Aunts/Uncles/Grandparents

[CJane]

Yes, he thought her skills were so terrible that he impregnated her twice. I can see how bad of a mother he thought she was/is.

Especially considering one of the kids was conceived when he was terminally ill.

And yeah, mom's PSYCHO, but has CPS been called? Even by the mandated reporter (pediatrician)? No?

 

[frylover]

I just want to add that your niece and nephew are CHILDREN and absolutely should NOT know that so-called adults are waging a battle with them as the prize.

And if the pediatrician had felt the children's lives were in danger in 2004 he/she would have been required by law to report it. Did he/she report it? Did CPS investigate?

 

[CJane]

I just want to add that your niece and nephew are CHILDREN and absolutely should NOT know that so-called adults are waging a battle with them as the prize.

And if the pediatrician had felt the children's lives were in danger in 2004 he/she would have been required by law to report it. Did he/she report it? Did CPS investigate?

OMG. I totally missed the timeline of this one!

The brother died when kiddo #2 was TWO MONTHS old. Obviously, if Mom was threatening to kill BOTH kids WAY BACK in 2004, dear brother has been gone for at least FIVE YEARS. Kiddos are now 7 and 5.

There wasn't even a relationship established with these kids by the father's family prior to his death.

And how in the he** are they still litigating the estate?

 

[ava42805]

OMG. I totally missed the timeline of this one!

The brother died when kiddo #2 was TWO MONTHS old. Obviously, if Mom was threatening to kill BOTH kids WAY BACK in 2004, dear brother has been gone for at least FIVE YEARS. Kiddos are now 7 and 5.

There wasn't even a relationship established with these kids by the father's family prior to his death.

And how in the he** are they still litigating the estate?

Yeah, and OP said this ISN'T all about the money and estate .

 

[sam02135]

All the information is there ... reread it.

Since it appears that we may forget what we read, I'll summarize:

Another information that is there is the father's family helped raised his children ever since the children were BORN while he was sick and after he passed away. A relationship with the children had been established for 5 years.

As in the lawsuit on the estate, I also said I can prove her statements are lies. And again the court was clear in a partial summary judgment ruled in my favor... which basically said she's a liar. Make no mistake there.. I can prove that the "crap" flung my way were lies. And I haven't flung anything her way... Again... I'm only on the defense right now.

And the comment that "... and he impregnated her twice ...". Yep .. but he didn't know she would threaten the life of the children.. no? ... yes?

And how the "he**" still litigating the estate... Why don't you ask Anne Nicole Smith ... you know ...the MOM that married the billionaire Marshall ... and that he (Marshall) promised her $500 Million... with no proof. I think it's a 15 year trial and appellate court tossed out the appeals and enforcing that the original ruling would stand. This was recent news. It'll continue for another few years if they appeal to the Supreme Court... which will likely turn down the request.

What is this case about? Lawsuit= estate (just like the Anne Nicole Smith case)=money. Give it all to me or you will never see the children... in short. What was the OP case about? About visitations of uncles, aunts and grandparents... to find out what can be "done".

There did I answer all the questions?

 

[sam02135]

I just want to add that your niece and nephew are CHILDREN and absolutely should NOT know that so-called adults are waging a battle with them as the prize.

And if the pediatrician had felt the children's lives were in danger in 2004 he/she would have been required by law to report it. Did he/she report it? Did CPS investigate?

We have said nothing to the children about the feud. It is not in our nature to do that. But at 18, they can know everything and what we tried to do to get visitations. And the letters to the children by their father of the wish that I will have a relationship with them in place of their father and that their MOM refuses and the negative things the MOM has put in the children's ears. Nothing I could do there.

The pediatrician had been notified and the fear that I had... I was told to keep an eye on the MOM... and my reply was I can't do 24/7... but I will do what I can. And if you didn't catch some of the details that people here miss... I saved my nephew's life when he had a plastic bag half over his head when he was 1 years old. And the MOM blamed it on the child's sister who was 3 years old at that time. I'll leave it at that.

 

[stealth2]

And the comment that "... and he impregnated her twice ...". Yep .. but he didn't know she would threaten the life of the children.. no? ... yes?

Dunno - you're the one who claims that he knew on his deathbed that she had poor parenting skills. He didn't know that 11 mos prior? Hard to believe. Sorry.

Why don't you ask Anne Nicole Smith

At least get the woman's name right. Which is NOT Anne Nicole Smith.

