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computer_guy

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Wisconsin

I am the boyfriend of the mother of a young female child. The mother too the father to court and the court commissioner wrote in his response that it is advised that they continue with the alternating weekend placement.

Because of history of odd happenings with the child and the fathers history the mother and I are fearful that he is sexually abusing their child in common. Certain circumstances that strengthen this, is the fathers compulsion to bath the child when specifically asked not to, the child's report of being coerced into sleeping in the same bed with him and getting bodily fluids on the child (the child claims it was sweat, origin of fluid undetermined), the child describing the shape of the fathers penis, drawings of penis's at school and the child's inability to inform any one of where this knowledge was received. However when speaking with the child about the differences between boys and girls she stated the obvious. When describing what made her and her father different she described how his butt hung down "like this" then made hand gesture with her arm extended up and down with her hand halved open.

Because of other situations in the past I was viewing the fathers ebay account, one of his recent purchases was a book by Ray Garton, Shackled. This book goes into explicit detail of child molestation, child torture, child abduction, underground sexual deviancy, brainwashing of children used for sexual encounters, and satanic rituals involving children. An editorial review on the Barnes and Nobel website wrote "Only readers devoted to detailed scenes of child torture, amateurish writing and offensive language will be hooked by this." I find this statement very scary with the things that have gone on.

The mother of the child works for a homeless shelter specializing in domestic abuse and attempting to receive help from the sources there. The mother and I met with the fathers probation officer (alcohol related) to seek help from them and place a no contact between the father and mother. The mother reported her concerns to Child Protective Services. I attempted assistance with the local authorities and spoke with the chief of police and addressed my concerns. The child is seeing a professional counselor and the counselor said that she did not have enough evidence to pursue a case regarding abuse.

The Mother was advised to tell the father that the child was sick or being take to a family event. It is her grandmothers birthday this weekend, and she was going to take the child out of the county for that reason and to use it to avoid the child from being alone with her father. The father's mother as the 3rd party for the no contacted transferred a message demanding that she gives the child over to them this weekend.

CPS has not called back and stated whether or not this will be looked into. The mother does not want to surrender her child to the father this weekend but is fearful of legal repercussion. The mother is absolutely fearful that the father has already molested her to some point, it is evident that the father has exposed himself to the child. I am personally fearful with the fathers aggression towards the mother and myself, and the fathers sexual history with the mother, that the father is going to take a more sinister carnal interest in the child and act upon it. If this happens I am absolutely terrified per the child's reaction and the fathers inability to control himself that he would murder the child in a panic.

Help is needed in this, and every resource we've tried has been a stonewall until there is absolute documented evidence of abuse. As the child becomes older more things surface, such as her father throwing her into the bedroom wall. The child is too young to understand sex, and inappropriateness especially from her father. No legal authority is stepping up to this, I understand the local authorities position on why they can not intervene at this time. The probation officer refuses to assist because of the reason of which she was appointed to the father, though her demeanor changed completely after the mother stated his interest in an artist that depicts his subjects in bondage and rape like situations with beasts and demons.

Edit: while I wrote this the mother was going into her work to research with people who are more familiar with situations of this nature.
 
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Proserpina

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(I have actually read the book you mention, incidentally)

Why is Dad being asked not to bathe his child?

How old is this child?
 

CJane

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I have not read the book, Pro. Is there anything inappropriate in the book?
I've read it too.

I wouldn't let my kids read it, but that doesn't make me a child molester.

The fact is, StepDad, while you may have EVERY reason to be concerned, it appears that no one else is as concerned as you and Mom are. Even the child's counselor/psychologist isn't concerned enough to call in the authorities - and s/he is a mandated reporter. The probation officer - mandated reporter. This child is literally surrounded by people who, if they even SUSPECTED abuse MIGHT be happening would be compelled to report it and who aren't concerned enough to do so.

I'm sorry.
 

Antigone*

Senior Member
I've read it too.

I wouldn't let my kids read it, but that doesn't make me a child molester.

The fact is, StepDad, while you may have EVERY reason to be concerned, it appears that no one else is as concerned as you and Mom are. Even the child's counselor/psychologist isn't concerned enough to call in the authorities - and s/he is a mandated reporter. The probation officer - mandated reporter. This child is literally surrounded by people who, if they even SUSPECTED abuse MIGHT be happening would be compelled to report it and who aren't concerned enough to do so.

I'm sorry.
This is not step dad. This is a boyfriend. If we were talking to mom, I'd remind her that if there is a court order in place it is not a suggestion.:cool:

Can you view what someone else has purchased on ebay without compromising their account?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I've read it too.

I wouldn't let my kids read it, but that doesn't make me a child molester.
While I haven't read it, I still would not assume that someone was a child molester who did. However, it would make me uneasy combined with the other elements of the story.

I find the facts in this story credible enough that I am probably going to have a nightmare or two because I know there is nothing we can actually do to help this child. I hope that she doesn't end up being one of those horrible news stories that seem more and more prevalent.

There is a counselor, trained in these matters saying that there is not enough evidence/tells. Therefore there is not.
 

Proserpina

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I have not read the book, Pro. Is there anything inappropriate in the book?
It's just another fairly poorly-written shlock horror.

I've read worse.

For the record - I also have books on my shelf going into great detail about serial killers, their victims and crimes, forensic text books detailing how crimes are committed, a gazillion cheap-and-shlocky horror/gross-out authors......you name it.

