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Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Can you quote that statute that says he will be divorced by April 1? Can you quote the statute that states the divorce will be expedited for him and that it will only take 10 days? Because I can't find it. And I have just been throughout the statutes on divorce for OK. There is no such thing in the statutes.
 


Artemis_ofthe_Hunt

Senior Member
He can only be charged if he was cheating with another soldiers wife!!! Trust me we went through this with his command a few months back.. They checked to make sure that my ex husband was already out and our divorce was final before me and my fiance got together.. so since I was already divorced and we didnt get together until afterwards then command said from a military view they could not charge him for adultery..
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ

Elements.

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;

(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Explanation.

(1) Nature of offense. Adultery is clearly unacceptable conduct, and it reflects adversely on the service record of the military member.

(2) Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces. To constitute an offense under the UCMJ, the adulterous conduct must either be directly prejudicial to good order and discipline or service discrediting. Adulterous conduct that is directly prejudicial includes conduct that has an obvious, and measurably divisive effect on unit or organization discipline, morale, or cohesion, or is clearly detrimental to the authority or stature of or respect toward a servicemember. Adultery may also be service discrediting, even though the conduct is only indirectly or remotely prejudicial to good order and discipline. Discredit means to injure the reputation of the armed forces and includes adulterous conduct that has a tendency, because of its open or notorious nature, to bring the service into disrepute, make it subject to public ridicule, or lower it in public esteem. While adulterous conduct that is private and discreet in nature may not be service discrediting by this standard, under the circumstances, it may be determined to be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline. Commanders should consider all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to the following factors, when determining whether adulterous acts are prejudicial to good order and discipline or are of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces:

(a) The accused's marital status, military rank, grade, or position;

(b) The co-actor's marital status, military rank, grade, and position, or relationship to the armed forces;

(c) The military status of the accused's spouse or the spouse of co-actor, or their relationship to the armed forces;

(d) The impact, if any, of the adulterous relationship on the ability of the accused, the co-actor, or the spouse of either to perform their duties in support of the armed forces;

(e) The misuse, if any, of government time and resources to facilitate the commission of the conduct;

(f) Whether the conduct persisted despite counseling or orders to desist; the flagrancy of the conduct, such as whether any notoriety ensued; and whether the adulterous act was accompanied by other violations of the UCMJ;

(g) The negative impact of the conduct on the units or organizations of the accused, the co-actor or the spouse of either of them, such as a detrimental effect on unit or organization morale, teamwork, and efficiency;

(h) Whether the accused or co-actor was legally separated; and

(i) Whether the adulterous misconduct involves an ongoing or recent relationship or is remote in time.

(3) Marriage. A marriage exists until it is dissolved in accordance with the laws of a competent state or foreign jurisdiction.

(4) Mistake of fact. A defense of mistake of fact exists if the accused had an honest and reasonable belief either that the accused and the co-actor were both unmarried, or that they were lawfully married to each other. If this defense is raised by the evidence, then the burden of proof is upon the United States to establish that the accused's belief was unreasonable or not honest.".

Lesser included offense.



End result? YOU didn't have to be married at the time of your affair for HIM to be charged. HE is the service member SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UCMJ.
 

jekyl007

Member
Can you quote that statute that says he will be divorced by April 1? Can you quote the statute that states the divorce will be expedited for him and that it will only take 10 days? Because I can't find it. And I have just been throughout the statutes on divorce for OK. There is no such thing in the statutes.
I posted on here the link and the paragraph that had it in it.. not sure on which page.. I did not say his would be done in 10 days.. ofcourse his wont be done that quick.. we have to send the papers to PA for her to sign and then her send them back.. then (from what the lawyer said) since he is deploying and they both agree to the divorce that he will get put on the docket to be seen within 10 days after the papers are returned.. That day the judge will say "we will set a date for this day and time" then the lawyer will say "your honor, he is deploying and will not be here at that time" she said then the judge will say "ok well since both signed then I will go ahead and sign this now" she just did another divorce a few weeks back for another soldier deploying. and another one back in Nov.. she said everytime the judge has done the samething as long as both parties agree and there is no custody issue (which there isnt) and no property issues or anything else
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
By the MILITARY law, the only one who is bound by it is YOUR LOVERBOY. The wife is NOT covered under their jurisdiction, therefore, it does NOT matter WHO stepped out of the marriage first. LOVERBOY could have filed in Pennsylvania AND completed it there since the WIFE was still there.
 