 

[sam02135]

Getting the name spelled correctly ... oops .. typo "Anna"... oops ... lets toss the case out, call me a liar, call be bias... oops. I got the Nicole Smith part right though... why don't you check out all the things I've written and look for other typos. The "news" and facts are correct... but you know who xxxx Nicole Smith is though right? So I got the message across.

My brother knew she lacked parenting skills before he impregnated her the second time... why do you think the father's family were involved so much? Don't answer that ... because you don't know... and you can "assume". Here's another tidbit about parenting skills. The youngest child as a baby got sick one time.. high fever... I (yes .. I) took him to the doctors and they advice me to give him fever reducing medication... after a week .. didn't help .. I went back to the doctors with my nephew... they decided to test for for UTI ... came back positive. A boy getting UTI... oh my... must have been pretty dirty down there. The mother had been taught by my family how to clean the children, but apparently she didn't do a good job. Boys don't get UTI.. and they did additional test to see if he had any physiological problems. Thank goodness .. none... but the cause is a result of poor hygiene. Answer your question? Is this "crap" that I'm talking about? One sided? Hard to imagine this has happened that's for sure.

 

[LdiJ]

Getting the name spelled correctly ... oops .. typo "Anna"... oops ... lets toss the case out, call me a liar, call be bias... oops. I got the Nicole Smith part right though... why don't you check out all the things I've written and look for other typos. The "news" and facts are correct... but you know who xxxx Nicole Smith is though right? So I got the message across.

My brother knew she lacked parenting skills before he impregnated her the second time... why do you think the father's family were involved so much? Don't answer that ... because you don't know... and you can "assume". Here's another tidbit about parenting skills. The youngest child as a baby got sick one time.. high fever... I (yes .. I) took him to the doctors and they advice me to give him fever reducing medication... after a week .. didn't help .. I went back to the doctors with my nephew... they decided to test for for UTI ... came back positive. A boy getting UTI... oh my... must have been pretty dirty down there. The mother had been taught by my family how to clean the children, but apparently she didn't do a good job. Boys don't get UTI.. and they did additional test to see if he had any physiological problems. Thank goodness .. none... but the cause is a result of poor hygiene. Answer your question? Is this "crap" that I'm talking about? One sided? Hard to imagine this has happened that's for sure.

I really don't know what to say to you.

As far as your brother's estate/will are concerned as long as your sister in law receives the portion of the estate that state law entitles her to receive, you won't be doing anything illegal there.

As long as your brother's children are the only people who benefit from the rest of the estate, even if its held in trust for them, then you won't be doing anything morally wrong either.

However, you really need to wrap your head around the fact that parents have a constitutional (not state law, but constitutional, upheld numerous times by the US Supreme Court) right to the custody and control of their children.

By fighting so hard to uphold what you believe to be the wishes of your brother, you have caused the serious rift in the relationship between your family and his children. A rift that you are unlikely to be able to repair with any legal action.

If you hadn't been so darned determined to keep his money away from his wife...to uphold what you believed to be his wishes...your family would likely still be enjoying a happy relationship with his children.

What is in the best interest of his children? To keep his money away from his wife, or to be still enjoying a happy relationship with his extended family? It seems to me like his most important wish was that his children maintain their contact with his extended family. Its too bad that you didn't give his most important wish priority over his money.

 

[ava42805]

Getting the name spelled correctly ... oops .. typo "Anna"... oops ... lets toss the case out, call me a liar, call be bias... oops. I got the Nicole Smith part right though... why don't you check out all the things I've written and look for other typos. The "news" and facts are correct... but you know who xxxx Nicole Smith is though right? So I got the message across.

My brother knew she lacked parenting skills before he impregnated her the second time... why do you think the father's family were involved so much? Don't answer that ... because you don't know... and you can "assume". Here's another tidbit about parenting skills. The youngest child as a baby got sick one time.. high fever... I (yes .. I) took him to the doctors and they advice me to give him fever reducing medication... after a week .. didn't help .. I went back to the doctors with my nephew... they decided to test for for UTI ... came back positive. A boy getting UTI... oh my... must have been pretty dirty down there. The mother had been taught by my family how to clean the children, but apparently she didn't do a good job. Boys don't get UTI.. and they did additional test to see if he had any physiological problems. Thank goodness .. none... but the cause is a result of poor hygiene. Answer your question? Is this "crap" that I'm talking about? One sided? Hard to imagine this has happened that's for sure.

