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Proserpina

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Nebraska, evidently.


Stacy.

For you to state that a 7 year old who understands human biology and physiology MUST have been sexually abused is just ludicrous.

Have you been drinking or something? :confused:

I'm really hoping that you've just had a glass or two more than normal and you're venting. Because you cannot be serious.

And really - we totally believe that between your last post and this most recent one that you talked to an attorney in Nebraska.

We totally believe you.

The OG Effect again, ladies and gents.
 


stealth2

Under the Radar Member
A 10yo who is part of society (i.e. goes to public school) will have learned a heck of a lot from his/her peers. Bus rides to school provide a wealth of "information", from language, sexual mechanics, etc. Any parent who thinks their child has virgin ears by that point is completely deluded. Ditto if the child is allowed to watch most any tv or movie, or listen to any music besides "I love you, you love me, we're a happy fam-i-leeee" or "Who lives in a pineapple under the sea..."

Sadly, stacey's daughter is in for a very rude awakening when she discovers that her "Dad" may be as wonderful as described, but there is another man out there who conceived her. It would have been much easier on her if stacey had made it a fact of her life from the get-go. Talk about rocking her world. Poor kiddo. :(
 

mistoffolees

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Nebraska, evidently.


Stacy.

For you to state that a 7 year old who understands human biology and physiology MUST have been sexually abused is just ludicrous.
Let's ask the experts:


When should sex education start – What age do I talk with my children about sex

Particularly, click on the link for toddlers and school age children. They recommend that age-appropriate discussions begin when the child is a toddler and continue indefinitely. By the time the child is school age (5-9), they should know a LOT about it.
 
oh, and by the way, considering I do work at a hospital and I do know what I am talking about, people get thier kids taken away from them all the time cause they cant care for a child with medical conditions. Judges here are not about rights when It comes to the best interest of a child.
 

Ohiogal

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oh, and by the way, considering I do work at a hospital and I do know what I am talking about, people get thier kids taken away from them all the time cause they cant care for a child with medical conditions. Judges here are not about rights when It comes to the best interest of a child.
Bull. Judges have to be about rights -- a little thing called the Constitution -- or they would lose their law license for engaging in corrupt and unethical behavior. you are completely and totally clueless, irresponsible, and pathetic. Now please leave as you promised you were going to do so that we don't have to put up with your stupidity any longer. I feel sorry for your child.
 
and a child has the right to live with someone who will give them their medication and make sure they make it to appointments. The go to long term care or foster care and if the parents cannot prove that they will or are able to care for the child they get terminated. I see it all the time.
 
you guys are all pathetic and mean, I am sure that if you had to break any bad new to your children you scream it at them and tell them as harshly as you as you can.

I am not talking out of my ass. If a parent neglects to take care of or is mentally unstable enough to care for a medically fragile child the courts will intervene on the child's right to not be murdered or harms from their parents total disregard. just because you don't like anything else that I have to say, I cant help that you want to bash me because YOU didn't understand what I was getting at.
 

Antigone*

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you guys are all pathetic and mean, I am sure that if you had to break any bad new to your children you scream it at them and tell them as harshly as you as you can.

I am not talking out of my ass. If a parent neglects to take care of or is mentally unstable enough to care for a medically fragile child the courts will intervene on the child's right to not be murdered or harms from their parents total disregard. just because you don't like anything else that I have to say, I cant help that you want to bash me because YOU didn't understand what I was getting at.
Pot meet kettle. Pathetic and talking out of your a$$. Yes, you must be looking in the mirror:rolleyes:
 

nextwife

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As the parent of a child who has known since she was preverbal, I totally don't get why any parent thinks a child's Right To The Truth is in any way dependent on how good or bad, available or never in the picture, involved or not, the bioparent(s) may be.

