1 ecstasy pill

[7654]

Tossing the pill under a nearby table doesn't make it less likely to have been yours.

lol. What are you even doing on a legal site with comments like that?

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_images_gallery1.shtml

Oh that's awesome. Good find, I haven't seen that one.

And as you can see - not a single one of those is manufactured with patchy blotches of different shades of the same color. (not speckled, remember)

 

[cbg]

You have yet to explain how the appearance of the pill precludes the possibility of it being yours.

 

[7654]

You have yet to explain how the appearance of the pill precludes the possibility of it being yours.

It had grove crap stuck to both sides of it. And has the appearance of something that's been exposed to the environment.

In conclusion: it has the appearance of something that's had a hard, homeless life.




Now, constructive possession requires them to prove knowledge of it. How do they go about that? We had no knowledge of it so that would seem difficult...

And it also requires control of it. What exactly does that mean? HOW does someone have control over something lying under a table nearby, which they don't know about and would have to go out of their way to even see let alone touch? If I can control that pill, then essentially, I control the whole world.

 

[cbg]

Nothing you have posted is in any way clear evidence that the pill did not belong to you. Appearance has no bearing on ownership.

Doesn't matter how bad it looks, looks and ownership are unrelated. It could have tree sap on it and that would not prove it wasn't yours.

 

[7654]

Nothing you have posted is in any way clear evidence that the pill did not belong to you. Appearance has no bearing on ownership.

Doesn't matter how bad it looks, looks and ownership are unrelated. It could have tree sap on it and that would not prove it wasn't yours.

And there's no clear evidence that it did belong to me either.

So allegedly, at some point during that day one of us tossed this cruddy looking pill under the table and grove crap immediately starting growing around it and attaching itself to it?

What kind of flora is that?!

 

[cbg]

I'm not saying it did belong to you.

But you seem to be relying on the appearance of the pill as "proof" that it wasn't yours, and that isn't gonna cut it, kiddo.

 

[longislandguy]

I have friends who got probation for a nearly empty container(little glass vial) of cocaine stuffed in the backseat of a car, this container was sticky and covered in crumbs as if it had been there for years....It didn't matter

You need a lawyer.

 

[7654]

I'm not saying it did belong to you.

I'm not saying you were saying it did belong to me.

But you seem to be relying on the appearance of the pill as "proof" that it wasn't yours, and that isn't gonna cut it, kiddo.

Just along with location, lack of knowledge or control.

I have friends who got probation for a nearly empty container(little glass vial) of cocaine stuffed in the backseat of a car, this container was sticky and covered in crumbs as if it had been there for years....It didn't matter

You need a lawyer.

Ok. But this is confined within a car (I'm assuming the friends were all in the car at the time).

I'm talking about under a table that was nearby on a back porch at somebody else's house.

 

[BigMouthWino]

I'm not saying you were saying it did belong to me.



Just along with location, lack of knowledge or control.



Ok. But this is confined within a car (I'm assuming the friends were all in the car at the time).

I'm talking about under a table that was nearby on a back porch at somebody else's house.

A table you previously stated you were all standing around. If three people are standing around a dog with no leash who is in control of the dog?

I appreciate your tenacity and optimism, but even if you can convince everyone here you are innocent your smart-ass attitude is not going to get you far in the court system. Is there some reason you haven't engaged an attorney? You are facing a DRUG CHARGE. Do you want to be branded with the scarlet "D" forever? No matter how good your arguments. If the reason is financial - go see the public defender. If you cannot get one on the phone go to their office and sit there until they see you. Do not leave. And print out this thread and ask the public defender if what you're doing here helps your case or hurts it.

 

[7654]

By the way - why would we have tossed it under a nearby table when there were perfectly fine bushes right beside us?

The cop's story is just ridiculous.

 

[cbg]

We're not the ones you have to convince.

Tell it to an attorney.

 

[BigMouthWino]

By the way - why would we have tossed it under a nearby table when there were perfectly fine bushes right beside us?

I don't know? Gee whiz. You stumped the board. Wait a second, the wheels are turning now; could it be:

BECAAUUUUSSSSEEEEE people high on drugs do things that are irrational?

 

[longislandguy]

Ok. But this is confined within a car (I'm assuming the friends were all in the car at the time).

I'm talking about under a table that was nearby on a back porch at somebody else's house.

I don't know what to tell you...You're story didn't sound like the cops ripped the place apart to find this...It sounded like it was drugs in open view of anyone and the cop just saw it....I don't think the right argument for you to make is that it 'was dirty so we didn't just throw it there when the cops showed up' I think the argument has to be that it was 'not in plan sight and the police had no reasonable cause for search' But i don't even know if that is a valid argument....YOU NEED A LAWYER

But i do know, you aren't going to get anywhere by saying the pill was old and dirty...Now don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-drugs, there is a time and a place for everything....But, you aren't going to find a Judge like me, your judge isn't going to think that some drug addict is going to make sure all his pills are clean and fresh before taking. That argument is just not viable

 

[7654]

A table you previously stated you were all standing around. If three people are standing around a dog with no leash who is in control of the dog?

Please point out where I stated we were standing "around" the table? No. We were standing around a box of beer. Cop picked up the beer, walked over to the nearby table (because the 'nearby' table was far away enough that you need to take several steps), put the beer on it (he later added to his pile of beer) and then he looked under the table (there was an old, empty beer box under it - actually I'm surprised he didn't accuse us of drinking ALL those beers too). And according to him, we threw a pill under the table too..at some point...which he never claimed to have witnessed. I'm not sure what our radius of control and knowledge ultimately was.

If the reason is financial - go see the public defender. If you cannot get one on the phone go to their office and sit there until they see you. Do not leave.

Don't you have to wait until arraignment?

 

[7654]

I don't know? Gee whiz. You stumped the board. Wait a second, the wheels are turning now; could it be:

That was really more of a rhetorical question.

BECAAUUUUSSSSEEEEE people high on drugs do things that are irrational?

OMGEEEEEZZZZ

No. Wait. We weren't high on drugs.