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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? CA

My other thread has been closed or I would continue it.

The new court order reads as follows:

1. Current order shall remain in full force and effect but for modifications included her in:

2. Parties shall attend coparenting counseling at horizons.

3. 9 year old daughter shall have a therapist at horizons for mediator to speak with therapist

4. parties shall return to court and to mediation in january.

My question is for #2 does this mean we get counseling together or seperate or just coparenting classes?

The judge said she wanted counseling for all and then mediator speak with therapist in january.

Ex says he is just taking classes online and wants me nowhere near him to avoid conflict.

Just need clarification please
 
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My instructions say that at no time we are to contact the mediator for anything. Is there someone at the court that I can contact to get clarification for this.

As it turns out I called Horizons and they do not do coparenting counseling or classes and do not do child therapy. They gave me some other places to call.
 

mistoffolees

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My instructions say that at no time we are to contact the mediator for anything. Is there someone at the court that I can contact to get clarification for this.

As it turns out I called Horizons and they do not do coparenting counseling or classes and do not do child therapy. They gave me some other places to call.
If the order doesn't say you have to do it together, then you don't.

If the court order says 'Horizons' and Horizons doesn't offer it, then I would take the classes somewhere else. You're not likely to get in trouble for taking classes elsewhere when they're not offered at the stated place, but you COULD get in trouble for not making an attempt. Or you could take your chances and wait until the next hearing - and ask the judge, but I wouldn't recommend waiting.
 

LdiJ

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If the order doesn't say you have to do it together, then you don't.

If the court order says 'Horizons' and Horizons doesn't offer it, then I would take the classes somewhere else. You're not likely to get in trouble for taking classes elsewhere when they're not offered at the stated place, but you COULD get in trouble for not making an attempt. Or you could take your chances and wait until the next hearing - and ask the judge, but I wouldn't recommend waiting.
The orders say "co-parent counseling" not co-parent classes.

I would recommend filing a motion with the court asking for a modification of the order.

State that Horizons does not offer co-parent counseling or child counseling and ask permission for another location to be used.

State that dad has already stated that he refuses to do co-parent counseling.

I wouldn't necessarily wait for the permission to get your child enrolled in counseling, and it wouldn't hurt for you to take a co-parent class, but the co-parent counseling needs to happen and you don't want to wait until January to put the judge on notice that dad refuses to do so.
 

futuredust

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You should also get a letter from the center that states they offer none of what is requested. So that you have proof you did in fact contact them, and when, as a show of your good faith in carrying out the orders.

Then, if it were me, I would find someplace that does offer what is requested as soon as possible.
 
Could I go to one of the places that Horizon has recommended for the co-parenting counseling for myself and they also do the child therapy there with a licensed child therapist? Also get a letter from Horizons stating they don't do that type of counseling there? Would that work or do I have to go back for modification?
 

CSO286

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Could I go to one of the places that Horizon has recommended for the co-parenting counseling for myself and they also do the child therapy there with a licensed child therapist? Also get a letter from Horizons stating they don't do that type of counseling there? Would that work or do I have to go back for modification?
I would do all of that in addiditon to filing the motion for clarification about the "co-parent counseling".
 
Update

Went to the court house today and they gave me a number to call. I called the number and the person was able to get clarification from the mediator.

The mediator said that co-parenting counseling means counseling, not classes, with a therapist. She said that our order is for both parties, me and ex, to have therapy together. She said that I need to only worry about myself to follow the court order.

She said since Horizon does not do that kind of therapy to find one myself for me and daughter that is familiar with working with the courts. Already got an appointment scheduled for next Tuesday with a therapist. Still working on getting one for daughter that does child therapy and have placed calls to them.

I have mediation orientation Dec. 23rd and mediation on Dec. 27th. The actual court date is January 26th. I will give you all an update after mediation and court.

Thanks to eveyone,
 
Update

My ex served me his response declaration today. Oh Lord I don't even know where to start.

I thought the response to the cause for motion was to address what was on the cause for motion and if he had issues and other things not listed that he would have to file his own cause for motion?

His is requesting that the 50/50 physical custody remain but he is asking for 100% legal custody.

His grounds for asking that is that he carries the medical insurance already and has paid for daughter's bills. He does carry the insurance per the court order and he has taken daughter to the doctor without my knowledge and paid the bill. I also take daughter to the doctor when needed and pay the bill but I inform him before hand.

He states that him and stepmom do not like it that I have tarot cards, got them as a birthday present a year ago and have been in my closet except when my daughter wanted to look at them. Does not like that I am a member of the CA Phychics and says I am teaching daughter bad things and does not go with their Baptist beliefs.