You see, THIS is one sided! I was a nurse in a Pediatric Urology Clinic. Boys do get UTI's! Some boys gets lots and lots of them! Yes, poor hygiene could be the cause, but so could a 1000 other things. There is absolutely no way of being dead certain that poor hygiene was the problem behind ONE UTI. I don't care WHO told you that either. Maybe he got it from a dirty toilet seat .

Do you have children of your own? I wonder how you would feel about having somebody else (or somebody else's entire family) looking over your shoulder and judging, critiquing, and pointing out every mistake you make, as a young, new parent?

Just Ld said, you and your family have spent so much time and energy "protecting" your brother's estate that you have truly sight of the big picture. Which I hope is having a relationship with these children. Go ahead, drag it out for another 5 years. But don't forget that the court records from this estate battle will also be "public record" that the kids will one day have access to. Are you positive that they will judge this as you and your family doing "the noble thing" by protecting THEIR father's estate from THEIR mother? Or could they possibly view it as your family picking the money over them?

 

[sam02135]

I really don't know what to say to you.

As far as your brother's estate/will are concerned as long as your sister in law receives the portion of the estate that state law entitles her to receive, you won't be doing anything illegal there.

As long as your brother's children are the only people who benefit from the rest of the estate, even if its held in trust for them, then you won't be doing anything morally wrong either.

However, you really need to wrap your head around the fact that parents have a constitutional (not state law, but constitutional, upheld numerous times by the US Supreme Court) right to the custody and control of their children.

By fighting so hard to uphold what you believe to be the wishes of your brother, you have caused the serious rift in the relationship between your family and his children. A rift that you are unlikely to be able to repair with any legal action.

If you hadn't been so darned determined to keep his money away from his wife...to uphold what you believed to be his wishes...your family would likely still be enjoying a happy relationship with his children.

What is in the best interest of his children? To keep his money away from his wife, or to be still enjoying a happy relationship with his extended family? It seems to me like his most important wish was that his children maintain their contact with his extended family. Its too bad that you didn't give his most important wish priority over his money.

Again I value anyone's thoughts in this matter. The original OP was about visitations of uncles aunts and grandparents. Having done some research in the past, there really is nothing that can be done about it. I and we have known the legal right that a mother/natural parent (by statement/definition of the SJC case laws and I'm trying to explain myself again why I used the term)).
I've only defended myself in this lawsuit, no offense yet.

I know the legal rights of the trustee of the "estate" and what I can do legally and what is illegal. I will not get into that anymore. But in short to give what ever the sister in law wants so she will be "happy" .. and just just just just maybe, she'll let "us" have some contact. That's a very little "maybe" there. Extortion they say? Pay to Play? Send the lawyers so that it'll make it financially overburdensome for me to defend? That's the tactic. Mind you all... a psycho parent. The courts don't care what the best interest of the children is... only who the mother is. And to have you say "... darn determine to keep the money from the mother ... you may have a good relationship there...". Sorry ... you don't know her. And I/we do.

Thanks just the same...

And to say enforcing my brother's wishes created a rift. Well.. why did my brother do what he did? I guess it doesn't matter anymore because he isn't here, but his reasons and wishes are. Why bother doing a Will? Why bother setting up titles and all? This is the fundamentals why we have financial planners, estate taxes, ownership of assets.

 

[sam02135]

You see, THIS is one sided! I was a nurse in a Pediatric Urology Clinic. Boys do get UTI's! Some boys gets lots and lots of them! Yes, poor hygiene could be the cause, but so could a 1000 other things. There is absolutely no way of being dead certain that poor hygiene was the problem behind ONE UTI. I don't care WHO told you that either. Maybe he got it from a dirty toilet seat .

Do you have children of your own? I wonder how you would feel about having somebody else (or somebody else's entire family) looking over your shoulder and judging, critiquing, and pointing out every mistake you make, as a young, new parent?

Just Ld said, you and your family have spent so much time and energy "protecting" your brother's estate that you have truly sight of the big picture. Which I hope is having a relationship with these children. Go ahead, drag it out for another 5 years. But don't forget that the court records from this estate battle will also be "public record" that the kids will one day have access to. Are you positive that they will judge this as you and your family doing "the noble thing" by protecting THEIR father's estate from THEIR mother? Or could they possibly view it as your family picking the money over them?

