Can school give student cleaning detention?

[Country Living]

The issue with ths school being resolved, she got regulator detention as i posted before(posting again in case some people missed it the first time). Also asking someone to do cleaning that is not trained is asking for trouble.

It's unlikely that in my situation my daughter would need to learn that lesson being that she is doing well in school.

Wiping a table requires training?

My daughter kept her room clean since she was a toddler. She would rinse her dishes after every meal and helped dry the silverware starting around five years old. She was washing her own clothes when she was in the 4th grade - at her request. She worked part-time through high school (graduated with honors). She held three part-time jobs while going to college full time and maintained a 3.5 GPA and got both a Math and Foreign Language degree (not her native language). She is respectful, takes nothing for granted, and has a happy, healthy life. She has good morals, good values, and is an amazing young woman.

I would never have interfered with any punishment from the school. I would have doubled it when she got home. A school has to have rules just as society has rules. Unfortunately, too many children don't have any structure or rules at home and they have to learn it at school. Bad behavior (e.g. broken rules) disrupts the learning synergy for the rest of the students. Rules have to be enforced. This is the integration into a law-abiding society. By bailing her out at school you've set the tone for bailing her out in life.

Your pretentiousness is going to cost both you and your daughter dearly.

 

[cyjeff]

Wiping a table requires training?

My daughter kept her room clean since she was a toddler. She would rinse her dishes after every meal and helped dry the silverware starting around five years old. She was washing her own clothes when she was in the 4th grade - at her request. She worked part-time through high school (graduated with honors). She held three part-time jobs while going to college full time and maintained a 3.5 GPA and got both a Math and Foreign Language degree (not her native language). She is respectful, takes nothing for granted, and has a happy, healthy life. She has good morals, good values, and is an amazing young woman.

I would never have interfered with any punishment from the school. I would have doubled it when she got home. A school has to have rules just as society has rules. Unfortunately, too many children don't have any structure or rules at home and they have to learn it at school. Bad behavior (e.g. broken rules) disrupts the learning synergy for the rest of the students. Rules have to be enforced. This is the integration into a law-abiding society. By bailing her out at school you've set the tone for bailing her out in life.

Your pretentiousness is going to cost both you and your daughter dearly.

I betcha you didn't even care when she told you she broke a nail.

 

[>Charlotte<]

We had a rule in my house when my son started school. If he ever got in trouble in school I would automatically side with the school. Teachers just aren't going to accuse some poor innocent student just for the hell of it. They have enough bad apples, they don't need to create more. Therefore, if his teacher said he did something he probably did it. Besides, if you ever want real trouble try raising a teenager that thinks he can get away with anything.

If this ever resulted in his having to write an extra essay or stay after school or miss a field trip (it didn't) well, sorry honey, but sometimes unfair things happen. You might as well learn that now.

A parent might think it's noble to say to their child "I'll always be there for you and stick up for you, no matter what, because you're my child and I'll always defend you" but once that gets filtered through a child's brain, it comes out "Suckerrrrrrrr".

 

[Country Living]

I betcha you didn't even care when she told you she broke a nail.

I would have never known about it because she would have gotten her $.05 emery board and fixed it herself.

 

[TheGeekess]

We had a rule in my house when my son started school. If he ever got in trouble in school I would automatically side with the school. Teachers just aren't going to accuse some poor innocent student just for the hell of it. They have enough bad apples, they don't need to create more. Therefore, if his teacher said he did something he probably did it. Besides, if you ever want real trouble try raising a teenager that thinks he can get away with anything.

If this ever resulted in his having to write an extra essay or stay after school or miss a field trip (it didn't) well, sorry honey, but sometimes unfair things happen. You might as well learn that now.

A parent might think it's noble to say to their child "I'll always be there for you and stick up for you, no matter what, because you're my child and I'll always defend you" but once that gets filtered through a child's brain, it comes out "Suckerrrrrrrr".

Amen the bolded (and the rest). And when it comes time for orientation, I make it a point to tell at least one or two of the teachers how it works in my household: The Child gets in trouble at school, she gets in trouble at home. Works wonderfully well; The Child is well-mannered and behaves in public (I get the compliments).

 

[>Charlotte<]

Amen the bolded (and the rest). And when it comes time for orientation, I make it a point to tell at least one or two of the teachers how it works in my household: The Child gets in trouble at school, she gets in trouble at home. Works wonderfully well; The Child is well-mannered and behaves in public (I get the compliments).

I have a co-worker who was horrified that I would do that, because what if Poor Little Precious Angel got in trouble for something he didn't do??

I spent four years listening to that co-worker defend her innocent little lamb, because it was better to believe he was innocent of all the crap he pulled than it was to risk injuring his poor little psyche on the wild chance he really was innocent. Fortunately, there were actual witnesses the time he blew up a backhoe. Yes. Blew up. A backhoe.

