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breezymom

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Actually, what it looks like happened, is they never gave us the amended paperwork at the last hearing where they changed the time from 9 to 1. I vaguely remembered something about time changes.

He was, however, given the chance to have some time to respond to the amended petition, since we both just received a copy of it today, which is fair. We did most, if not all, of my testimony today, which took us an hour and a half. He stated he had no questions for me. The judge gave us permission to change the short visitation day to Saturdays so he could have both kids on one day, if all agreed, including the GAL, so I will be reviewing it with the GAL and if she's not comfortable with it, then I won't agree to it.

I would hope, even though he would have both children, that nothing stupid were to happen if we did change it to Saturdays on the weeks in between. So, I will see and if she thinks that isn't best for her client, then I will go with that. If she thinks it would be, then I will go that way. I just want to work toward what is best for kiddo. What a nerve-wracking day. But it's over for a few weeks to a couple of months before we go back to finish it.
 


breezymom

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Wow. So no w we don't go back until June...the backup hearing didn't happen since the judge was overbooked. It must be that time of year.

So, I finally had found a daycare for the last exchange to happen. I don't even know where to begin, but, here's what happened.

The first time ex was dropping off kiddo at the daycare was today. I had to work until 4 and was glad I did when I got out and got the voicemail.

1. I get a voicemail from him stating that he saw at LEAST 2 violations at the daycare and that I needed to call him ASAP.
2. I phoned the provider to let her know I was on my way and I had to speak with her about a voicemail I received from him.
3. The provider was not happy sounding and said she also needed to speak with me about the way ex treated her today.

So, I go and go to pickup kiddo, and this is what I was told (and it's very believable, considering history and his behavioral patterns):

He stood in the foyer, never looked around the house, and began stating that kiddo would NOT be attending there long and he is sorry he has to leave her at a place like this.

At this point, kiddo hid behind his leg. Provider told her to come along to go play with the kids and as she started to do so, ex went on to say that he was DONE with me and he WILL be getting FULL custody and his lawyer will be in town tomorrow (all still in foyer, daycare kids around, and OUR child right there).

Kiddo goes in and starts playing. Provider explained that it was kiddo's first time there with the kids present and that she had only been there when kiddo and I came for the intake interview.

Kiddo was playing fine, Dad storms out of the house dropping F-bombs as he's walking from the door all the way down the steps and gets into his car.

Ex drives around the block to come looking around again, but not getting out of his car this time.

Provider called her regional person. Provider JUST had an inspection recently. I never saw anything wrong with the place, either.

Provider said she was NOT happy with the way she was treated and said ex was not allowed back on the property

So, all in all, now we have no place, yet again.

He had left me two facebook messages. And he called again, tonight, saying it was not in our daughter's best interests to be left at that place and he wants to talk to me ASAP.

I'm at a loss for words, really. I figured it would take at least 2 visits to get kicked out of there, but instead it took only one.

Any insight?
 

breezymom

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BTW, as an addition: I had already checked her out thoroughly, but googled her name, anyway (provider), location, and the word daycare...

Found proof of her license through 2014. Last inspection was in March. Passed.
 

gam

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BTW, as an addition: I had already checked her out thoroughly, but googled her name, anyway (provider), location, and the word daycare...

Found proof of her license through 2014. Last inspection was in March. Passed.
Was your ex involved in choosing the daycare provider at all? If he is unhappy, you could try finding several providers, go do your inspections and then give the ex the names of the ones you like. Have him set up his own appts with them, after let him tell you which one he likes. Now he gets the pick, he gets the control, and not a thing he can complain about after. Your only giving him the options of places you would be happy with anyways. If he don't like that option, then perhaps he would like to change the pick up location to the police station.
 

breezymom

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He's had options and they've been used. Then he said his option could not do it anymore. We were involved in a no-contact exchange program...that recently shut down due to budgetary reasons.

His other idea is that I, alone, before work, drop off our child at his house and that I, alone, after work, pick her up at his house.

He has had these same kinds of episodes with the GAL, with Early Intervention services, and with numerous other public people, as well as the daycare HE chose for his other child (not our child).

While that would be prime, it hasn't worked int he past.

The biggest thing is he made this huge production in front of OUR child AND other daycare children.

He was not happy with the exchange program. He's not happy with meeting me in a public place. He said my parents harassed him. He wouldn't pick her up at a different daycare.

He wants me alone, with the child in the middle, causing the same problems that have been going on for almost 3 years. I can, and have, walked away when he's done it before.

Re-emphasizing that he has repeatedly harassed and committed libel against the daycare he already chose for his other daughter, as well.

There is a huge pattern here.

I am trying not to do the police station for kiddo's sake, as that can be quite intimidating, as well, for her, but it may come to that.
 

Ladyback1

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He's had options and they've been used. Then he said his option could not do it anymore. We were involved in a no-contact exchange program...that recently shut down due to budgetary reasons.

