hazing

[Humusluvr]

You are completely, I feel, missing the point.

She is just picking the parts of the handbook she wants to believe. Her son endangered, and was affiliated with the football team. End of story.

 

[CdwJava]

It was as a result of his affiliation with the football team. It's not like they went out into the quad and asked for a volunteer. They picked a kid already with the team. And I seriously doubt the offer to tape someone to a chair was open to everyone.

Part of the team or not, he would have been unable to decline the "offer" to get tied up and still maintain his standing (if he had any) with the team. That's the nature of such things.

Understand that harm or injury is not usually a required element for such rules.

The fact that the kid was not harmed, appears to be actively agreeing this was consensual, and was uninjured are all mitigating factors that might prevent your son from being suspended for a lengthy period of time or to suffer whatever the maximum penalty for such an offense is at your school.

As I mentioned, the way to appeal this is through the procedure provided by the school and the district. Trying to convince US that the suspension was unfair will avail you of nothing. Your legal recourse is to adhere to the procedures provided by school and district policy to contest the suspension.

 

[concernedinlv]

So you tell me why then when there was an incident where students put baby oil on the steps to see who would all fall on their as_ _es that that was not considered hazing and why those students were not suspended nor kicked out of school. They knowingly and admittedly put all students and teachers in a dangerous situation by emptying bottles of baby oil all over the steps - doesn't make sense to me. They intended to harm someone, these football players did not intend to nor did they actually hurt anyone.

 

[I'mTheFather]

Oh Lordy Me, did you read this?

As I mentioned, the way to appeal this is through the procedure provided by the school and the district. Trying to convince US that the suspension was unfair will avail you of nothing. Your legal recourse is to adhere to the procedures provided by school and district policy to contest the suspension.

 

[stealth2]

the definition of hazing is per the athletic handbook at the school is;HAZING An activity in which a person intentionally or recklessly endangers the physical health of another person for the
purpose of initiation into or affiliation with a student organization, academic association, or athletic team of a school.

Read the definition above, and then your description of what happened:

Well a few of the other players took the tape from him and taped him in the chair. <snip> Team mates proceeded to loosely tape his wrists and ankles to a rolling chair then pushed him into the quad area and walked away from him,

Do you truly not understand how this action fits the definition of hazing?

 

[Humusluvr]

So you tell me why then when there was an incident where students put baby oil on the steps to see who would all fall on their as_ _es that that was not considered hazing and why those students were not suspended nor kicked out of school. They knowingly and admittedly put all students and teachers in a dangerous situation by emptying bottles of baby oil all over the steps - doesn't make sense to me. They intended to harm someone, these football players did not intend to nor did they actually hurt anyone.

They were not affiliated with a team. None of us, including you, know what happened to these students. You seem to think you have a magical video monitor into the inner workings of the principal. You most certainly don't, and wouldn't be privy to the discipline of other students anyways.

 

[concernedinlv]

Have none of you ever thought being pushed or spun around in a rolling chair fun when you were a teenager? Just like kids putting another kid in a shopping cart and pushing it as fast as they go?? The victim brought the tape and proposed the question with the intent on taping up someone, it could have been anyone in that room, the other team members felt why dont you see what its like to be taped to a chair and pushed around.....why were the photos of all the kids grinning and laughing deleted? Why did the freshman and junior varsity teams have their season ended by the principal? I am saying the punishment is to extreme for the crime - I could see it if they meant to harm someone - I have been told countless stories of pranks the team has pulled on each other some are far worse than this

 

[stealth2]

I swear, if OP's son takes after him/her, then the stereotypes about football players being lunkheads is true.

 

[cyjeff]

OP, I agree with the above.... including the statement that you really don't understand it.

First, you say it wasn't hazing because the victim was laughing. That is like saying it wasn't a bank robbery because the teller hated working there. The two actions have nothing to do with each other. An incident is an incident whether or not the victim is okay with being a victim.

Second, do you have ANY idea how many kids have been hurt when this "innocent fun" goes bad? Where kid's mouths have been taped up and all airways were stopped up?

The school acted properly. Your son did not.

Telling him that this behavior is okay and you really think this shouldn't be a crime will just continue the behavior until someone DOES get hurt.

I tell you what. If you are so on board with it, why not offer YOUR services as the next victim? They can tape YOU to a chair at some random time in the future and roll you out to the quad.

You okay with that?

 

[concernedinlv]

actually oh so wise one, I am privy to what disipline those kids faced as one of them is a close family friend so I DO know that all those kids with malicious intent were only subjected to 2 weeks of in house suspension - amazing as their act could have SERIOUSLY injured someone, broke someones arm, leg, back caused concusions ect...so you DONT know me and what I do know for you to say I am NOT privy - I would NOT have brought it up had I not KNOWN first hand what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[cyjeff]

Have none of you ever thought being pushed or spun around in a rolling chair fun when you were a teenager?

Was it my choice or are you asking if I was duct taped into it by force at the time?

Just like kids putting another kid in a shopping cart and pushing it as fast as they go??