jekyl007

Member
Artemis_ofthe_Hunt;2730689 End result? YOU didn't have to be married at the time of your affair for HIM to be charged. HE is the service member SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UCMJ.[/QUOTE said:
His command said he has nothing to worry about.. either way he wont be charged for anything. not from the military and not from her.. but I am however waiting for something that shows its illegal for someone to be engaged before their divorce is final
 

Artemis_ofthe_Hunt

Senior Member
Further:

There are three "Elements of Proof" for the offense of Adultery in the Military:

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;
(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and
(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
Element #2 is usually pretty easy for the government to prove. There is normally sufficient written evidence to prove whether or not someone is legally married. (Many folks will be surprised to learn that in the military, a single person can be charged with the crime of adultery).

Element #1 can be very hard to prove. Remember, a court martial (like civilian court) requires *proof* beyond a reasonable doubt. Proof of sexual intercourse normally requires photographs, a confession of one of the parties involved, an eye-witness, or other legally admissible proof.


How about that child of yours?? How's THAT FOR PROOF?

(The mere fact that someone stayed over at another individuals house, or even slept with them in the same bed is not proof of sexual intercourse.
Element #3, in many cases, can be the most difficult item to prove. The government must show that the individual's conduct had some direct negative impact on the military. This normally would include cases of fraternization (officer & enlisted) or a relationship with another military member, or a military spouse.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
you guys are truely clueless when it comes to laws in other states.. might I make a suggestion on sticking only with the laws you are sure you actually know.. you were saying that he could get in trouble from his command.. I told you how he could not and how they know about everything.. as for adultery it is easily prooven that she committed adultery first so therefore she would never charge him for it.. as for the two children that she has that are not his, 1 doesnt even need to be brought up since the father of that one already took the paternity test to proove he was the father.. and the second one if we have to cross that road, her dad will do the same.. In PA even if you are married, the husband is not concidered the legal father unless he is there to sign the birth certificate. or unless mom says yes that is dad.. not all states have the same laws when it comes to married people having children with someone else outside their marriage.

EDIT* as for having 2 years to get the divorce filed no we did not have that long to do it.. by PA laws (which we lived there for about 8 months) they ahd to be seperated for 2 years.. then when we moved here we had to legally be here for such and such time to be residents or whatever in order for him to file here.. at that time she said she was going to file, then claimed the papers must have gotten lost.. so yes now we are taking it into our hands to do so
According to statute,
102. Residency Requirement of Plaintiff or Defendant - Army Post or Military Reservation.

A. Except as otherwise provided by subsection B of this section, the petitioner or the respondent in an action for divorce or annulment of a marriage must have been an actual resident, in good faith, of the state, for six (6) months immediately preceding the filing of the petition.

B. Any person who has been a resident of any United States army post or military reservation within the State of Oklahoma, for six (6) months immediately preceding the filing of the petition, may bring action for divorce or annulment of a marriage or may be sued for divorce or annulment of a marriage.
So you lived there for 8 months of the two years so HE could have filed months ago for a divorce.
 

jekyl007

Member
By the MILITARY law, the only one who is bound by it is YOUR LOVERBOY. The wife is NOT covered under their jurisdiction, therefore, it does NOT matter WHO stepped out of the marriage first. LOVERBOY could have filed in Pennsylvania AND completed it there since the WIFE was still there.
I love it how you guys just love to keep getting off the topic of the main question.. and when prooven wrong you just knit pick everything else.. This is no place to come to for advice.. As soon as I get my degree next year for paralegal then I will make sure to hop back on here and actually help people out instead of flaming them or only taking somethings out and never actually answering a question.. I suggest some of you do some more research on Oklahoma and PA laws before anyone else asks anything ;) Have a good day.. and I will pray for someone to actual get advice on here and not get flamed when they proove someone wrong.. lol
 

jekyl007

Member
According to statute,

So you lived there for 8 months of the two years so HE could have filed months ago for a divorce.
nope. he was Army National Guard.. not active guard.. or active duty.. He is going to be concidered Active duty the middle of next month when they leave for training.. there is a difference between ANG and AD.. Guard is one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year.. what you quoted was for active duty military
 