 

[Isis1]

I have a co-worker who was horrified that I would do that, because what if Poor Little Precious Angel got in trouble for something he didn't do??

I spent four years listening to that co-worker defend her innocent little lamb, because it was better to believe he was innocent of all the crap he pulled than it was to risk injuring his poor little psyche on the wild chance he really was innocent. Fortunately, there were actual witnesses the time he blew up a backhoe. Yes. Blew up. A backhoe.

dang!!!

so if there weren't witnesses, mom would have still ran with the "he's innocent". NICE.

 

[quincy]

Wow. Randomguy and his daughter would have major difficulties surviving in a Michigan school.

Due to significant slashes in school funding, most Michigan schools have had to make cut-backs in every area imaginable - including janitorial services. It is not unusual to find in the corner of a classroom a broom and a dustpan. Kids are expected to clean up their own classrooms, to ease the burden on the janitors who come less frequently than before. And cafeteria supervisors check to make sure each student cleans their own eating area after lunch.

No maids here, that is for sure. And, not surprisingly (considering the quality of most parents in this state ), no complaining parents.

 

[TheGeekess]

I have a co-worker who was horrified that I would do that, because what if Poor Little Precious Angel got in trouble for something he didn't do??

I spent four years listening to that co-worker defend her innocent little lamb, because it was better to believe he was innocent of all the crap he pulled than it was to risk injuring his poor little psyche on the wild chance he really was innocent. Fortunately, there were actual witnesses the time he blew up a backhoe. Yes. Blew up. A backhoe.

LOL (just because I know the Southern Male thought process so well....)

 

[justalayman]

The issue with ths school being resolved, she got regulator detention as i posted before(posting again in case some people missed it the first time). Also asking someone to do cleaning that is not trained is asking for trouble.

It's unlikely that in my situation my daughter would need to learn that lesson being that she is doing well in school.

and here your ignorance and arrogance shines through.

If your daughter were doing so well in school, why would she have detention? There is much more to school than just a grade. If all one learned was what is in the books, they have failed in school.

 

[>Charlotte<]

so if there weren't witnesses, mom would have still ran with the "he's innocent". NICE.

Because there were witnesses, she went with "but he didn't mean to!". I'm not kidding.

LOL (just because I know the Southern Male thought process so well....)

You know how people type LOL, but you know they're not really laughing out loud? I'm really laughing out loud. Nailed it.

Okay, sorry, won't hijack the thread anymore. To add relevance: yes, they can make her wipe off tables.

 

[Country Living]

Many years ago I discovered my little angel was pushing her first grade teacher’s buttons. The Little Angel (TLA) was running through the progressive discipline steps by mid-morning each day stopping short of the one where the parent is called. I was at school the next morning and had a chat with TLA and her teacher. I told her teacher that TLA gets a warning and then she calls me. There is nothing in between.

TLA said “that’s not fair”. I told her that her behavior is disrupting the class because the teacher must stop what she’s doing and address it. A crying angel called me a few days later and she had to explain what she did and she knew she would be punished when she got home. I never had a second call even though every teacher she had in elementary school knew the rules were tighter for TLA.

TLA is now a high school math teacher. The first thing she does at the beginning of the school year is tell the students what she expects in the way of deportment, assignments, and class participation. And she will call parents.

 

[randomguy]

Wiping a table requires training?

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When it comes to doing such thing at school being that it's manual labor(no way around it), yes it requires training.

 

[randomguy]

Wow. Randomguy and his daughter would have major difficulties surviving in a Michigan school.

Due to significant slashes in school funding, most Michigan schools have had to make cut-backs in every area imaginable - including janitorial services. It is not unusual to find in the corner of a classroom a broom and a dustpan. Kids are expected to clean up their own classrooms, to ease the burden on the janitors who come less frequently than before. And cafeteria supervisors check to make sure each student cleans their own eating area after lunch.

No maids here, that is for sure. And, not surprisingly (considering the quality of most parents in this state ), no complaining parents.

Chances are it would be handled by lawyer(s). If needed it would be handled by court and taken all the way to us supreme court. I have a feeling that school would back down beacuse it would not be worth for them to fight it.

 

[justalayman]

When it comes to doing such thing at school being that it's manual labor(no way around it), yes it requires training.

if your little darling needs more training than:


wet the towel, move in a motion so as to remove any foreign substances from the surface of the table. Put any large particulate matter into a waste receptacle. Rinse the towel in the detergent water mixture.

repeat until all tables are clean


s/he is not quite as bright as you claim. In all honesty, if your child is over the age of 10 an cannot figure it out for themselves, you really are deluding yourself concerning their mental capabilities.

so, there is one more learning experience for your child when wiping tables:

problem solving skills.


as it appears, the only problem solving skill they have mastered is getting daddy to fix things so they are not held responsible for their actions.

great teaching job there dad.