Extremely Unique Situation

[stepconcern]

Thanks

First I want to say thank you. The post has allowed my to come full circle. What is difficult is when this first happened I told my husband he will never be allowed back in our home. However, after months of being told he will be ok to come home I became immune to the severity. So thank you for reminding me and bringing it back to the front burner. I agree he shouldn't be living in my home or her home. SO the next question WHAT can my husband do to make sure that happens. How do we get CASA/GAL for the children especially the victim. Like I said our case worker is clueless.

There is one other piece of information that I remembered when discussing this today with a friend. I don't know if there is anything my husband can do with this information, so again we need guidance.

Between the time of arraignment and the hearing his mother gave my some extremely disturbing information. She had been speaking with her other son asking if anything had ever happened before. Her son (the victim) told her that his brother had pulled his pants down and asked him to perform "you know what". She told me that she wasn't going to report this to anyone because she didn't want her oldest son to get in any more trouble. I asked my stepson about it and he admitted it, but never told anyone else. Is there anyone that we should give this info to?

This thread has make me realize that his mother is keeping this info quiet which means neither the victim or the offender is recieving help for it.

So....if we don't want him back in our home and we don't think he should be around any children what do we do?

Thank you!

 

[Hisbabygirl77]

First I want to say thank you. The post has allowed my to come full circle. What is difficult is when this first happened I told my husband he will never be allowed back in our home. However, after months of being told he will be ok to come home I became immune to the severity. So thank you for reminding me and bringing it back to the front burner. I agree he shouldn't be living in my home or her home. SO the next question WHAT can my husband do to make sure that happens. How do we get CASA/GAL for the children especially the victim. Like I said our case worker is clueless.

There is one other piece of information that I remembered when discussing this today with a friend. I don't know if there is anything my husband can do with this information, so again we need guidance.

Between the time of arraignment and the hearing his mother gave my some extremely disturbing information. She had been speaking with her other son asking if anything had ever happened before. Her son (the victim) told her that his brother had pulled his pants down and asked him to perform "you know what". She told me that she wasn't going to report this to anyone because she didn't want her oldest son to get in any more trouble. I asked my stepson about it and he admitted it, but never told anyone else. Is there anyone that we should give this info to?

This thread has make me realize that his mother is keeping this info quiet which means neither the victim or the offender is recieving help for it.

So....if we don't want him back in our home and we don't think he should be around any children what do we do?

Thank you!

First step is give OG the information she requested.

 

[birdbrain53]

A colleague of mine is sitting here and she does criminal law as well as juvenile.

Conversing with her on this, she is shocked. The PSI is done only PRE SENTENCING -- hence why it is called a pre sentencing investigation conducted by a probation officer for the purposes of determining whether community control is appropriate -- and it will NOT be done again. Therefore, the probation officer's only concern is whether the perpetrator is at risk for reoffending in any manner adverse to the law.

It is NOT a sexual offender evaluation which would be done by a professional schooled in sexual offending and able to treat sexual offenders.

The big question though, upon conversing with her and showing her this thread, is -- IS THERE A JUVENILE ABUSE/DEPENDENCY**NEGLECT case open? If not then why not? Because CSB is involved according to you and YET there is no GAL as required by law. So explain.

And my criminal law friend is also shocked that you would risk your four children with a rapist.

I am coming out of lurkdom to make some comments:

OhioGal is absolutely correct.

This 14 yr old offender should not be placed back in a home where there are other children. It doesn't matter if the 14 yr old was molested himself or if he is a sociopath. He will offend again and is a big risk to any siblings or non siblings he resides with.

If he is a sociopath as one poster suggested, he will use his charm to convince the authorities that he is rehabilitated, and then offend again but make sure he is not caught.

If he is acting out due to his own molestation issues, he does not have the capability at 14 to restrain himself to not offend again.

As OG has pointed out, by law there should be a GAL for the victim in this case. I am appalled that none of the parents involved in this sad case are worried about the other children who might be potential victims of this 14 yr old. OG is right that there is something completely OFF about the case as presented and I cannot believe any legal or mental health professional would recommend returning this 14 yr old to one of his parents where there are children present.

