• FreeAdvice has a new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, effective May 25, 2018.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our Terms of Service and use of cookies.

Grandmother had 2 strokes, isn't mentally capable of living on her own

Accident - Bankruptcy - Criminal Law / DUI - Business - Consumer - Employment - Family - Immigration - Real Estate - Tax - Traffic - Wills   Please click a topic or scroll down for more.

jayalan

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I am located in Ohio

Here are the problems.

1) My grandmother can't drive. She is legally blind. Her right eye is somewhat ok, her left eye, she can't even tell you how many fingers you're holding up 5 feet in front of you

2) Her health is poor, very poor. Since the strokes, she has difficulty walking. Not to the point where she has a walker, but she VERY unsteady on her feet. That being said, I found her last summer, laying in her bedroom, and she could not have the strength or balance to pick herself up. She has been walking near me twice in the last few months, and I have had to literally catch her from falling over.

3) mentally, she is gone. she has always been unreasonable ( from what I have been told, it has been a life long problem ). I don't just mean bull headed, i mean, arguing to the point of all of my family members have been kicked out and told never to return more than 10 times, each. Also, her memory is completely shot. When I say completely, i mean it, quite literally. My fiance moved in about 4 months ago now, and my grandma will ask no less than 5 times a day why she is here. Grandma has also gotten VERY violent. I have several video recorded incidents, one involving my grandmother going after my fiance's car with a knife. She also yells and screams at the kids for literally no reason, because she feels that she is in charge of EVERYTHING because, and i quote " this is my house"

Now here is the problem. My dad has power of attorney, so he is responsible for her. She can not drive, my dad or I take her to her doctors appts, and do all of the grocery shopping for her. She can not see to pay her bills, so my dad has the bills sent to his house and he pays them for her our of her account. My dad works, a lot. He also travels a lot ( was recently in california for 3 weeks for work ), my uncle drives truck over the road so he is never around, so that leaves everything on my plate. Which I have no problem with, but with how she has been recently ( going after my fiances car, being violent to the point she has actually hit me, swung on me and swung on my fiance ), I don't feel that she is safe, at all, living on her own.

My dad now tells me that I should " probably find somewhere else to live ", which for me is no problem. I have a 6 bedroom house sitting empty I have complete access to, anytime I want. Here is the situation I am in... I am afraid, if I move out, that my grandma is going to fall / get hurt / burn the house down ( her memory is so shot that we have found the stove or oven left on, because she turned it on, and forgot less than 5 minutes later, and went back to bed ). I am very afraid, because I want to see her taken care of in a environment that is safe for her, and away from the kids so she doesn't hurt one of them, or worse. I am not sure if my dad could get in any legal trouble, because at this point, he is pretty much siding with what she wants, even though she is completely mentally unstable, and in my opinion, not capable of living on her own. If my dad or I am not here, she will forget to take her medicine, she will not have groceries coming in, or anyone checking on her regularly to see if she is hurt or needs anything.

My question is this. What can I do? I don't want to move out and have my dad get in trouble if she gets hurt. I also don't want to stay here and have her hurt one of the kids, me or my fiance.. I am really stuck. I am honestly afraid for her to move back here, because it's only a matter of time before she hurts one of us, or heaven forbid one of the kids. I have NO idea why my dad is saying "well, that's what she wants, and this is her house ", when he knows she is completely mentally incompetent and unable to take care of herself. Any advice outside of " call an attorney " is helpful.

Thank you
 


OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
If you research your county, there will be an adult services agency. Request a state social worker come do an evaluation of the situation. Work with dad, not against him. It may be as simple as a shut off for the stove, it may involve a nursing home.
 

jayalan

Junior Member
If you research your county, there will be an adult services agency. Request a state social worker come do an evaluation of the situation. Work with dad, not against him. It may be as simple as a shut off for the stove, it may involve a nursing home.
We're trying to, to the best of our abilities. We have been just shutting off the stove, and literally doing everything. It only concerns me is because of how violent she has gotten, that I am very afraid that she might come after my fiances 3 year old to yell at her, fall and hurt both of them, or much worse.

We plan on it involving a nursing home, when i talked to my dad today, he said there was a 50/50 chance of her coming back here ( she is currently at my dads house ). But like i said, I just want to make sure that if she DOES come back here, that if she gets hurt, my dad doesn't get in trouble, because he knows that she can not live on her own. I would think common sense would dictate that as i now have no less than 3 police reports, one involving her going after a car with a knife, and the hospital records of her when she fell and couldn't get up.. But I know law isn't as simple as " common sense ". I used to date an attorney, so I am very familiar with how criminal proceedings and custody works, and sometimes you just shake your head.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
The state provides county social workers to guard against elder abuse. If you cannot find the agency for your county, let us know the county and we will attempt to discern it for you. They should be happy to do an evaluation.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
The state provides county social workers to guard against elder abuse. If you cannot find the agency for your county, let us know the county and we will attempt to discern it for you. They should be happy to do an evaluation.
They also deal with more than elder abuse, they also deal with the elderly who are in need of services but will not agree to go into a nursing home or assisted living...or whose families cannot cope with them.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
They also deal with more than elder abuse, they also deal with the elderly who are in need of services but will not agree to go into a nursing home or assisted living...or whose families cannot cope with them.
Hence the reason I suggested them.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
It is likely that the house will need to be sold to pay for her care. It's clearly not safe for her to live alone.
 

mtpockets

Member
Assisted Living or Skilled Nursing Facility

A Skilled Nursing Facility would cost at least 3 times as much as an Assisted Living Facility.

Skilled Nursing means just that. These facilities are for people who are very ill.

Assisted living means assistance with activities of daily living, such as bathing, dressing, using the toilet, keeping track of medications, etc. and also includes meal preparation, house cleaning, laundry, errands, transportation to the doctor, etc.