He stated that I don't premote a heathy relationship with stepmom and stepmom feels uncomfortable with me around at daughter's school.

He stated I kept her out of school too long for cold and flu and when she had head lice. Daughter had a really bad flu last year with a fever that went on for days and I took her to the doctor and they said tylenol and cough medicine was all they could do and fever had to run its course because it was viral. The school has a zero fever tolerance and must be fever free for 24 hours without the use of fever reducer and also a zero nit tolerance and i had quit a battle with head lice last year I admit. I had to go through her hair with a nit comb ever day for a month or more when I had her and had to go through the whole house cleaning and disinfecting 3 times. The school had an epidemic with lice.

Said daughter did not have her own room until court. She had her own room always but prefered to sleep in her two year old half brother's room which has two beds in it. It's only recently as she has gotten older that she has wanted to sleep in her own room again and I redecorated and added a desk to do arts and crafts and homework.

He stated that I am emotionally unstable. No doctor has ever diagnosed me as unstable.

He says I yelled and screamed at stepmom when she honestly made a mistake and withheld my holiday visitation. I was not happy but I did not yell or scream. She told me to kiss her ass that day.

He did not like it when I clicked "Like" on someone's fb joke. The joke was that one person is right in an argument and then the other is the husband.

Ex will still not participate in coparenting counseling but I am attending. Daughter is just now after a long search for a child therapist to attend with one.

He stated his domestic violence was just an unfortunate accident and the cops that arrested him appologized for having to arrest him and he went to court and it was dismissed but he has to take a year long anger management every tuesday from 6-9pm and probation for 5 years.

After all that and the list does go on and on with the same kind of stuff do you all think I will lose my legal custody?

I have never been arrested am not a drug user and have never had the police called out to my house for anything.

Sorry it was so long.
 

acmb05

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My ex served me his response declaration today. Oh Lord I don't even know where to start.

I thought the response to the cause for motion was to address what was on the cause for motion and if he had issues and other things not listed that he would have to file his own cause for motion?
I am not sure the exact way it is in your state but I would think his response would have any issues he has on it.

His is requesting that the 50/50 physical custody remain but he is asking for 100% legal custody.

His grounds for asking that is that he carries the medical insurance already and has paid for daughter's bills. He does carry the insurance per the court order and he has taken daughter to the doctor without my knowledge and paid the bill. I also take daughter to the doctor when needed and pay the bill but I inform him before hand.
That is kind of odd. Normally it is the other way around.

He states that him and stepmom do not like it that I have tarot cards, got them as a birthday present a year ago and have been in my closet except when my daughter wanted to look at them. Does not like that I am a member of the CA Phychics and says I am teaching daughter bad things and does not go with their Baptist beliefs.
Tarot cards are not against the law. You are a member of a Phychic group and yet you want everyone to believe you have kept tarot cards in your closet and never use them. It does not matter but really to beat around the bush loses some credibility with me. How would your child know they were even there is if you did not show her where they were in the first place.

He stated that I don't premote a heathy relationship with stepmom and stepmom feels uncomfortable with me around at daughter's school.
I'm sorry but this is just funny. I would love to see the judges face when he reads this.

He stated I kept her out of school too long for cold and flu and when she had head lice. Daughter had a really bad flu last year with a fever that went on for days and I took her to the doctor and they said tylenol and cough medicine was all they could do and fever had to run its course because it was viral. The school has a zero fever tolerance and must be fever free for 24 hours without the use of fever reducer and also a zero nit tolerance and i had quit a battle with head lice last year I admit. I had to go through her hair with a nit comb ever day for a month or more when I had her and had to go through the whole house cleaning and disinfecting 3 times. The school had an epidemic with lice.
Common every day problems that some parents have.

Said daughter did not have her own room until court. She had her own room always but prefered to sleep in her two year old half brother's room which has two beds in it. It's only recently as she has gotten older that she has wanted to sleep in her own room again and I redecorated and added a desk to do arts and crafts and homework.
This is not a big deal.
He stated that I am emotionally unstable. No doctor has ever diagnosed me as unstable.
Has any doctor diagnosed you with anything?

He says I yelled and screamed at stepmom when she honestly made a mistake and withheld my holiday visitation. I was not happy but I did not yell or scream. She told me to kiss her ass that day.
This is another funny one. Why the hell is stepmom controlling your visitation. Dad is not going to come off looking to well in court if he keeps this up.

He did not like it when I clicked "Like" on someone's fb joke. The joke was that one person is right in an argument and then the other is the husband.
Who cares, He is looking extremely controlling here.

