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So, I thought after our custody trial in January, things would calm down. They haven't, and have actually gotten so much worse.

I took a lot of the advice I got from the volunteers here and sought a restraining order against my ex. Judge granted a TRO. Dad evaded service, so a new hearing date was scheduled. I was finally able to get dad served. He violates the TRO a few hours after being served with it. He accused me of doing "nasty" things to our daughter, making her sick. Then told me he was going to "own me" and said "You're in for it now". I reported it, and the violation has been forwarded to the county DA.

Since then, he's violated two more times on two occasions where I seen him following me.

Two Friday's ago, I dropped off our daughter with him for his visitation. I continued into a neighboring town, 20 miles away for a doctor's appointment. While getting out of my car, I see dad's car drive by. Wife was driving, dad in the passenger seat, and both kids in the back seat (our 4 year old, and her infant half sister). They parked at the end of the parking lot. I went in for my appointment and came back out 20 minutes later. They were gone, but as I was exiting the parking lot, they were parked near the exit in a different parking space. As I left, they left and followed me back onto the highway. After a while, they turned onto a new highway in the direction of their house.

During phone conversations with our daughter, Dad grills her on where I go throughout the day. Last Saturday, I left for approximatley 2 hours to attend an event I volunteer at every year for the last 15 years. That night, when Dad called to talk to daughter, he asks her "where did mommy go today." Daughter says she doesn't know. Dad says "I seen Mommy leave today, where did she go?". Daughter says again "I don't know". Dad gets irate, and accuses daughter of lying for me. He then tells her that she is always supposed to tell him where I go, and who I leave her with. Daughter started to cry, so I had her end the conversation.

On Monday, Dad calls to talk to daughter. He asks her "who's cat is Mommy feeding in your backyard". Daughter says "that's our kitty...she found us when we moved here". She tells her dad about the cat and so on....then tells her dad that she's done talking. He gets irate, and tells her she needs to stay on the phone until he's done talking to her. He then asks her if I went anywhere that day. Daughter says "I don't know". Dad get's mad, and starts telling her that she is supposed to tell him everytime I leave. Daughter tells dad she's done talking, and ends the conversation.

On Tuesday, Dad calls to talk to daughter. Daughter tells dad about her day at school. Dad interrupts her and asks her if I went anywhere that day. She says "I don't know". He then asks her "who was that lady who came to Mommy's house today". Daughter beams, and says "That was Leila". (an old coworker of mine). Dad tells daughter that "mommy isn't allowed to have strangers around her". Daughter tells dad that Leila isn't a stranger. She tells her dad that she's done talking and wants to end the conversation. He gets irate and tells her that she has to stay on the phone. She starts to cry, so I have her end the conversation.

Thursday, he calls to talk to daughter. She talks for a few minutes about her day, then she starts to cry. I was in the other room, so I walk into her room. She says to her dad "But I don't want Mommy to die". By that time she is sobbing and saying "No Daddy!". I grab the phone and hang up on him. She's still crying, and I ask her why she is so upset. She says that her dad told her I was going to die, and she needed to come live with him. I tell her that I'm not going to die. She says "No, daddy says you're going to get killed". I hug her and reassure her that I'm not going to die, and maybe she misunderstood what dad meant. I didn't know what to say or what to do....I was shocked.

On Friday, he followed me to a gas station and demanded that I hand over daughter. He was accusing me of buying drugs at the gas station and going on and on about me being a shady b. I didn't want there to be a scene, so let daughter go with her dad because it was only a half hour early.

I'm at a loss now, my restraining order seems to be useless. From the phone conversations between dad and daughter, I believe he has been following me and watching my house. Our orders are specific when it comes to interregating our child about the other parent. I just don't know if I should pursue filing contempt or not. There are others areas where dad has violated our court order, but I didn't want to be nit picky. The phone conversations are concerning me now.....and I just don't know what to do. I'm afraid of my ex, and I'm afraid seeking help from the courts is only going to make him snap.
 


stealth2

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Are you filing police reports every time he violates? Filing for contempt? THe RO won't do a thing unless you DO report it every blessed time!

In the meantime, I'd suggest counseling for the child.
 
I have filed reports each time that I know dad violated the TRO's by following me or calling me and threatening me. As far as the conversations he has with daughter, I didn't file reports for those individually but did mention them in the last report I filed with the police.

I totally agree with counceling, and have contacted my therapist for referals. She gave me the contact info for a child psychologist who used to do work for the family court. I called his office, and he has no available appointments until June. Right now, I'm waiting on word from my insurance company if they'll cover the cost of counceling. Even if they don't, I'd do whatever it takes to pay for it. One thing I worry about it having to inform dad about it. I've mentioned counceling before to him months ago, when he was making sexual abuse allegations, and he refused to allow daughter to go.
 

Isis1

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I have filed reports each time that I know dad violated the TRO's by following me or calling me and threatening me. As far as the conversations he has with daughter, I didn't file reports for those individually but did mention them in the last report I filed with the police.

I totally agree with counceling, and have contacted my therapist for referals. She gave me the contact info for a child psychologist who used to do work for the family court. I called his office, and he has no available appointments until June. Right now, I'm waiting on word from my insurance company if they'll cover the cost of counceling. Even if they don't, I'd do whatever it takes to pay for it. One thing I worry about it having to inform dad about it. I've mentioned counceling before to him months ago, when he was making sexual abuse allegations, and he refused to allow daughter to go.
now you have the recent reports. have you file for contempt?
 