OG, I hope you are able to find out what county the case is in and take the appropriate steps to protect the children.

Bird Brain

 

[stepconcern]

Clarification

I just want to clarify that my husband and I have both been on the fence about him coming home. We have been told that our only options are his mother's or his father's house. That is what our case worker has told us. Do you really think it is possible to have him go somewhere else? If there is another option that is the one we want. Ohiogal...I need to leave for a couple hours and I really need to sit down and speak with my husband. But more than likely I will try and get you the information this week. You all are right. It is about all of the children, not just the offender.

Thank you

 

[Ohiogal]

First I want to say thank you. The post has allowed my to come full circle. What is difficult is when this first happened I told my husband he will never be allowed back in our home. However, after months of being told he will be ok to come home I became immune to the severity. So thank you for reminding me and bringing it back to the front burner. I agree he shouldn't be living in my home or her home. SO the next question WHAT can my husband do to make sure that happens. How do we get CASA/GAL for the children especially the victim. Like I said our case worker is clueless.

There is one other piece of information that I remembered when discussing this today with a friend. I don't know if there is anything my husband can do with this information, so again we need guidance.

Between the time of arraignment and the hearing his mother gave my some extremely disturbing information. She had been speaking with her other son asking if anything had ever happened before. Her son (the victim) told her that his brother had pulled his pants down and asked him to perform "you know what". She told me that she wasn't going to report this to anyone because she didn't want her oldest son to get in any more trouble. I asked my stepson about it and he admitted it, but never told anyone else. Is there anyone that we should give this info to?

This thread has make me realize that his mother is keeping this info quiet which means neither the victim or the offender is recieving help for it.

So....if we don't want him back in our home and we don't think he should be around any children what do we do?

Thank you!

So the child has been molested more than once. I am getting pissed. And if that gets me banned so be it. This child needs protected. What county are you in? Lets start there. IS there a CSB case opened? AT ALL? What was the adjudication? Is there a case plan?

 

[Ohiogal]

I just want to clarify that my husband and I have both been on the fence about him coming home. We have been told that our only options are his mother's or his father's house. That is what our case worker has told us. Do you really think it is possible to have him go somewhere else? If there is another option that is the one we want. Ohiogal...I need to leave for a couple hours and I really need to sit down and speak with my husband. But more than likely I will try and get you the information this week. You all are right. It is about all of the children, not just the offender.

Thank you

YOu need to report to the police what mom told you about the victim saying this is NOT the first time. YOU need to report to CSB that mom knew about this incident and DID NOTHING. If you don't do it, dad should do it. The possibilities are this child goes to a sexual offender program. He stays there. He receives a sexual offender evaluation and treatment. THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE. But in this case NECESSARY. Having the state take custody IN THIS INSTANCE may NOT be a bad thing. These children -- both perpetrator AND victim -- NEED help. Not just counseling. They need complete help. If mom is protecting the perpetrator then she is NOT helping the victim.

 

[CJane]

But crimes that are sexual in nature ARE different that violence. Children that commit violent crimes CAN be rehabilitated while some children CAN'T prevent themselves from being sexual predators.

I actually disagree with you. I'm not sure my cousin's son is "rehabilitated" - he's medicated. There's a HUGE difference.

Depending on the facts of this case this teen may continue to be a risk to all children that he is ALLOWED to be exposed to.

And considering that this is an OHIO case and OG is an OHIO GAL and ATTORNEY I think she would be able to determine what is LEGALLY relevant for HER STATE OF EXPERTISE.

Are you yelling at ME? For asking why this kid isn't being "locked up" rather than "treated"? Really?

 

[stepconcern]

So the child has been molested more than once. I am getting pissed. And if that gets me banned so be it. This child needs protected. What county are you in? Lets start there. IS there a CSB case opened? AT ALL? What was the adjudication? Is there a case plan?