His other idea is that I, alone, before work, drop off our child at his house and that I, alone, after work, pick her up at his house.

He has had these same kinds of episodes with the GAL, with Early Intervention services, and with numerous other public people, as well as the daycare HE chose for his other child (not our child).

While that would be prime, it hasn't worked int he past.

The biggest thing is he made this huge production in front of OUR child AND other daycare children.

He was not happy with the exchange program. He's not happy with meeting me in a public place. He said my parents harassed him. He wouldn't pick her up at a different daycare.

He wants me alone, with the child in the middle, causing the same problems that have been going on for almost 3 years. I can, and have, walked away when he's done it before.

Re-emphasizing that he has repeatedly harassed and committed libel against the daycare he already chose for his other daughter, as well.

There is a huge pattern here.

I am trying not to do the police station for kiddo's sake, as that can be quite intimidating, as well, for her, but it may come to that.
embarrassed to be in public with him because he's a jerk, scared to be alone with him? I get it

Do you have any close friends that could accompany you for the exchanges? That person or persons does not even have to get out of the vehicle come out of the house/bldg, just their presence can be helpful to you!
Contact your local fire department and see if they would be willing to allow you to exchange child there--not as intimidating on the child, but still a very controlled enviroment...
 

st-kitts

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I am trying not to do the police station for kiddo's sake, as that can be quite intimidating, as well, for her, but it may come to that.
Since the supervised exchange program is closed, I think a police station is a good idea. I think your day care provider(s) will be intimidated by your ex' behavior and dragging them in the middle (intentionally or unintentionally) isn't going to help your situation. Your ex will never be happy with anything you are happy with, even if he chooses it, so worry about following the court order not about making him happy. You ain't gonna make him happy.

With many things in life presentation is everything and I think that is the case for exchanges at the police station. Sure, it could be intimidating to a child, but is less likely to be so if you present it as awesome, terrific, wonderful... You could see if the station would be willing to give her a tour. Many stations give tours to school groups for pre-schoolers and kindergartners and they may be willing to do this for your child if you ask the person in charge nicely. In addition, you could read some books geared for little kids about job professions and people that "help" people like police officers, firefighters, nurses, teachers, etc. After that groundwork, you could present it as a "Wow, you are so lucky, we get to go to the police station and then you get to see daddy" rather than presenting it as an issue. You can't control what he says, but you can make it no big deal on your end.

good luck there Breezy.
 

breezymom

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The fire departments here are a good idea. I just may be able to set something up there if need be. I'm not embarrassed to be in public to do it, regardless of how he makes himself look because, honestly, I would think people would understand just WHY we ARE doing it in public.

He does not want it public because he wants it to be just him and me and no one else able to hear. That's the way it became after I got pregnant and that's the way it was after we had our child, especially after I left.

Bringing someone with me could work, in the future, if it gets changed so that I am dropping her off/picking her up before/after work. I'm just not sure, right now, at least before we go back and finish our court hearing (my testimony was 1.5 hours, so that's all we got to), with the immense lack of sureness around the court room about his stability. If I leave her there MORE hours than court ordered, that's going to look like I feel comfortable with it and, honestly, I don't.
 

breezymom

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Thanks, s-kitts. That's a good way of looking at it. That is a possibility, too. We do know many police officers, so she's definitely not afraid of them. I just don't want her to feel like SHE is doing anything wrong. And today she thinks she has. I just keep telling her, "Honey...I'm not sure what you think you did wrong, but you did nothing wrong."
 

gam

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He's had options and they've been used. Then he said his option could not do it anymore. We were involved in a no-contact exchange program...that recently shut down due to budgetary reasons.

His other idea is that I, alone, before work, drop off our child at his house and that I, alone, after work, pick her up at his house.

He has had these same kinds of episodes with the GAL, with Early Intervention services, and with numerous other public people, as well as the daycare HE chose for his other child (not our child).

While that would be prime, it hasn't worked int he past.

The biggest thing is he made this huge production in front of OUR child AND other daycare children.

He was not happy with the exchange program. He's not happy with meeting me in a public place. He said my parents harassed him. He wouldn't pick her up at a different daycare.

He wants me alone, with the child in the middle, causing the same problems that have been going on for almost 3 years. I can, and have, walked away when he's done it before.

Re-emphasizing that he has repeatedly harassed and committed libel against the daycare he already chose for his other daughter, as well.

There is a huge pattern here.

I am trying not to do the police station for kiddo's sake, as that can be quite intimidating, as well, for her, but it may come to that.
Your option is to make sure this is part of the court action that is in progress. Since he is so difficult and giving daycare providers troubles, if you can prove that to the court, should not be hard to get the court to keep him out of the daycares. Meeting him alone, is not an option for you, makes no difference what he wants, that is not an option for you.