"You see .. this is One Sided...". I don't care what your profession is. What I do care is what the pediatrician told me... it is very very rare for boys to get UTI. And boys are unlikely to contract UTI from seats. It's physiological differences that makes us boys and how "un-easy" it is for boys to get UTI. Not one sided, the pediatrician's side. And the pediatrician has a "Dr." in front of his name.

Yes .. the estate is public records ... and it will show the facts not what the mother claimed. It's easy to just roll over. Why do you think America is what it is today? Stand up and fight for the cause. Fight to protect the lives of a few or many. Pay to play. Ask the ex governor of Illinois. Extortion

And I really don't want to drag it another 5 year... let me go on with my life. I had given offers to settle and ignored... until the judge in the pre-trial told Plaintiff the facts and what they have to overcome in "evidence" and their lawyers didn't have one response to the facts.

 

[sam02135]

You see, THIS is one sided! I was a nurse in a Pediatric Urology Clinic. Boys do get UTI's! Some boys gets lots and lots of them! Yes, poor hygiene could be the cause, but so could a 1000 other things. There is absolutely no way of being dead certain that poor hygiene was the problem behind ONE UTI. I don't care WHO told you that either. Maybe he got it from a dirty toilet seat .

Do you have children of your own? I wonder how you would feel about having somebody else (or somebody else's entire family) looking over your shoulder and judging, critiquing, and pointing out every mistake you make, as a young, new parent?

Just Ld said, you and your family have spent so much time and energy "protecting" your brother's estate that you have truly sight of the big picture. Which I hope is having a relationship with these children. Go ahead, drag it out for another 5 years. But don't forget that the court records from this estate battle will also be "public record" that the kids will one day have access to. Are you positive that they will judge this as you and your family doing "the noble thing" by protecting THEIR father's estate from THEIR mother? Or could they possibly view it as your family picking the money over them?

And we are there to help her .. teach her ... support her in what she lacks as we are experience parents. And again if you hadn't re-read... we loved her like our own family/like a sister. Not good enough though.

 

[Artemis_ofthe_Hunt]

And we are there to help her .. teach her ... support her in what she lacks as we are experience parents. And again if you hadn't re-read... we loved her like our own family/like a sister. Not good enough though.

Wait... didn't you say that you didn't have children? Your whole post is so full of holes, I don't believe that you have anyones best interest at heart, let alone those two kids who have a claim on their father's estate.
You, sir, are a troll.

 

[dorothymantooth]

Couple things:

OP quote:"The proof is that she said that to my brother in law, and confronted her on this, she admitted it and asked what was I going to do about it... I said I would call the authorities and she picked up the phone and waived the handset in my face three times... and said "go ahead". Her words agains mine... there so I sought legal and professional (health care) help. That should be documented in the children's medical records"

OP quote: "Oh.. did you see the part that the children's medical records would have proof of facts?"

So you told the doctor that she made a threat and he wrote it down in his records? That's still not proof. That's you telling him something that may or may not be true.

OP quote: "And I also saved my nephew's life when he was approximately one years old.. he had a plastic bag over half his head. Good thing he had a big head... And the MOTHER blamed it on his sister who was 3 years old... imagine the mother saying that."

Obviously you were present when this incident happened, since you came to the rescue. I assume that this was during the time when you "helped raise the childen", right? So why is the plastic bag MOM's fault? You were watching him too, why didn't you prevent it?

OP Quote: "A boy getting UTI... oh my... must have been pretty dirty down there. The mother had been taught by my family how to clean the children, but apparently she didn't do a good job. Boys don't get UTI"

That is complete and utter rubbish. Maybe instead of doing all this research on how to take children away from their MOTHER you should Google UTI's, see how prevalent they are in children of both sexes and that there are several causes of UTI's. If you're implying that she's a bad mother because her kids got sick, you're an idiot.

You type alot, ask alot of sarcastic questions, dance around the issues, and try to pass off opinion as truth. But it still took 3 pages to figure out that the kids are 5 and 7 and that this issue has been going on for 5 years. The way you word things and act snotty is extemely manipulative.

By the end of your thread I could almost see the big, red, "CRAZY" sign flashing, with the "Z" shorting out some. I think you would be an excellent example of why extended family should NOT be allowed to have visitation with (oops I mean force themselves on in your case) children.

Just sayin'