - even hardened criminals hate baby rapers.

- Carl
 

Not My 2 Kids

Junior Member
Actually, Perverted Justice DOES often work with law enforcement.
Okay. I'm going to say this one more time. Yes, Perverted Justice does work with law enforcement. Absolutely, inarguably, true. But Perverted Justice IS NOT a law enforcement agency. I really don't know how much more clearly I can state my position.

And as long as we're on the subject: anyone reading this might as well start praying now that you never get tangled up in PJ's web. You'd be scared to death to realize how easily you could be branded a sexual predator, and that's some dirt that doesn't wash off very easily.

Is it worth it if one innocent person is sacrificed so that 200 pedophiles are put away? Actually, I have to admit that maybe it is. But I would sure hate to be that one person.
 

Ozark_Sophist

Senior Member
This guy believes googling a user name is an invasion of privacy...:rolleyes:
That is not what he said. He said hacked. I took it at face value. I said IF he was hacked, it was a crime. People like the OP need help, not immediate condemnation. In a PM, I recommended mental health intervention. Mental health professionals in his area are most likely aware of support groups intended to help the OP address his inappropriate desires.

I strongly believe in protecting children. My wife and I both watch "To catch a predator" and support the concept and actions.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
That is not what he said. He said hacked. I took it at face value. I said IF he was hacked, it was a crime. People like the OP need help, not immediate condemnation. In a PM, I recommended mental health intervention. Mental health professionals in his area are most likely aware of support groups intended to help the OP address his inappropriate desires.

I strongly believe in protecting children. My wife and I both watch "To catch a predator" and support the concept and actions.
As I said...On another site:

http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29198

Today, 05:57 AM
Xthat90skidX
Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5

Re: Personal Information Posted By Perverted Justice

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Maybe he googled me, but this is still an invasion of privacy. If I was a registered sex offender that would be one thing, but I'm not.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
Okay. I'm going to say this one more time. Yes, Perverted Justice does work with law enforcement. Absolutely, inarguably, true. But Perverted Justice IS NOT a law enforcement agency. I really don't know how much more clearly I can state my position.
That may be what you meant, but that is not what was written:

Shay: My FBI remark may have been a little off base, but you know what? They work with law inforcement and I will bet you the FBI does have some doing in this.

You: That's wrong too. I'll take that bet. I'm not trying to be contentious here, but issues as important as this can't afford to ignore misinformation.

That would imply that you are arguing that PJ does NOT work with the FBI and that the FBI does NOT have agents dedicated to catching internet pedophiles. The answer to both is that "they do".

I am glad that you clarified your position in a later post, but that was not what THIS post inferred.

- Carl
 

Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
Okay. I'm going to say this one more time. Yes, Perverted Justice does work with law enforcement. Absolutely, inarguably, true. But Perverted Justice IS NOT a law enforcement agency. I really don't know how much more clearly I can state my position.
No one on this thread stated that PJ was law inforcement, so your position is lacking.


[And as long as we're on the subject: anyone reading this might as well start praying now that you never get tangled up in PJ's web.
And why would we be tangled up in their web?

it worth it if one innocent person is sacrificed so that 200 pedophiles are put away? Actually, I have to admit that maybe it is. But I would sure hate to be that one person. Don't talk sex with kids on your computer and you won't be that person.
 
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CdwJava

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Shay, in mom's defense, I suspect Not my 2 Kids was inferring that even innocuous behavior could get someone caught in the web of PJ and sites similar to it. This can happen, particularly if a person has a computer that the entire family - and maybe even friends - use, or if you have a wireless network with inadequate security protocols. There are nefarious things that can jump you to kiddie porn sites, and there are ways to accidentally and innocently link or receive links to such sites simply because so much crap is out there pointing to this bile.

I would HOPE that Not my 2 Kids was not inferring she condones chatting with minors about sex ... I will presume that is NOT her point.

- Carl
 

Not My 2 Kids

Junior Member
Carl, it is exactly what I inferred if you understand that I believe her remark that "the FBI does have some doing in this" demonstrated a belief on her part that PJ, while not overtly connected to the FBI in an official capacity, is in some way a "part" of the FBI. She can't prove that's not what she meant, I can't prove that is what she meant, I can only say that I have no doubt that's what she meant, which is why I made the comment.