I spoke with my husband and we want to report the previous abuse. But we have another question. The abuse that took place that hasn't been reported actually happened a year before the rape. The mom didn't know about it until her son (the victim) told her after the rape had occurred. Should we still report it even though it was before the rape? I guess what I am saying is that it isn't at if the mom knew and didn't tell and because of that her son was raped, she didn't know until after the rape that this had happened. And to clarify who exactly is the best person to tell this?

We are in Franklin county. What does CSB stand for? There is a case plan through children's services with the ultimate goal being rehabilitation and reunification with his parents. When you say adjudication I thought I answered that so can you clarify the question?

I will let you all know that after speaking with my husband tonight and letting him read these posts we have decided that we will no longer try and have him returned to our home. We want him to stay somewhere there is no children, but we aren't sure how to do that yet.

Also, the rehabilitation center he is currently in serves only sex-offenders.

 

[Isis1]

I spoke with my husband and we want to report the previous abuse. But we have another question. The abuse that took place that hasn't been reported actually happened a year before the rape. The mom didn't know about it until her son (the victim) told her after the rape had occurred. Should we still report it even though it was before the rape? I guess what I am saying is that it isn't at if the mom knew and didn't tell and because of that her son was raped, she didn't know until after the rape that this had happened. And to clarify who exactly is the best person to tell this?

We are in Franklin county. What does CSB stand for? There is a case plan through children's services with the ultimate goal being rehabilitation and reunification with his parents. When you say adjudication I thought I answered that so can you clarify the question?

I will let you all know that after speaking with my husband tonight and letting him read these posts we have decided that we will no longer try and have him returned to our home. We want him to stay somewhere there is no children, but we aren't sure how to do that yet.

Also, the rehabilitation center he is currently in serves only sex-offenders.

yes!!!! YES!!!!! omfg!! YES!!!!!!!!! talk to the social worker handling the case!!

 

[Ohiogal]

I spoke with my husband and we want to report the previous abuse. But we have another question. The abuse that took place that hasn't been reported actually happened a year before the rape.

YES REPORT IT.

The mom didn't know about it until her son (the victim) told her after the rape had occurred. Should we still report it even though it was before the rape?

Yes report it AND report mom's reaction to it.

I guess what I am saying is that it isn't at if the mom knew and didn't tell and because of that her son was raped, she didn't know until after the rape that this had happened. And to clarify who exactly is the best person to tell this?

The police. Children services.

We are in Franklin county. What does CSB stand for? There is a case plan through children's services with the ultimate goal being rehabilitation and reunification with his parents. When you say adjudication I thought I answered that so can you clarify the question?

Adjudication means that the children were found to be either abused, dependent or neglected. The seven year old should have received a finding of abuse in regards to him. What was the finding? And Franklin County is this screwed up that the child does NOT have a GAL? CSB is Children Services Bureau.

I will let you all know that after speaking with my husband tonight and letting him read these posts we have decided that we will no longer try and have him returned to our home. We want him to stay somewhere there is no children, but we aren't sure how to do that yet.

At least I can be thankful for that. You do that by making sure everything becomes known to those in authority and by having YOUR HUSBAND in the juvenile proceeding DEMAND a GAL for each of the children and cite relevant statute. The GAL will have suggestions.

Also, the rehabilitation center he is currently in serves only sex-offenders.

Okay. And if he was found guilty, how long did they sentence him to remain there?

 

[stepconcern]

"Adjudication means that the children were found to be either abused, dependent or neglected. The seven year old should have received a finding of abuse in regards to him. What was the finding? And Franklin County is this screwed up that the child does NOT have a GAL? CSB is Children Services Bureau."

On the days of the hearing and the sentencing I don't remember any of those words being mentioned; abused, dependent, or neglected. There was absolutely no mention of the seven year old. As I told you before the 14 year old simply recieved one count of gross sexual imposition. Is there a way for my husband to find out if those things were adjudicated? ANd if for some reason they weren't, how is that possible?