Ex will still not participate in coparenting counseling but I am attending. Daughter is just now after a long search for a child therapist to attend with one.
Then you worry about you and child and if dad don't complete his the judge will deal with him.

He stated his domestic violence was just an unfortunate accident and the cops that arrested him appologized for having to arrest him and he went to court and it was dismissed but he has to take a year long anger management every tuesday from 6-9pm and probation for 5 years.
Then it was not dismissed. If he is on probation for it he was convicted of it. They don't dismiss a case then put you on probation anyway.

After all that and the list does go on and on with the same kind of stuff do you all think I will lose my legal custody?

I have never been arrested am not a drug user and have never had the police called out to my house for anything.

Sorry it was so long.
I think if there is more of that in there and dad brings half those things up in court he will may be ordered to a little more than parent counseling.

Btw who was the domestic violence against and was the child present when it happened?
 

mistoffolees

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My ex served me his response declaration today. Oh Lord I don't even know where to start.
You start by calming down and realizing that he can ask for the moon, but it doesn't mean he'll get it.

His is requesting that the 50/50 physical custody remain but he is asking for 100% legal custody.
Not going to happen - and he looks foolish for even requesting it. If you are a fit parent to have 50:50 physical, then there is absolutely no reason why he should have 100% legal.

There are occasions where the court will order joint legal and then state that if the parents can't agree on something, that one parent can decide, but they would not arbitrarily assign sole legal to a parent when the other parent is fit for 50:50 shared physical.

His grounds for asking that is that he carries the medical insurance already and has paid for daughter's bills. He does carry the insurance per the court order and he has taken daughter to the doctor without my knowledge and paid the bill. I also take daughter to the doctor when needed and pay the bill but I inform him before hand.
Carrying insurance is irrelevant to legal custody determination.

If he tells the court that he has taken the child to the doctor without telling you, that will work against him. BOTH parents need to be aware of what's going on with the child. If the child is being treated for something, you need to know in case of emergency so that there isn't additional treatment that could conflict.

He states that him and stepmom do not like it that I have tarot cards, got them as a birthday present a year ago and have been in my closet except when my daughter wanted to look at them. Does not like that I am a member of the CA Phychics and says I am teaching daughter bad things and does not go with their Baptist beliefs.
There's this little thing called 'freedom of religion' in the U.S. And CA is one of the LEAST likely states to side with him supporting his Baptist religion.

As long as you're not doing anything illegal or harmful to the child, it won't affect custody. And, once again, his position bites him in the rear. If you're unfit for religious reasons, why is he offering you 50:50 physical custody?

He stated that I don't premote a heathy relationship with stepmom and stepmom feels uncomfortable with me around at daughter's school.
Let him bring that up in court. Then tell the judge that you'd like sole legal custody because Stepmom is interfering with your parenting - by Dad's own admission.

He stated I kept her out of school too long for cold and flu and when she had head lice. Daughter had a really bad flu last year with a fever that went on for days and I took her to the doctor and they said tylenol and cough medicine was all they could do and fever had to run its course because it was viral. The school has a zero fever tolerance and must be fever free for 24 hours without the use of fever reducer and also a zero nit tolerance and i had quit a battle with head lice last year I admit. I had to go through her hair with a nit comb ever day for a month or more when I had her and had to go through the whole house cleaning and disinfecting 3 times. The school had an epidemic with lice.
Sounds a little severe, but it's certainly possible. You're going to need to explain it as calmly as you can and tell the judge that you were simply following the school's rules. if you start screaming and yelling over the subject, you'll lose credibility.

It would also be helpful to have the child's attendance record handy to show that she has not missed significant amounts of schools other than those two instances.

Said daughter did not have her own room until court. She had her own room always but prefered to sleep in her two year old half brother's room which has two beds in it. It's only recently as she has gotten older that she has wanted to sleep in her own room again and I redecorated and added a desk to do arts and crafts and homework.
No law says a child must have his/her own room. But even if it did, she has her own room now, so it's irrelevant.

He stated that I am emotionally unstable. No doctor has ever diagnosed me as unstable.
Let him try to prove it. In fact, if he tries, it becomes one more argument for you getting custody since he's clearly trying to interfere with your parenting.

He says I yelled and screamed at stepmom when she honestly made a mistake and withheld my holiday visitation. I was not happy but I did not yell or scream. She told me to kiss her ass that day.
Let him bring that up in court. Then tell the judge that you'd like sole legal custody because Stepmom is interfering with your parenting - by Dad's own admission.

He did not like it when I clicked "Like" on someone's fb joke. The joke was that one person is right in an argument and then the other is the husband.
TFB. You're allowed to 'like' any joke you want.

