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mommyof4

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well I just spoke with a family attorney here in NC.
and he advised me that I do have a leg to stand on
if fraud was involved before the adoption.
My Birth Mother did not tell biological father she was
pregnant AND she knew who the father was. Therefore
she defrauded the adoption agency by lying to them
that she didn't know. According to the law, an adoption
cannot occur legally unless BOTH mother and father
agree to it. Since he was the father and was never notified
then fraud occurred and the adoption was not legal cuz
he didn't have a say-so. If the adoption was not legal,
therefore ************** I have a claim.

Ahem...not to rain on your victory parade, but.....

IF you had any claim on the basis of fraud, the person who would be held liable for such fraud would be the woman who gave birth to you....NOT the man who was defrauded.:cool:

HE OWES YOU NOTHING. Further, the SOL for establishing paternity has run out in NC. :rolleyes:
GS_49-14
§ 49‑14. Civil action to establish paternity.

(a) The paternity of a child born out of wedlock may be established by civil action at any time prior to such child's eighteenth birthday. A copy of a certificate of birth of the child shall be attached to the complaint. The establishment of paternity shall not have the effect of legitimation. The social security numbers, if known, of the minor child's parents shall be placed in the record of the proceeding.

(b) Proof of paternity pursuant to this section shall be by clear, cogent, and convincing evidence.

(c) No such action shall be commenced nor judgment entered after the death of the putative father, unless the action is commenced either:

(1) Prior to the death of the putative father;

(2) Within one year after the date of death of the putative father, if a proceeding for administration of the estate of the putative father has not been commenced within one year of his death; or

(3) Within the period specified in G.S. 28A‑19‑3(a) for presentation of claims against an estate, if a proceeding for administration of the estate of the putative father has been commenced within one year of his death.

Any judgment under this subsection establishing a decedent to be the father of a child shall be entered nunc pro tunc to the day preceding the date of death of the father.

(d) If the action to establish paternity is brought more than three years after birth of a child or is brought after the death of the putative father, paternity shall not be established in a contested case without evidence from a blood or genetic marker test.

(e) Either party to an action to establish paternity may request that the case be tried at the first session of the court after the case is docketed, but the presiding judge, in his discretion, may first try any pending case in which the rights of the parties or the public demand it.

(f) When a determination of paternity is pending in a IV‑D case, the court shall enter a temporary order for child support upon motion and showing of clear, cogent, and convincing evidence of paternity. For purposes of this subsection, the results of blood or genetic tests shall constitute clear, cogent, and convincing evidence of paternity if the tests show that the probability of the alleged parent's parentage is ninety‑seven percent (97%) or higher. If paternity is not thereafter established, then the putative father shall be reimbursed the full amount of temporary support paid under the order.

(g) Invoices for services rendered for pregnancy, childbirth, and blood or genetic testing are admissible as evidence without requiring third party foundation testimony and shall constitute prima facie evidence of the amounts incurred for the services or for testing on behalf of the child. (1967, c. 993, s. 1; 1973, c. 1062, s. 3; 1977, c. 83, s. 2; 1981, c. 599, s. 14; 1985, c. 208, ss. 1, 2; 1993, c. 333, s. 3; 1995, c. 424, ss. 1, 2; 1997‑154, s. 1; 1997‑433, ss. 4.2, 4.10; 1998‑17, s. 1; 2005‑389, s. 3.)


Buddy, if you want to line the atty's pockets, go ahead. Just know....that's ALL you will be doing.
 


confused_hound

Junior Member
(out of interest, how exactly would you prove what Mom did or did not know?)
well if paternity test comes back positive
and he didn't know and was never told til I told him 6 yrs ago
and the agency didn't know
and she told me in person and 3 other witnesses she didn't tell him
I think that's purdy good proof
 

Isis1

Senior Member
well I just spoke with a family attorney here in NC.
and he advised me that I do have a leg to stand on
if fraud was involved before the adoption.
My Birth Mother did not tell biological father she was
pregnant AND she knew who the father was. Therefore
she defrauded the adoption agency by lying to them
that she didn't know. According to the law, an adoption
cannot occur legally unless BOTH mother and father
agree to it. Since he was the father and was never notified
then fraud occurred and the adoption was not legal cuz
he didn't have a say-so. If the adoption was not legal,
therefore ************** I have a claim.
omg. your biological father has the right to claim fraud on the adoption YOU don't. even if i live to win the lotto, none of my 4 children have a right to that money. i can leave all of it with my dog. if dad doesn't want to give it to you, he doesn't have to. not one red penny. just because you are struggling in life, doesn't mean you get to have revenge.
 