"At least I can be thankful for that. You do that by making sure everything becomes known to those in authority and by having YOUR HUSBAND in the juvenile proceeding DEMAND a GAL for each of the children and cite relevant statute. The GAL will have suggestions."

I also want to mention that our case worker is a nut case. To prove my point in the time between the hearing and the sentencing there was 2 months. She asked the court that he be allowed to return to my home during that time. This is with no counseling or any type of assessment. She is also the one that is pushing for him to return to his mother's home to live with the victim. Should we go to her supervisor?

"Okay. And if he was found guilty, how long did they sentence him to remain there?"

They sentenced him to stay there until he is considered rehabilitated. We just had a meeting with children's services and the treament center staff and they told us he will be getting out late spring, early summer. He has only been there since August. After that time he will be sent home. He is also on probabtion for 3 years.

We also found out from someone who used to work at this facility some disturbing info. This lady informed us that they push these kids out as fast as possible because the state doesn't want to pay for it. She told us that the chance of reoffending is high. Again, this is the complete opposite of what all of the professionals we are surrounded by are telling us. We had actually been told by 3 different people that the chance for him to reoffend was less than 3%.

 

[Ohiogal]

I actually disagree with you. I'm not sure my cousin's son is "rehabilitated" - he's medicated. There's a HUGE difference.





Are you yelling at ME? For asking why this kid isn't being "locked up" rather than "treated"? Really?

See I am confused now really. I wonder why he is not in detention as well.

 

[Ohiogal]

On the days of the hearing and the sentencing I don't remember any of those words being mentioned; abused, dependent, or neglected. There was absolutely no mention of the seven year old. As I told you before the 14 year old simply recieved one count of gross sexual imposition. Is there a way for my husband to find out if those things were adjudicated? ANd if for some reason they weren't, how is that possible?

I don't know how that was not possible if CSB is involved. Unless CSB or Children's Services or whatever you wnat to call them is really incompetent.
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I also want to mention that our case worker is a nut case. To prove my point in the time between the hearing and the sentencing there was 2 months. She asked the court that he be allowed to return to my home during that time. This is with no counseling or any type of assessment. She is also the one that is pushing for him to return to his mother's home to live with the victim. Should we go to her supervisor?

You can try that. When Children's Services is involved they have a heirarchy in place and on the case plan -- did you get a case plan? -- it is supposed to include your rights. Well the rights of the parties. You are not a party.

They sentenced him to stay there until he is considered rehabilitated. We just had a meeting with children's services and the treament center staff and they told us he will be getting out late spring, early summer. He has only been there since August. After that time he will be sent home. He is also on probabtion for 3 years.

HE RAPED A 7 YEAR OLD and they believe he will be "cured" by summer?

We also found out from someone who used to work at this facility some disturbing info. This lady informed us that they push these kids out as fast as possible because the state doesn't want to pay for it. She told us that the chance of reoffending is high. Again, this is the complete opposite of what all of the professionals we are surrounded by are telling us. We had actually been told by 3 different people that the chance for him to reoffend was less than 3%.

No offense but i said that a few pages ago. And if he comes home, how will you be protecting your four children and how will the other child be protected?

 

[stepconcern]

Curve ball Ohiogal

I just got off of the phone with our case worker. I asked her if there was a CASA/GAL worker on the case and she said "no because my step son is a deliquent". I then asked if there was one for his brother (the victim) and was told "no". I asked why. Our case worker says that the victim has no involvement with the court, therefore doesn't need one. She says that his mother is voluntarily allowing Children's services to provide him with a couselor, but there is no court involvement with the younger brother. This doesn't seem possible...how could this be?

 

[Isis1]

I just got off of the phone with our case worker. I asked her if there was a CASA/GAL worker on the case and she said "no because my step son is a deliquent". I then asked if there was one for his brother (the victim) and was told "no". I asked why. Our case worker says that the victim has no involvement with the court, therefore doesn't need one. She says that his mother is voluntarily allowing Children's services to provide him with a couselor, but there is no court involvement with the younger brother. This doesn't seem possible...how could this be?

please give the info to OG in a private message. these children need it.