Good luck.
 

jayalan

Junior Member
It is likely that the house will need to be sold to pay for her care. It's clearly not safe for her to live alone.
this is fine. I am prepared for this. This has been discussed, discussed and discussed for over 10 years.

Today, my dad got the bright idea to try to evict my fiancee. He " said " that it wasn't an eviction, it was a letter " asking that she leave ".

I am currently looking for the information on abandonment and neglect. I am also looking for any one I can call to get my grandmother the help she needs instead of dad leaving her here, by herself, and leaving everything to chance. She needs to be in an environment where she can be taken care of, that is conducive for her needs, as well as seeing that our needs are taken care of as well morally and legally.
 

I'mTheFather

Senior Member
this is fine. I am prepared for this. This has been discussed, discussed and discussed for over 10 years.

Today, my dad got the bright idea to try to evict my fiancee. He " said " that it wasn't an eviction, it was a letter " asking that she leave ".

I am currently looking for the information on abandonment and neglect. I am also looking for any one I can call to get my grandmother the help she needs instead of dad leaving her here, by herself, and leaving everything to chance. She needs to be in an environment where she can be taken care of, that is conducive for her needs, as well as seeing that our needs are taken care of as well morally and legally.
Why don't you hire someone to live with her, someone who has experience dealing with elderly dementia patients. Then you and your fiancée can move without the worry, and your dad can continue working without worry.
 

jayalan

Junior Member
Why don't you hire someone to live with her, someone who has experience dealing with elderly dementia patients. Then you and your fiancée can move without the worry, and your dad can continue working without worry.
Grandma is VERY VERY aggressive. She has hit me, and im her grandson. She has swung at my fiancee, and went after her car last weekend with a steak knife. If someone that was a complete stranger was in the house, she would no doubt attack them.

I spoke more with my dad after my last post. He has her set up for a mental assessment this month ( soonest he said they could get her in was the end of the month ).. so in the mean time, I told him if she wants to come back, that's fine and that i would call the police and tell them I am afraid for my life, at which point they would come and have her evaluated on the spot. He told me that he understood, and to do what I needed to. ( which is his way of saying, go ahead ). I think the smoke and mirrors is my dads attempt to placate my grandmother. So it is what it is. I am calling the county tomorrow to see if I can get this matter taken care of at a quicker pace, to save my dads chance of getting in trouble, and to get my grandmother the help she needs in the mean time.
 

I'mTheFather

Senior Member
Grandma is VERY VERY aggressive. She has hit me, and im her grandson. She has swung at my fiancee, and went after her car last weekend with a steak knife. If someone that was a complete stranger was in the house, she would no doubt attack them.
You clearly don't understand dementia well, or you wouldn't have moved your girlfriend into the home. She's a stranger!! And the kids? Whose kids are they? How long have they been there?
I spoke more with my dad after my last post. He has her set up for a mental assessment this month ( soonest he said they could get her in was the end of the month ).. so in the mean time, I told him if she wants to come back, that's fine and that i would call the police and tell them I am afraid for my life, at which point they would come and have her evaluated on the spot. He told me that he understood, and to do what I needed to. ( which is his way of saying, go ahead ). I think the smoke and mirrors is my dads attempt to placate my grandmother. So it is what it is. I am calling the county tomorrow to see if I can get this matter taken care of at a quicker pace, to save my dads chance of getting in trouble, and to get my grandmother the help she needs in the mean time.
I can't help feeling there's much more to this story.
 

I'mTheFather

Senior Member
I forgot about these pearls...

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I am located in Ohio

3) mentally, she is gone. she has always been unreasonable ( from what I have been told, it has been a life long problem ). I don't just mean bull headed, i mean, arguing to the point of all of my family members have been kicked out and told never to return more than 10 times, each. Also, her memory is completely shot. When I say completely, i mean it, quite literally. My fiance moved in about 4 months ago now, and my grandma will ask no less than 5 times a day why she is here.
Well, why IS she there??
Grandma has also gotten VERY violent. I have several video recorded incidents,
Video recording? For what purpose?
one involving my grandmother going after my fiance's car with a knife. She also yells and screams at the kids for literally no reason, because she feels that she is in charge of EVERYTHING because, and i quote " this is my house"
It IS her house!
I want to see her taken care of in a environment that is safe for her, and away from the kids so she doesn't hurt one of them, or worse.
Move the kids OUT!!
I am not sure if my dad could get in any legal trouble, because at this point, he is pretty much siding with what she wants, even though she is completely mentally unstable, and in my opinion, not capable of living on her own. If my dad or I am not here, she will forget to take her medicine, she will not have groceries coming in, or anyone checking on her regularly to see if she is hurt or needs anything.

My question is this. What can I do? I don't want to move out and have my dad get in trouble if she gets hurt. I also don't want to stay here and have her hurt one of the kids, me or my fiance.. I am really stuck. I am honestly afraid for her to move back here, because it's only a matter of time before she hurts one of us, or heaven forbid one of the kids.
Something seems pretty clear to me. And it isn't your concern for your grandmother.
I have NO idea why my dad is saying "well, that's what she wants, and this is her house ", when he knows she is completely mentally incompetent and unable to take care of herself. Any advice outside of " call an attorney " is helpful.

Thank you
 

commentator

Senior Member
"
She needs to be in an environment where she can be taken care of, that is conducive for her needs, as well as seeing that our needs are taken care of as well morally and legally.

Seriously didn't this one sort of leap out at us? This grandson needs to take his fiancé and his whole sideshow and move out and take all his concerns elsewhere, and leave daddy and grandma alone.
 

Find the Right Lawyer for Your Legal Issue!

Fast, Free, and Confidential
data-ad-format="auto">
Top