Where in the heck do you live? On the backstage of an off broadway reproduction of "FootLoose?"

No, I have never forced another person into a shopping cart and then tried to kill them. Not even once.

And I not only played football, I have 5 brothers.

What kind of a sadistic pit of despair do you people live in? Do you housebreak a puppy with a bull whip and a spritzer full of lemon juice?

I don't even what to hear about what your dating rituals include.

The victim brought the tape and proposed the question with the intent on taping up someone, it could have been anyone in that room, the other team members felt why dont you see what its like to be taped to a chair and pushed around.....why were the photos of all the kids grinning and laughing deleted?

Dunno. The coach was probably trying to destroy ALL the evidence to protect the stupes. I can't tell you... you will have to ask the coach.

Why did the freshman and junior varsity teams have their season ended by the principal?

Because he/she can. Apparently, when he/she told the parents about the hazing, the parents all responded with "it really isn't a big deal" and so he/she wanted to stop the madness before someone really got hurt.

Smart principal, that.

With every line, I am thinking you guys are living "A Clockwork Orange". I think the entire TOWN may need counseling or, at least, an enema.

I am saying the punishment is to extreme for the crime - I could see it if they meant to harm someone - I have been told countless stories of pranks the team has pulled on each other some are far worse than this

I am guessing that the reason for the stopping of the football season has a direct linkage to the principal hearing the other stories, too.

This football program is starting to feel like "Lord of the Flies". Apparently, hazing is an accepted practice and the principal is stopping that practice.

Smart principal, that.

 

[concernedinlv]

Ok - I can see this site is only set up to belittle the one with the question. You are not reading all of it - the school has to prove malicious intent or the intent to cause harm - they have failed to do so as there is none to prove - as for me being tied in a chair and rolled into the quad - NO big deal if you do it without intent to hurt me, embarrass or degrade me - I have been the pawn of many pranks - I know some pranks get out of control - the kids were wrong and yes they should be punished you are not understanding, but then again from your responses it doesnt appear you are open minded people that look at the entire scenario you only see parts of it - this site sucks

 

[cyjeff]

actually oh so wise one, I am privy to what disipline those kids faced as one of them is a close family friend so I DO know that all those kids with malicious intent were only subjected to 2 weeks of in house suspension - amazing as their act could have SERIOUSLY injured someone, broke someones arm, leg, back caused concusions ect...so you DONT know me and what I do know for you to say I am NOT privy - I would NOT have brought it up had I not KNOWN first hand what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Wow.

When that third glass of wine kicks in the typing skills just vanish, huh?

 

[cyjeff]

Ok - I can see this site is only set up to belittle the one with the question. You are not reading all of it - the school has to prove malicious intent or the intent to cause harm - they have failed to do so as there is none to prove

NO NO NO NO NO.

Neither standard exists. Are you saying that if they had hurt the kid that they couldn't have been prosecuted because they didn't MEAN to hurt him?

The problem that you don't seem to understand is that some action are so dangerous or harmful that you aren't allowed to do them even if your heart is pure and your intentions are good.

Hazing is one of them.

as for me being tied in a chair and rolled into the quad - NO big deal if you do it without intent to hurt me, embarrass or degrade me - I have been the pawn of many pranks - I know some pranks get out of control - the kids were wrong and yes they should be punished you are not understanding,

Okay, so you don't see the problem, then you do see the problem, then you don't see the problem, then you do see the problem but I have the misunderstanding.

Please enlighten me.

but then again from your responses it doesnt appear you are open minded people that look at the entire scenario you only see parts of it - this site sucks

Sorry, Pookie.

Stomping your foot and giving us your best "Mommy is mad at you" look doesn't work here.

The problem here is that YOU don't understand that we don't and the principal doesn't have to look at the totality of the incident.

I don't have to hit someone with a bullet to make the act of randomly shooting a gun in the air an inherently dangerous activity that warrants criminal discipline.

The law is remarkably CLOSE minded when it comes to actions that endanger other people. Even if it was all in good fun.

Though, again, if the coach knew this was what the definition of good fun is, he should be fired and run out of town on a rail. In a sane town, the parents would be helping.

 

[Humusluvr]

Ok - I can see this site is only set up to belittle the one with the question. You are not reading all of it - the school has to prove malicious intent or the intent to cause harm - they have failed to do so as there is none to prove - as for me being tied in a chair and rolled into the quad - NO big deal if you do it without intent to hurt me, embarrass or degrade me - I have been the pawn of many pranks - I know some pranks get out of control - the kids were wrong and yes they should be punished you are not understanding, but then again from your responses it doesnt appear you are open minded people that look at the entire scenario you only see parts of it - this site sucks

I was a school principal. I would have done the exact same thing this principal did. You're right we're not open minded to hazing that could have led to the serious harm of the victim. I see the whole scenario - you don't.

You were a "close family friend" to another one of the students who was suspended. I'm saying you don't see what the school sees. Lawsuit, after lawsuit, after lawsuit, if they didn't act. You're lucky if the school doesn't press charges.