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jekyl007

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AGAIN. As it is the purpose of this forum to assist people that do not have the benefit of an ACTUAL attorney, as your lover does...PLEASE! Wait till tomorrow and ask YOUR question to said LOVERS attorney. If said attorney will even address YOUR questions.

Thanks.:)
There are a lot of people that have lawyers and still come here to ask a question if at that moment they can not reach their lawyer.. its an advice form. doesnt mean you do or dont have to have a lawyer to ask something.. My question was about the guardianship and if it had to be filed in PA where custody jurisdiction is..

as for my fiance, he is not a "lover" we are getting married.. we do have our families blended together.. and I do raise his 2 year old son..

but seeing as to some of the people wanting to call me a liar, I have yet again prooven that what I was saying was correct and yet you guys when prooven wrong still do nothing but flame or only read what you want to.. I did not ask for advice on marriage or the laws on oklahoma marriage..

however, I do show where I was correct and where the lawyer was correct..I understand that most of you know some of the laws, but not everyone knows everything.. just as you guys do not know about the military apparently either..

now does anyone actually know anything about the question I asked about the guardianship? or is everyone just more interested in the marriage stuff?

EDIT* and yes his lawyer does discuss all of this with me and me with her.. she knows the situation and she knows that I explain it all a lot better than he does ;)
 


TinkerBelleLuvr

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You are on a LEGAL site. Since the BOYFRIEND is MARRIED to someone else, you cannot be called a FIANCEE. It's real simple.

As for the guardianship, allow the attorney to handle it.
 

jekyl007

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You are on a LEGAL site. Since the BOYFRIEND is MARRIED to someone else, you cannot be called a FIANCEE. It's real simple.

As for the guardianship, allow the attorney to handle it.
tell you what.. show me ANYWHERE that states its illegal to be engaged if you are still married to someone else.. now if you want to show me a legal law that says that then please do so.. if not then please keep your opinions about someone being engaged who isnt completely divorced yet to yourself :rolleyes:
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
tell you what.. show me ANYWHERE that states its illegal to be engaged if you are still married to someone else.. now if you want to show me a legal law that says that then please do so.. if not then please keep your opinions about someone being engaged who isnt completely divorced yet to yourself :rolleyes:
Are you really this stupid?

When one is in a LEGALLY binding relationship one can NOT enter into another "binding" relationship. Period. He is married. He can't formally "promise" to marry another person till he LEGALLY dissolves his FIRST LEGAL relationship. Period. You are, at BEST, a GF. LEGALLY you are a LOVER.
 

Monte86

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Just saying...

You have done quite a bit of research to prove people here wrong.....why can't you research the answers to the questions that you have come here to ask? Espically since everything everyone says seems so offensive to you?
 

jekyl007

Member
Are you really this stupid?

When one is in a LEGALLY binding relationship one can NOT enter into another "binding" relationship. Period. He is married. He can't formally "promise" to marry another person till he LEGALLY dissolves his FIRST LEGAL relationship. Period. You are, at BEST, a GF. LEGALLY you are a LOVER.
show me the law with the codes that state that.. engagement is a promise of marriage.. as long as the person knows that they can not get married until their divorce is finalized then there is nothing illegal about it.. but anyhow that will be taken care of the first day of April..

I would ask if anyone has information for the actual question I asked but seeing as you all keep saying opinions instead of law then I will defintly wait for the lawyer tomorrow.. funny how you guys say the lawyer is wrong also on Oklahoma expediting divorces for soldiers deploying..

I would suggest that if you are going to answer anyone on any laws to first make sure you have your facts straight before you post.. I have shown where divorces can be done quickly in Oklahoma as long as custody isnt involved. I have told you all what a REAL lawyer has said about being able to expedite divorces for deploying soldiers.. Yet you all still think you are right.. I hope that people who post on here in the future read the laws themselves because a lot of times you guys get information wrong..
 

jekyl007

Member
You have done quite a bit of research to prove people here wrong.....why can't you research the answers to the questions that you have come here to ask? Espically since everything everyone says seems so offensive to you?
the one I asked was about guardianship.. I had already said that I found out the other information on my own.. but that I can not find out if the guardianship has to be done in the jurisdiction where the custody is held.. or if it can be done in Oklahoma since both parents (mom and dad) are agreeing to it.. that is my question if you read my original post
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Article 134— Adultery

Elements.

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;

(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
Your LOVER could be charged with a crime for bedding you. Got it?

In addition, is your LOVER sending BAH to the WIFE to provide for her support?

There are many things wrong with this. Shall I continue?
 

jekyl007

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Your LOVER could be charged with a crime for bedding you. Got it?

In addition, is your LOVER sending BAH to the WIFE to provide for her support?

There are many things wrong with this. Shall I continue?
1. His command will not charge him with adultery because she left him for another man and he moved on with his life

2. She does not want BAH.. She doesnt want any money from him since we are the ones raising the 2 year old..

3. in order for her to proove adultery, she also has to show herself as an adulterous.

4. being engaged does not mean you are having sex with someone (yes in our case we apparently do because we have a child together as well) I said to show me something that states being engaged while married still is illegal ;)
 

Artemis_ofthe_Hunt

Senior Member
1. His command will not charge him with adultery because she left him for another man and he moved on with his life

2. She does not want BAH.. She doesnt want any money from him since we are the ones raising the 2 year old..

3. in order for her to proove adultery, she also has to show herself as an adulterous.