I just got a copy of the last report I filed (Friday) this morning. I contacted my attorney this morning and left a message about filing contempt. I haven't heard back yet. Last time I talked to my attorney was after our trial in January.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I just got a copy of the last report I filed (Friday) this morning. I contacted my attorney this morning and left a message about filing contempt. I haven't heard back yet. Last time I talked to my attorney was after our trial in January.
I think that he is stalking you and demanding info from your child because he is trying to find the "proof" that the judge has demanded of him so that he can file something again.

The guy is several screws loose...I am sorry for what you are going through.
 

RRevak

Senior Member
So what I want to know is why the man isnt in jail! How many times has he violated the RO? And its VERY time the court knows about those "conversations" he's having with the child..I mean she's 4 for pete's sake!
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

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Couple things come to mind here.

1. You need to call and report EACH and EVERY instance. When you said that you saw the X follow you, you get on the phone IMMEDIATELY and call the police. Tell them that you are being followed by your X against whom you have a TRO. Ask them where they would like you to head so that they can actually SEE the violation. Do as Misto stated and use your PHONE to take a picture.

2. Are the phone calls at the same time or there abouts. Have a witness who is willing to testify be at the house. Preferably, can they come in thru the back or something so that the X doesn't see them enter?

3. Don't go anywhere that someone doesn't know where you are headed.

4. Actually, have 911 on speed dial on your phone. I know that I can set up speed dials by letters on the phone. Set it up.

5. Have you considered taking a self defense course?

6. Have your attorney go back to court over the violations.

7. When in court, have the judge ORDER the counseling so that you do NOT need permission from the X to take her.
 
Did you take my advice and get cell phone pictures of him for evidence?
Yes, I did...thank you.

When he followed me to my dr's appointment, I took a picture of his parked car, and a wider angled picture which shows a part of the medical building and his car.

On Friday, I took a picture of him putting daughter into his vehicle which also show gas pumps in the backround, so it's clear it's not the exchange place.

All pictures are date stamped with the dates I took them. I'm not sure if the judge will actually look at the pictures on my cell phone, so I have to figure out how to get the date stamps to appear on the pictures when they are printed. I backed them up onto a memory stick just incase something happens to my cell phone.
 
Couple things come to mind here.

1. You need to call and report EACH and EVERY instance. When you said that you saw the X follow you, you get on the phone IMMEDIATELY and call the police. Tell them that you are being followed by your X against whom you have a TRO. Ask them where they would like you to head so that they can actually SEE the violation. Do as Misto stated and use your PHONE to take a picture.

2. Are the phone calls at the same time or there abouts. Have a witness who is willing to testify be at the house. Preferably, can they come in thru the back or something so that the X doesn't see them enter?

3. Don't go anywhere that someone doesn't know where you are headed.

4. Actually, have 911 on speed dial on your phone. I know that I can set up speed dials by letters on the phone. Set it up.

5. Have you considered taking a self defense course?

6. Have your attorney go back to court over the violations.

7. When in court, have the judge ORDER the counseling so that you do NOT need permission from the X to take her.

My husband has been witness to all the phone calls, and my mother and father in law were witness to the one that occured on Tuesday night.

Usually, if I leave my house I call someone (husband, sister, mom/dad) and talk to them on speaker until I reach my desitnation.

I have 911 on speed dial on my cell phone. I just press and hold 9. I realized that once when i didnt have my screen locked and something in my purse pressed the 9 button. :eek:

I compiled a list of contempt issues in chronological order of when they happened.

I havent taken a self defense course, but I do keep pepper spray in my purse. I'll look into classes in my area.

Excellent advice about having the judge order counceling so dad cant refuse it.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
If it were me, I would be heading down the police station with your list and start making some serious noise over the issue. He has violated the TRO HOW many times since it was issued?
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
If it were me, I would be heading down the police station with your list and start making some serious noise over the issue. He has violated the TRO HOW many times since it was issued?
Good suggestion. Ask for a supervisor.

TROs are serious matters. Violation of a TRO should have significant consequences. It's amazing that the police haven't hauled him away.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
This guy is giving ME the creeps and it isn't me that is being threatened.

Don't pass go here, but go directly to the police station. Can I assume that you have the make & model of the cars that he is driving. License plate numbers would be excellent.

Have you enlisted the help of any neighbors who can keep an eye out for his vehicles? I would.
 

RRevak

Senior Member
This guy is giving ME the creeps and it isn't me that is being threatened.

Don't pass go here, but go directly to the police station. Can I assume that you have the make & model of the cars that he is driving. License plate numbers would be excellent.

Have you enlisted the help of any neighbors who can keep an eye out for his vehicles? I would.
I think this has gone WAY beyond the "creeps". This guy sounds like he's bordering on straight out dangerous. Whats to stop him from getting angry enough that he hurts her? Obviously law enforcement doesnt give a hoot if he's violated the RO MULTIPLE times with no affect.

OP have you brought it up to the court about the possibility of making the exchanges at a supervised location such as a local police department or fire station etc?
 
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