I am especially amused by the notion that such knowledge requires a discussion of sex with their child! My kiddo's mom dropped her off at a "baby home" at about three days old. Neither biomom or biodad ever had anything to do with her (no way to know if biodad ever knew she existed). Never came to check on her welfare in the 25 months she lived in the baby home. So what if they were not there for her, as to the info she has a right to be told? It STILL does not justify leading her to think we are her bioparents. It has also never required premature discussions of sex. One simply talks about it in age appropriate terms, and example being "The Mommy whose tummy you grew in is a different lady and I'm the Mommy who got to be your forever Mom and love and care for you every day." when speaking to a younger child. How silly that any parent thinks actual talk about the mechanics of sex is required!

Additionally there are LOTS of learning aids, such as board books like "A Mother for Choco" and other books about families by choice one can read to their child very early on to start the discussion.
 
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stealth2

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you guys are all pathetic and mean, I am sure that if you had to break any bad new to your children you scream it at them and tell them as harshly as you as you can.
What bad news are you having to impart to your child? Nextwife's method involves no bad news, just the truth in a very matter of fact manner. It really does not have to be as dramatic as you think it does. And again, unless your child is extremely sheltered (which I will admit it seems as though your daughter is), a 10yo will know more about sex than you realize. Heck... I was pretty sheltered, and *I* knew a heck of a lot more about sex than my parents knew (and I'm approaching 50!).

I am not talking out of my ass. If a parent neglects to take care of or is mentally unstable enough to care for a medically fragile child the courts will intervene on the child's right to not be murdered or harms from their parents total disregard. just because you don't like anything else that I have to say, I cant help that you want to bash me because YOU didn't understand what I was getting at.
Also - did you mention in your original posts that there were medical issues? If you did, I don't recall it.

ETA - you did. But only as far as she "has had many medical issues". Not that they are ongoing or require some sort of specialized treatment by the parents.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
Why is a simple fact of life, such as being raised by someone who is not your set of biological parents "bad news". It's just knowledge. that's all. Like eye color, or being allergic to ragweed.
 
Let's ask the experts:


When should sex education start – What age do I talk with my children about sex

Particularly, click on the link for toddlers and school age children. They recommend that age-appropriate discussions begin when the child is a toddler and continue indefinitely. By the time the child is school age (5-9), they should know a LOT about it.
This is one of the best things my parents did for me. When I wanted birth control as a teenager, I wasn't embarrassed to actually ask for it because sex was treated as a natural biological act and, while my parents stressed waiting until able to support a baby which, obviously the typical teen can't, they were glad I was able to ask them for birth control to lessen the chance of being a teen mom. I ended up having my first child, who was planned, at 28.

Knowing about sex has nothing to do with sexual abuse. Stacy, you doing your daughter a great disservice. Your daughter's going to find out the wrong things from the wrong people. Also simply knowing about sex doesn't mean a kid can't still be a kid. Sex makes babies is just another piece of information for a child to learn. You have your head in the sand if you think that every single kid in town has helicopter-parents. Hate to break it to you, but even in extremely religious communities, teens have sex. They figure it out on their own.

Stacy, you can't will your child away. Your will doesn't matter at all. Your daughter's father may not be the best for her, but unless he is shown unfit or is willing to sign away his rights if you die, then your daughter will go to him. It's not even a matter of who is better. Courts don't operate on "is this man or that man better for the child." They'll look only at if her father is fit, and if he is and he wants custody, then he's going to get it.
 
Why is a simple fact of life, such as being raised by someone who is not your set of biological parents "bad news". It's just knowledge. that's all. Like eye color, or being allergic to ragweed.
There IS bad news here. Her mom's lied to her. It wouldn't be a big deal having a step-dad who loves her so much if she's known her entire life. But finding out her mom lied to her about it and that she has another set of grandparents out there, possibly more aunts and uncles and cousins, maybe even siblings, will rock this child's world. The truth can't be hidden forever. The child will eventually see her birth certificate, and she'll want to know why the only man she knows as dad isn't there.
 
you guys are all pathetic and mean, I am sure that if you had to break any bad new to your children you scream it at them and tell them as harshly as you as you can.
First, I wouldn't keep something like this from my child. My child is barely a year and a half old, and we talk in blunt terms around her about how she came to be. Mommy and Daddy didn't have vaginal sex and she came along 9 months later. Mommy's internal parts don't work right. She's going to grow up with talk about this not being wrong or shameful. What you've done is make step-parenting into something shameful.