One of my favorites is: "If a man says something in the forest and there's no woman to hear, is he still wrong?" I could put that all over my facebook page and probably even say it in court and it shouldn't affect custody.

Ex will still not participate in coparenting counseling but I am attending. Daughter is just now after a long search for a child therapist to attend with one.
That's going to hurt him. The judge doesn't give orders for kicks.

He stated his domestic violence was just an unfortunate accident and the cops that arrested him appologized for having to arrest him and he went to court and it was dismissed but he has to take a year long anger management every tuesday from 6-9pm and probation for 5 years.
Too bad. He's got an arrest and probation on his record for DV. If the judge ultimately has to decide between the two of you, that's a serious factor in the decision.

And btw, I doubt if it was dismissed - since he has probation. It was probably deferred prosecution or suspended sentence or something like that.

After all that and the list does go on and on with the same kind of stuff do you all think I will lose my legal custody?

I have never been arrested am not a drug user and have never had the police called out to my house for anything.
You're not going to lose custody simply on the basis of his assertions. If he can PROVE that it's in the child's best interests to be with him, that could change custody, but the fact that he's asking for 50:50 physical means he'll lose that argument.

Frankly, if I were you, I'd have a good attorney to handle this and you should win it hands down - and possibly be awarded your attorney's fees since so many of his complaints are frivolous. If you handle it properly, you could win it in your own, but I really don't think it's worth the amount of money that you save when your kids' custody is at stake.
 
Yeah I am a member of the phychic group online on fb meaning I like the CA phychics page. I get my daily horoscope.

The tarot cards were givin to me in front of my daughter and that's when she looked at them. They are in my closet because I do not know how to properly use them, they came with a book on how to use them which I have not read yet. I hope to learn how to properly use them some day for my own fun.

The domestic violence was against his wife and yes our daughter along with the other kids were present when it happened.

No doctor ever has diagnosed me as unstable. That is his and stepmom's opinion. He says that he thinks I am unstable in my home and relationship because I put on fb that I thought my mom is one of my soul mates, we are very close.

After rereading some of it this morning, it is very long, him and stepmom do not like that me and spouse smoke. We smoke outside, he says we don't although not sure how he would know this he has never even been to my house. He stated that he also smokes and it is outside of his home. He also states that I smoked while pregnant with my two year old son. I did have a battle quiting when I found out I was pregnant but was able to quit after a few weeks. It is a habit I am not proud of and quit before for a few years and I am mentally building up to quiting again.



I will probablly add more info later as I go through it more thoroughly.
 
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Reading some more and he states that stepmom does not like it when I pick up daughter on my days and I put my arm around her shoulder or hold her hand. She says it promotes ownership and does not give my daughter a chance to chat with stepmom after class. She says that grandma does the same thing.

Honestly that's how I have always greeted my daughter. I also have things to do and have to get going as I have other kids to pick up and have to get there on time. I don't stay long for anyone unless the teacher needs to speak with me. I have told daughter in the past to say goodbye but honestly don't worry about it too much.

Stepmom says that she came to pick daughter up on xx day and said spouse and I were fighting with obscene language that she could hear it because we had front door open.

On that day me, daughter and son had just got home about 30 minutes before pick up from a trip to Yosemite. We did have the front door open and baby gate up. Spouse and his 3 teenage kids where playing a game of tag football in the backyard and they are loud and yell a lot in good fun. Spouse was shouting to me from back yard how was my trip and how did my piece of crap truck make it. He is not a Ford fan and likes Dodge. He was teasing. We were not arguing.
 
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mistoffolees

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Reading some more and he states that stepmom does not like it when I pick up daughter on my days and I put my arm around her shoulder or hold her hand. She says it promotes ownership and does not give my daughter a chance to chat with stepmom after class. She says that grandma does the same thing.
Please understand. It doesn't matter what Stepmom likes or doesn't like. She has absolutely no legal rights in the matter.

Best thing to do is just to ignore her.

If she interferes with your custody too much, it could hurt dad's situation.
 

Proserpina

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Reading some more and he states that stepmom does not like it when I pick up daughter on my days and I put my arm around her shoulder or hold her hand. She says it promotes ownership and does not give my daughter a chance to chat with stepmom after class. She says that grandma does the same thing.

Honestly that's how I have always greeted my daughter. I also have things to do and have to get going as I have other kids to pick up and have to get there on time. I don't stay long for anyone unless the teacher needs to speak with me. I have told daughter in the past to say goodbye but honestly don't worry about it too much.


I'm sorry but WHO is the parent here?


It's not step-mom, right? She seems to be attempting to parent your ex AND your child! :eek:
 
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