I'm also not a child molester, nor a serial killer.

And ditto CJane's post.
 

CJane

Senior Member
It's just another fairly poorly-written shlock horror.

I've read worse.

For the record - I also have books on my shelf going into great detail about serial killers, their victims and crimes, forensic text books detailing how crimes are committed, a gazillion cheap-and-shlocky horror/gross-out authors......you name it.

I'm also not a child molester, nor a serial killer.

And ditto CJane's post.
I think you and I have very similar bookshelves. And netflix queues.
 

computer_guy

Junior Member
Why is Dad being asked not to bathe his child? - He took a great interest in bathing her, a specific phone call while he was on speaker, he was very direct and too the point with the child... Then his tone softened and specifically said "Hey buddy can I ask you something and get an honest answer" and asked about other being in the bathroom with her, and stated he bathes her fully and spend most of the time in the bathroom scrubbing her whole body for her. When in court he stated he did this because the child was acting as if she was unable to her self. When the child was asked, she said no such thing and that she never asked for help. When at home, the mother only washes her hair, I do not take any part in bathing of the child.

How old is this child? 6

Can you view what someone else has purchased on ebay without compromising their account?

Public feedback rating, with in 3 hours after the feedback on his purchase of that book, he changed his public profile feedback to private.

As for my concerns on the book, the father seems to display an inability to distinguish the difference between fiction and fantasy. He spends thousands upon thousands of dollars on star wars toys, fantasy sculptures and collectors books. This book purchase was extremely out of his norm, and at a very delicate time with questions of sexual abuse arising. I understand that a fantasy novel doesn't depict a persons intentions. But from my gathering of the book and the amount of effort the author put into the research, I feel that he could use this as a hand-guide to hurt the child (whether or not the story is accurate), if not use the book to fulfill a sexual desire.
 

Antigone*

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Why is Dad being asked not to bathe his child? - He took a great interest in bathing her, a specific phone call while he was on speaker, he was very direct and too the point with the child... Then his tone softened and specifically said "Hey buddy can I ask you something and get an honest answer" and asked about other being in the bathroom with her, and stated he bathes her fully and spend most of the time in the bathroom scrubbing her whole body for her. When in court he stated he did this because the child was acting as if she was unable to her self. When the child was asked, she said no such thing and that she never asked for help. When at home, the mother only washes her hair, I do not take any part in bathing of the child.

How old is this child? 6

Can you view what someone else has purchased on ebay without compromising their account?

Public feedback rating, with in 3 hours after the feedback on his purchase of that book, he changed his public profile feedback to private.

As for my concerns on the book, the father seems to display an inability to distinguish the difference between fiction and fantasy. He spends thousands upon thousands of dollars on star wars toys, fantasy sculptures and collectors books. This book purchase was extremely out of his norm, and at a very delicate time with questions of sexual abuse arising. I understand that a fantasy novel doesn't depict a persons intentions. But from my gathering of the book and the amount of effort the author put into the research, I feel that he could use this as a hand-guide to hurt the child (whether or not the story is accurate), if not use the book to fulfill a sexual desire.
You are a legal stranger. You insertion into mom's legal business can eventually hurt her custody arrangements with dad.
 

computer_guy

Junior Member
It's just another fairly poorly-written shlock horror.

I've read worse.

For the record - I also have books on my shelf going into great detail about serial killers, their victims and crimes, forensic text books detailing how crimes are committed, a gazillion cheap-and-shlocky horror/gross-out authors......you name it.

I'm also not a child molester, nor a serial killer.

And ditto CJane's post.
The book was bought at a time when his sexual interests in the child came into question.



the mother jsut came back and the legal advocate said that if she denies them the child she can be held in contempt of court and held accountable for felony kidnapping.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
The book was bought at a time when his sexual interests in the child came into question.



the mother jsut came back and the legal advocate said that if she denies them the child she can be held in contempt of court and held accountable for felony kidnapping.


Contempt, I can see.


Felony kidnapping? Uh..not so much. But hey, if that's what an attorney is telling her? She needs to listen.
 

computer_guy

Junior Member
You are a legal stranger. You insertion into mom's legal business can eventually hurt her custody arrangements with dad.
I understand this and it sucks... The mother went through a lot of trauma while living with the father, and I feel it is required that I step up and attempt to give her as many tools as possible in her arsenal. There are also many other pending situations that the father and his family have complete control over that we are trying to remove ourselves from... Long story short, the mother bought a house with the father before he was incarcerated, during the fathers time in jail he harassed her through having hundreds of packages being delivered to the house, and she was denied all ownership of the house after trusting that family with her money on the purchase. The mother has been severely oppressed and is absolutely mentally exhausted from all the compounding situations regarding the father. As we are finally able to, and currently moving out of this house this weekend, after struggling for months to find another place to reside.
 

computer_guy

Junior Member
Contempt, I can see.


Felony kidnapping? Uh..not so much. But hey, if that's what an attorney is telling her? She needs to listen.
Legal advocate at a domestic abuse shelter. I wish we had an attorney but coming up with $8,000 and more when we can't afford the basics of life is difficult.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Yeah, I'm thinking that "felony kidnapping" was maybe at the far end of the range of things the advocate was saying *might* be possible.
 
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