>Charlotte<

Lurker
well if paternity test comes back positive
and he didn't know and was never told til I told him 6 yrs ago
and the agency didn't know
and she told me in person and 3 other witnesses she didn't tell him
I think that's purdy good proof
You know what? Fine. Nobody on this site represents you or can tell you what to do or what not to do. They can only tell you, from experience or education, how applicable laws apply to your situation. If you're dead set on suing this guy and don't want to believe anybody here, go for it.

Make sure you come back in a week and tell us how you sued him, served him, won your pile of money, and bought one of those pink condos down on the South End.

Gawd, I'm getting so sick of people asking for advice and then throwing it back in everyone's face when they don't hear what they want to. If you're not going to believe anybody, WHY ASK????
 

mommyof4

Senior Member
the SOL only applies when exceptions are not encountered.
fraud makes it an exception

Not in your case, it doesn't.

Go ahead...tell us again what that atty told you. Oh, and be sure he knows what the law was 46 years ago. Times change, buddy. But even if this had happened yesterday, check this out.


Part 6. Consent to Adoption.

§ 48‑3‑601. Persons whose consent to adoption is required.

Unless consent is not required under G.S. 48‑3‑603, a petition to adopt a minor may be granted only if consent to the adoption has been executed by:

(1) The minor to be adopted if 12 or more years of age;

(2) In a direct placement, by:

a. The mother of the minor;

b. Any man who may or may not be the biological father of the minor but who:

1. Is or was married to the mother of the minor if the minor was born during the marriage or within 280 days after the marriage is terminated or the parties have separated pursuant to a written separation agreement or an order of separation entered under Chapters 50 or 50B of the General Statutes or a similar order of separation entered by a court in another jurisdiction;

2. Attempted to marry the mother of the minor before the minor's birth, by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid, and the minor is born during the attempted marriage, or within 280 days after the attempted marriage is terminated by annulment, declaration of invalidity, divorce, or, in the absence of a judicial proceeding, by the cessation of cohabitation;

3. Before the filing of the petition, has legitimated the minor under the law of any state;

4. Before the earlier of the filing of the petition or the date of a hearing under G.S. 48‑2‑206, has acknowledged his paternity of the minor and

I. Is obligated to support the minor under written agreement or by court order;

II. Has provided, in accordance with his financial means, reasonable and consistent payments for the support of the biological mother during or after the term of pregnancy, or the support of the minor, or both, which may include the payment of medical expenses, living expenses, or other tangible means of support, and has regularly visited or communicated, or attempted to visit or communicate with the biological mother during or after the term of pregnancy, or with the minor, or with both; or

III. After the minor's birth but before the minor's placement for adoption or the mother's relinquishment, has married or attempted to marry the mother of the minor by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid; or

5. Before the filing of the petition, has received the minor into his home and openly held out the minor as his biological child; or

6. Is the adoptive father of the minor; and

c. A guardian of the minor; and

(3) In an agency placement by:

a. The agency that placed the minor for adoption; and

b. Each individual described in subdivision (2) of this section who has not relinquished the minor pursuant to Part 7 of Article 3 of this Chapter. (1949, c. 300; 1953, c. 906; 1957, c. 90; c. 778, ss. 3‑5; 1961, c. 186; 1969, c. 534, s.1; c. 911, ss. 6, 7; c. 982; 1971, c. 1093, s. 13; c. 1185, s. 17; 1973, c. 1354, s. 5; 1975, c. 321, s. 1; c. 702, ss. 1‑3; c. 714; 1977, c. 879, ss. 2, 3, 5; 1979, c. 107, s. 7; 2nd Sess., c. 1088, s. 1; 1983, cc. 30, 292; c. 454, ss. 2, 6; 1985, c. 758, ss. 5‑11; 1987, c. 371, s. 1; 1995, c. 457, s. 2; 1997‑215, s. 16.)
So, does any of that describe this man? Didn't think so. After all, YOU are the one that stated that he was already married AND he didn't even know about you.

And exactly how was the adoption handled? Through an agency? If so, try again.....
§ 48‑3‑206. Affidavit of parentage.

(a) To assist the court in determining that a direct placement was valid and all necessary consents have been obtained, the parent or guardian who placed the minor shall execute an affidavit setting out names, last known addresses, and marital status of the minor's parents or possible parents. If the placing parent or guardian is unavailable to execute the affidavit, the affidavit may be prepared by a knowledgeable individual who shall sign the affidavit and indicate the source of the individual's knowledge.