The police station does not have to be so bad for the child, benefits of the police station the child can learn and maybe need later in life. My Niece has a very difficult ex, domestic abuse with proof. So far her ex has been banned from daycares, banned from regular school. All drop offs and pick ups are in a public place, both parties must get a receipt to prove they were there at drop offs and pick ups. Her ex has had several family members and friends banned from coming to these drop offs and pick ups. She however must take someone with her. All this is in her court order, ordered by the Judge, with plenty of proof why these steps are needed for her safety and childrens well being. Her ex has been warned that one more incident at this public place and the drop offs and pick ups will be moved to either the police station or an exchange facility at his cost.

Is all this hard on the children, sure is, will be just as hard if it is changed to the police station or an exchange facility. But it does keep the exchanges much more controlled and less stressful for the children. Court says they must go, so all you can do is provide the least amount of disruption possible at the exchanges.

My Niece has been doing this for 8 years, her ex does not work with her any better today then he did 8 years ago. She has tried everything, he will make every attempt to engage her no matter what form of communication then use, no matter how she handles it, even if she just walks away, does not answer his crap in an email or hangs up on him over the phone when he starts. HE WILL CONTINUE THIS BEHAVIOR TILL SHE NO LONGER HAS TO DEAL WITH HIM ANYMORE. My point being, your ex may just keep going on and on with you, no matter what. Best thing is to get the court order detailed, and get these exchanges moved to someplace that does not affect the childs regular schedule of things, such as daycare. Your other best thing is to stop engaging back with him. Ignore his crap that goes off topic, simply state, your only going to discuss things that concern the child. When it does concern the child and you discuss it with him, and it is obvious your not going to agree, simply state we are not coming to middle ground on this, discussion is over. Leave that hanging out there for him to decide the next move. He takes you to court, so what, at least you will get the court to make the decision, cause the 2 of you can't.

Another good thing to get in the order for those struggling with difficult exs is no deviating. My Niece has that in hers. It simply states the order must be followed, if they deviate from the order, it must be in writing with both parents signing and dating it. That's been in her order for 6 years, and they have not deviated once. Ya want to know why? Cause he can't give an inch for anything, makes no difference who is asking for the change in schedule. He can't compromise, he can't put the children first, he won't stick to what he agrees to, even in writing. Stinks sometimes, children lose out, but there is nothing more you can do with this guy.

At some point I'm afraid you may have to face facts here, that your ex is never going to change, never going to co-parent with you. It seems to me by reading all your postings(I sat not that long ago and read all of yours), he is an abuser, abusers are controllers, they don't co-anything with anyone. If your lucky maybe at some point he will seek help for his problems and change. But understand that mental disorders, often prevent ones from seeking help, if they do seek help, mental disorders make it very hard to continue using that help. They often stop meds, they often stop therapy. So it's a rollercoaster ride in dealing with someone like this.
 

breezymom

Member
I can't put too much detail in right now, in the event that he finds this, because he is not going to be happy when he hears how things went yesterday when the state investigated his claims. Let's just say all were easily disproved and between what was reported, the amount reported, and having two witnesses at the daycare to how he acted in front of the children in the daycare, especially our child, a suggestion has been made on how to handle things.

The suggestion detailed that a liaison (I know whom they suggested but not putting it in here right now) should meet him at a public place, collect our child, and take our child to the daycare because they feel he is a danger to the daycare.

The supervisor should be phoning him, today, so safety plan is in full effect if I need it so that I can use it. I'm afraid, right now, but nothing I can do unless he tries to do something, so I'm prepared to go if I need. So, if I'm not around for a bit with a stupid comment here or there on people's posts, that's why.
 

breezymom

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We are in the process of lining up witnesses and I do none of the exchanges anymore. If anything happens with my neighbor this next time, since he's on a rampage right now, she will just phone the police. I think he knows that and that's why he hasn't given her any issues, but with how he's acting right now, I'm not sure what will happen.
 

breezymom

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Nevermind. I just spoke with my lawyer and she agreed. I am editing this post for rather obvious reasons.
 
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breezymom

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What would you do?

The remainder of the hearing is not for a month and a half.

Some time within that period, I may be offered full time employment where I work now (so, in other words, I can better the child's life and my own without having to move anywhere).

The issue is that the pickup time is 2 PM on a week day and since the scene caused at the beginning of this month, I am unable to find a daycare for the ex to drop off kiddo, because the providers do not want that kind of liability and he is no longer allowed at the daycare I would be using the remainder of the time because the state supervisor feels he is a safety threat.

So, in other words, the child's life and my own are controlled/limited because Dad can't behave himself. My only option seems to be to leave kiddo there for almost 3 hours longer or don't take full time employment. Dad has trouble finding a babysitter/daycare to begin with and now I am having issues because of the scene he caused.
 
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