Now...

No one on this thread stated that PJ was law inforcement, so your position is lacking
No one on this thread stated that PJ was law enforcement? You sure you want to stick with that? Well, okay. Because yeah, somebody did. In fact, it was you. Pretty blatently, too. It's kind of hard to misunderstand "Perverted justice is run by the one of the FBI departments." Typo, maybe?

And then, of course, you go on to ask how in the world any of you could be "tangled in PJ's web", you certainly could never be, all you have to do is not have cybersex with children, etc. Oh, and that I'm disgusting. Well let me tell you about something that's really disgusting.

PJ got my attention years ago. I applauded their efforts, defended them, supported them, and watched as they shined the bright light of day on people who shouldn't even be allowed to call themselves human.

The people who actually participate in "capturing" these people online are really only a few trusted members of the web site. But they would glean all the personal information they could about these people, and then post that info on the web site and then the hunt was on. The game was to take that info and try to find out exactly who this person was, where he worked, where he lived, who his family was, etc. Once that was discovered--and it was amazing to see how easily people could stick a pin in someone with not much more than their IP--he got hit like a ton of bricks. Phone calls to his house, his cell, his workplace, flyers plastered all over the neighborhood. Some people made it clear that not only did they know where this guy lived, they had stood right in front of his house. No problem, a sicko like that deserves it, right? Right.

But you know who doesn't deserve it? The guy who works at a company that might be where the pedo works, who sort of looks like the pedo's picture. Or the guy who lives at the apartment where the pedo used to live. Or the little kid who answers the phone to hear "Your father is a sick ****!!! We're gonna find him and kick his ***!!" because somebody made a typo and, ooops, that's not his number. And about a dozen other different "mistake" scenarios.

Granted, the administrators at PJ don't do anything until they're absolutely sure they have the right guy. But what about Joe Schmoe who just joined the site five minutes ago and decides to get a little street justice on his own, but didn't read as far as "Nope, that's not the guy."

That could be your husband, Shay. Easy. Waaaaay too easy.

That, Carl, was my point. And thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

Pedophiles deserve everything they get, and if they get something that's not quite within the scope of "due process" well, I'm not going to shed any tears. But innocent people who are at the mercy of thugs working within a mob mentality? God help them.

Believe it, don't believe it, be defensive, or offensive, or whatever. I have nothing further to add.
 
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Just Blue

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So, before anyone posts a response on this forum, one must first search the internet to determine the validity of the original post. :rolleyes:
Where did I say that? Where did I imply that? I was simply suppling information that I had to allow EVERYONE that is reading this thread to better understand the OP's attitude.
 
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SHORTY LONG

Senior Member
You like that one..How about this?? If you want to vomit after reading this fing PERVERTS quotes please feel free....I got this from another site..

I am calling his employer in the AM to let them know he is scooping 5 years old girls at work!!

http://www.corporatesexoffenders.com/wiki/DarkIntellect
NO, Bay I do not at all like! Unbelievable that this really happens in our life today.
I am glad you will contact whomever to report that sicko.


Take a look at this, though not as disgusting as what you shared!

Police Charge Man With Pandering Child Porn
Aug 17 2007 11:47PM

UPPER ARLINGTON, Ohio - Authorities said they have caught a man responsible for distributing large amounts of child pornography.

The Upper Arlington Police Department characterized Gary Ramsdell as one of the top 10 child pornography distributors in the state of Ohio in terms of the amount made available over the Internet. One of the departments Internet investigators said he found Ramsdells Internet provider address linked to child pornography.

Detectives sought charges against Ramsdell based on discovery of 50 videos they think Ramsdell made available for downloading over the Internet. They believed at 353 downloads have taken place.

Investigators were examining a computer belonging to Ramsdell and several DVDs taken with a search warrant. Authorities were trying to determine if any images involve central Ohio children.

"The harm is that these kids continue to be victimized every time a photo or an image of one of these children is observed by one of these (people.) Its just another victimization of that child," Detective Jim Hamilton said.

Ramsdell has been charged with two counts of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor.

http://www.10tv.com/?story=sites/10tv/content/pool/200708/1275974912.html
 
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