(b) In an agency placement, the agency shall obtain from at least one individual who relinquishes a minor to the agency an affidavit setting out the information required in subsection (a) of this section. This affidavit is not necessary when the agency acquires legal and physical custody of a minor for purposes of adoptive placement by a court order terminating the parental rights of a parent or guardian. (1949, c. 300; 1977, c. 879, s. 6; 1983, c. 454, s. 6; 1995, c. 457, s. 2; 2001‑208, s. 14; 2001‑487, s. 101.)
And again, I remind you, that YOUR adoption took place 46 years ago. Things were hella different then. You got nada.
 

ariastar

Member
well I just spoke with a family attorney here in NC.
and he advised me that I do have a leg to stand on
if fraud was involved before the adoption.
My Birth Mother did not tell biological father she was
pregnant AND she knew who the father was. Therefore
she defrauded the adoption agency by lying to them
that she didn't know. According to the law, an adoption
cannot occur legally unless BOTH mother and father
agree to it. Since he was the father and was never notified
then fraud occurred and the adoption was not legal cuz
he didn't have a say-so. If the adoption was not legal,
therefore ************** I have a claim.
If there was ever any claim here, it would have been your alleged birth father against your birth mother. YOU have no claim against your alleged birth father. He hasn't wronged you. If he IS your biological father, then your birth mother wronged him and you.

The statute of limitations for a child who's been molested to see any punishment for the molester is a handful of years. The statue of limitations for a "child" who was adopted out without his biological father's consent isn't going to be almost five decades.

Even if you hadn't been adopted, your alleged biological father, if proven to be your father, would still only have been on the hook for basic child support to your mother. You still wouldn't have any claim to his money. But your birth mother didn't raise you and have the expenses of raising you.
 
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Isis1

Senior Member
You know what? Fine. Nobody on this site represents you or can tell you what to do or what not to do. They can only tell you, from experience or education, how applicable laws apply to your situation. If you're dead set on suing this guy and don't want to believe anybody here, go for it.

Make sure you come back in a week and tell us how you sued him, served him, won your pile of money, and bought one of those pink condos down on the South End.

Gawd, I'm getting so sick of people asking for advice and then throwing it back in everyone's face when they don't hear what they want to. If you're not going to believe anybody, WHY ASK????
no no no. two days. i give him two days.

seriously? pink condos? :eek: i want one!!
 

confused_hound

Junior Member
IF you had any claim on the basis of fraud, the person who would be held liable for such fraud would be the woman who gave birth to you....NOT the man who was defrauded.
argument for fraud would only be used to nullify the adoption
and would not be prosecuted. Once the adoption gets nullified
that opens up a whole new arena. And the adoption did not
occur in NC, it was in Alabama.

Sorry folks, I'm just playing devil's advocate for an
afternoon :)

but my story is real
 

mommyof4

Senior Member
You know what? Fine. Nobody on this site represents you or can tell you what to do or what not to do. They can only tell you, from experience or education, how applicable laws apply to your situation. If you're dead set on suing this guy and don't want to believe anybody here, go for it.

Make sure you come back in a week and tell us how you sued him, served him, won your pile of money, and bought one of those pink condos down on the South End.

Gawd, I'm getting so sick of people asking for advice and then throwing it back in everyone's face when they don't hear what they want to. If you're not going to believe anybody, WHY ASK????

No, no, no....he's moving to Ballantyne.:cool:
 

mommyof4

Senior Member
argument for fraud would only be used to nullify the adoption
and would not be prosecuted. Once the adoption gets nullified
that opens up a whole new arena. And the adoption did not
occur in NC, it was in Alabama.

Sorry folks, I'm just playing devil's advocate for an
afternoon :)

but my story is real
SOL to overturn adoption has run out. You are dead wrong in both states.

The devil has recalled all of his advocates due to their continuous habit of not being able to win an argument when presented with facts. Didn't you get the memo?
 

>Charlotte<

Lurker
No, no, no....he's moving to Ballantyne
Ballantyne is so last year. :p

Seriously, Issy, a big condo building with huge pink windows down in the trendy part of town, with a pancake restaurant on the bottom floor. Two apartments to a floor, no walls (except the bathroom, surely). One of those "warehouse" type "spaces" that yuppies love. Half a mil. At least.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Parents don't owe their children a dime. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Nil. A parent can pick and choose WHICH child they want to favour. You have NOTHING.
 
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