Now if I had a secret like this to tell my child, I'd tell her gently, "I kept a secret from you because I thought you would be hurt. I think you should know the truth now. There are biological daddies and step-daddies, and both daddies can be real daddies. (Leave the legal term, "father", out of it. They're daddies for this talk.) Biological daddies make the babies with the mommies. (You can tell her that's a conversation for the next day.) But sometimes biological daddies aren't ready to be daddies, so don't stay around. (Don't badmouth the man. You and he created her, and you don't want her thinking her father is bad, so she much be bad too.) Sometimes, when a mommy isn't in a relationship with the daddy, she'll marry another man, who will be another daddy. Well, you have two daddies, a biological daddy you haven't met, and a second daddy."

Be prepared to answer any questions she has HONESTLY.

Really, if her father comes back into the picture and wants visitation, it may hurt your case severely when the judge finds out the child doesn't even know about her father's existence.


I am not talking out of my ass. If a parent neglects to take care of or is mentally unstable enough to care for a medically fragile child the courts will intervene on the child's right to not be murdered or harms from their parents total disregard. just because you don't like anything else that I have to say, I cant help that you want to bash me because YOU didn't understand what I was getting at.
Not a single one of us here wants to see a child suffer. That's why there's so much vitriol toward you. You've lied to your daughter, and want support for continuing to do so. We're concerned about what's going to happen when she finds out. If it's due to an emergency, she's going to be hit at least twice, first by something happening to you, then by learning you told a major lie her entire life. If you die, the courts won't default custody to your husband. Your daughter will likely find herself, while mourning for a mother she's confused about telling her a lie, uprooted from her family and friends and whisked away to a stranger she only found existed.

If her father isn't capable of meeting her medical needs, a judge will assign a social worker to help him get the help he needs. If he still can't care for his daughter, then alternate arrangements will happen.

The father has rights. A child has rights to appropriate care. Biological parents have the right FIRST to meet the child's rights. It's really not a matter of who can do it best. If it were, then most children would find themselves the center of custody battles as legal strangers try to argue they could do it better than the parents.
 
First, I wouldn't keep something like this from my child. My child is barely a year and a half old, and we talk in blunt terms around her about how she came to be. Mommy and Daddy didn't have vaginal sex and she came along 9 months later. Mommy's internal parts don't work right. She's going to grow up with talk about this not being wrong or shameful. What you've done is make step-parenting into something shameful.
as said before, I did tell her when she was little. it was not an issue that needed to beat into the ground because he is absent. I mean really, do the parents here with absent NCP's talk about the other parent daily until the kid has it beat into thier head? Just curious. She did call my husband by his first name until my son was born when she was 5.5. I guess, thinking back, I figured she knew, her other set of grandparents were involved alot back then, just not the father. I am not afraid of him wanting his visitation, he has had that order for 8 years and I have been ok with him visiting from the get go, however, the only time he visited I took her to him. I am highly doubtful that he would leave to come here because if he had wanted to he could have and his parents have the funds to make it happen.

Really, if her father comes back into the picture and wants visitation, it may hurt your case severely when the judge finds out the child doesn't even know about her father's existence.
I wonder how come it wouldn't hurt his case that he never sought the visitation that he had or paid his child support. And yet once again, I wasn't going to remind her daily that the man that has raised her wasn't her biological donor.

I am going to go talk to a counselor, they are professionals. I mean Queen of England so far is the only one on here that is at least decent in her talking to another person. I know I need to touch base with her again. I guess we have just been having such a good life that I didn't see any reason to confuse her or cause her to feel that there was someone out there didn't give a ****.
 
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