Artemis_ofthe_Hunt

Senior Member
I love it how you guys just love to keep getting off the topic of the main question.. and when prooven wrong you just knit pick everything else.. This is no place to come to for advice.. As soon as I get my degree next year for paralegal then I will make sure to hop back on here and actually help people out instead of flaming them or only taking somethings out and never actually answering a question.. I suggest some of you do some more research on Oklahoma and PA laws before anyone else asks anything ;) Have a good day.. and I will pray for someone to actual get advice on here and not get flamed when they proove someone wrong.. lol
You are just too thick to understand what you've been told here. :rolleyes:

Semantics aside... ok, your fiance :rolleyes: is still LEGALLY MARRIED to his WIFE. You and he set up house and are raising HIS son.

Divorce first. Custody of the child WILL be dealt with appropriately during DIVORCE proceedings. Proving or disproving progeny OF THE MARRIAGE will also be dealt with during divorce proceedings.
Get married, second.
Third, DAD needs to have a GUARDIANSHIP set up PRIOR to deployment.

Got it now?
 

Artemis_ofthe_Hunt

Senior Member
nope. he was Army National Guard.. not active guard.. or active duty.. He is going to be concidered Active duty the middle of next month when they leave for training.. there is a difference between ANG and AD.. Guard is one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year.. what you quoted was for active duty military
He still falls under the UCMJ, sweetcheeks. AD or NG... doesn't matter. ;)
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
I love it how you guys just love to keep getting off the topic of the main question.. and when prooven wrong you just knit pick everything else.. This is no place to come to for advice.. As soon as I get my degree next year for paralegal then I will make sure to hop back on here and actually help people out instead of flaming them or only taking somethings out and never actually answering a question.. I suggest some of you do some more research on Oklahoma and PA laws before anyone else asks anything ;) Have a good day.. and I will pray for someone to actual get advice on here and not get flamed when they proove someone wrong.. lol
"You" have an attorney. Ask "your" attorney tomorrow. :rolleyes:
 

jekyl007

Member
He still falls under the UCMJ, sweetcheeks. AD or NG... doesn't matter. ;)
I am talking about what she said with this

102. Residency Requirement of Plaintiff or Defendant - Army Post or Military Reservation.

A. Except as otherwise provided by subsection B of this section, the petitioner or the respondent in an action for divorce or annulment of a marriage must have been an actual resident, in good faith, of the state, for six (6) months immediately preceding the filing of the petition.

B. Any person who has been a resident of any United States army post or military reservation within the State of Oklahoma, for six (6) months immediately preceding the filing of the petition, may bring action for divorce or annulment of a marriage or may be sued for divorce or annulment of a marriage.



what she posted falls under active duty. not guard.. with national guard you can transfer wherever there is a a guard branch.. with active duty you cant just get up and move unless they relocate you.. that is to help with active duty.. with guard you still have to follow the state laws that are set forth with regards to divorce.. when we were here long enough and were going to file she said she filed in PA.. that was right after the 2 years was up for her.. also if you must know everything, I raise 4 kids, go to school at nite, and stay home with them during the day.. He works 2 jobs.. guard and his "regular" job.. so a lot of times it comes down to "we can file, but we may not make it to next pay day" and my kids come before anything else when it comes to what they need.. so I would have rather waited until now when it can be done for almost nothing, then to have taken stuff away from any of my kids.. its that plain and simple since you think you must know every detail of why we put it off for awhile ;)
 

jekyl007

Member
You are just too thick to understand what you've been told here. :rolleyes:

Semantics aside... ok, your fiance :rolleyes: is still LEGALLY MARRIED to his WIFE. You and he set up house and are raising HIS son.

Divorce first. Custody of the child WILL be dealt with appropriately during DIVORCE proceedings. Proving or disproving progeny OF THE MARRIAGE will also be dealt with during divorce proceedings.
Get married, second.
Third, DAD needs to have a GUARDIANSHIP set up PRIOR to deployment.

Got it now?
custody is already dealt with.. that is taken care of in PA.. its all under that jurisdiction.. she does not want him back.. nor does she want to file for her visitation at this point in time.. so then guardianship should be taken care of after the divorce? that is the kind of information I was actually looking for.. but will guardianship fall under the jurisdiction of PA? or is guardianship able to be handled in OK? that is the part I can find nothing about..
 
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