4. being engaged does not mean you are having sex with someone (yes in our case we apparently do because we have a child together as well) I said to show me something that states being engaged while married still is illegal ;)
SHE does not fall under UCMJ jurisdiction unless she's military herself. Which you haven't stated. So THAT particular point is, well... moot.

Taken from UCMJ for purposes of PROVING she is not under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ and military authority:
802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER

(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:

(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.

(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.

(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.

(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.

(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.

(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.

(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial.

(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces.

(9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.

(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field.

(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

(b) The voluntary enlistment of any person who has the capacity to understand the significance of enlisting in the armed forces shall be valid for purposes of jurisdiction under subsection (a) and change of status from civilian to member of the armed forces shall be effective upon the taking of the oath of enlistment.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person serving with an armed force who--

(1) Submitted voluntarily to military authority;

(2) met the mental competence and minimum age qualifications of sections 504 and 505 of this title at the time of voluntary submissions to military authority:

(3) received military pay or allowances; and

(4) performed military duties: is subject to this chapter until such person's active service has been terminated in accordance with law or regulations promulgated by the Secretary concerned.

(d)(1) A member of a reserve component who is not on active duty and who is made the subject of proceedings under section 815 (article 15) or section 830 (article 30) with respect to an offense against this chapter may be ordered to active duty involuntary for the purpose of-

(A) investigation under section 832 of this title (article 32);

(B) trial by court-martial; or

(C) non judicial punishment under section 815 of this title (article 15).

(2) A member of a reserve component may not be ordered to active duty under paragraph (1) except with respect to an offense committed while the member was

(A) on active duty; or

(B) on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal service.

(3) Authority to order a member to active duty under paragraph (1) shall be exercised under regulations prescribed by the President.

(4) A member may be ordered to active duty under paragraph (1) only by a person empowered to convene general courts-martial in a regular component of the armed forces.

(5) A member ordered to active duty under paragraph (1), unless the order to active duty was approved by the Secretary concerned, may not--

(A) be sentenced to confinement; or

(B) be required to serve a punishment of any restriction on liberty during a period other than a period of inactive-duty training or active duty (other than active duty ordered under paragraph (1)).
 
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jekyl007

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SHE does not fall under UCMJ jurisdiction unless she's military herself. Which you haven't stated. So THAT particular point is, well... moot.
He can only be charged if he was cheating with another soldiers wife!!! Trust me we went through this with his command a few months back.. They checked to make sure that my ex husband was already out and our divorce was final before me and my fiance got together.. so since I was already divorced and we didnt get together until afterwards then command said from a military view they could not charge him for adultery..
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Adultery is stepping OUT of the marriage. Whether the military CHOOSES to do anything is their business. On the LEGAL site, we are stating that a CRIME is being committed.

Your sweety sure could have gotten the divorce done in the past two years, but chose not to.

As stated, the two children that the WIFE (REMEMBER HER) has had NEEDS to be addressed in the divorce to make sure that all lose ends are tied up. It can come back to haunt your LOVER.
 

jekyl007

Member
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Adultery is stepping OUT of the marriage. Whether the military CHOOSES to do anything is their business. On the LEGAL site, we are stating that a CRIME is being committed.

Your sweety sure could have gotten the divorce done in the past two years, but chose not to.

As stated, the two children that the WIFE (REMEMBER HER) has had NEEDS to be addressed in the divorce to make sure that all lose ends are tied up. It can come back to haunt your LOVER.
you guys are truely clueless when it comes to laws in other states.. might I make a suggestion on sticking only with the laws you are sure you actually know.. you were saying that he could get in trouble from his command.. I told you how he could not and how they know about everything.. as for adultery it is easily prooven that she committed adultery first so therefore she would never charge him for it.. as for the two children that she has that are not his, 1 doesnt even need to be brought up since the father of that one already took the paternity test to proove he was the father.. and the second one if we have to cross that road, her dad will do the same.. In PA even if you are married, the husband is not concidered the legal father unless he is there to sign the birth certificate. or unless mom says yes that is dad.. not all states have the same laws when it comes to married people having children with someone else outside their marriage.

EDIT* as for having 2 years to get the divorce filed no we did not have that long to do it.. by PA laws (which we lived there for about 8 months) they ahd to be seperated for 2 years.. then when we moved here we had to legally be here for such and such time to be residents or whatever in order for him to file here.. at that time she said she was going to file, then claimed the papers must have gotten lost.. so yes now we are taking it into our hands to do so
 
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Just Blue

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you guys are truely clueless when it comes to laws in other states.. might I make a suggestion on sticking only with the laws you are sure you actually know.. you were saying that he could get in trouble from his command.. I told you how he could not and how they know about everything.. as for adultery it is easily prooven that she committed adultery first so therefore she would never charge him for it.. as for the two children that she has that are not his, 1 doesnt even need to be brought up since the father of that one already took the paternity test to proove he was the father.. and the second one if we have to cross that road, her dad will do the same.. In PA even if you are married, the husband is not concidered the legal father unless he is there to sign the birth certificate. or unless mom says yes that is dad.. not all states have the same laws when it comes to married people having children with someone else outside their marriage.
Please go and ask your questions to your LOVERS attorney.
 
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