My wrong doings vs my school.

[RRevak]

Ok I'm going to dig myself in a deeper hole now but whatever. In the US students can ask their University to take a summer class at a cheaper Community college. I'm going to try and get the school to let me register for a math 2 at a community college for the summer. If all works out well I will be on track to take Math 3 in the fall. The schools take the credit hours of the community college but not the grade so as long as I pass I should be fine. Going to pray to see if this will work because my school doesn't offer a course equivalency for math 1.

*sigh* You're not getting around the requirement, period. If you didn't pass Math 1 then you won't be able to take Math 2. Yes, they will drop the math 2 once they figure out you've signed up for it without its prerequisite, most likely either just before the class starts or during the first week. And you're wrong about the grade at CC. They DO take the grade AND the credits. Taking the class at CC is the same as taking it at your regular college, the only difference being the location (and sometimes the difficulty of the class) so again, if you don't have the prerequisite for math 2 then your college won't allow the transient class being taking at CC because in order to take said class your college has to approve it. Which they won't if they know you don't have the proper math 1 grade. Your only options will be to see if Math 1 is offered at the CC for summer then do math 2 in the fall at your university, or take math 1 in the fall and do math 2 in the spring. Trust me, your dancing won't work. I promise. They know students like you will do whatever it takes to try to work out the requirements so their system WILL "pick up on what you're putting down" as my oldest puts it.

 

[stealth2]

If only the classes were that easy I didn't fail for nothing. Stuffs hard.

How old are you? What does "math 1" entail? I'm going to assume basic Algebra (if not basic 1+1=2), and not Calc or Differential Equations. Like..... "hard stuff".

But yes, the school can deregister you w/o your consent as you have not completed the prerequisite. Even after the start of the term.

 

[RRevak]

How old are you? What does "math 1" entail? I'm going to assume basic Algebra (if not basic 1+1=2), and not Calc or Differential Equations. Like..... "hard stuff".

But yes, the school can deregister you w/o your consent as you have not completed the prerequisite. Even after the start of the term.

I find it funny that Op thinks that somehow they're the only student to have ever attempted this whole shebang. As if the university didn't have barriers in place to ensure schemes like the one OP is hanging onto didn't follow through. Op is going to feel rather silly when he/she wanders into the math 2 class and finds they aren't on the professors roster. Hopefully their backup plan is a better one than the one they're presenting us with at the moment.


And hey come on, math is evil. Like, reeeeeaaaallllyyyy evil. I did it..a lot of it...but I never liked it

 

[stealth2]

Ok I'm going to dig myself in a deeper hole now but whatever. In the US students can ask their University to take a summer class at a cheaper Community college. I'm going to try and get the school to let me register for a math 2 at a community college for the summer. If all works out well I will be on track to take Math 3 in the fall. The schools take the credit hours of the community college but not the grade so as long as I pass I should be fine. Going to pray to see if this will work because my school doesn't offer a course equivalency for math 1.

Oy. You can ask, but "In the US" the college/university does not have to agree. If Math 1 is a requirement for commencement, you have to take and pass it. And frankly - if Math 1 was "hard", what do you think 2 & 3 will be? Especially without the foundation of 1.

And honestly? Most "kids" I know who take core academics like Math at a CC? End up struggling in the college/university courses - even those that are equivalent (i.e. CC Math 1 vs College/University Math 1). The courses are not taught on an equivalent level.

 

[Zigner]

Maybe the OP wants to waste even MORE time and money by taking a more advanced version of the class that he couldn't pass?

 

[RRevak]

Oy. You can ask, but "In the US" the college/university does not have to agree. If Math 1 is a requirement for commencement, you have to take and pass it. And frankly - if Math 1 was "hard", what do you think 2 & 3 will be? Especially without the foundation of 1.

And honestly? Most "kids" I know who take core academics like Math at a CC? End up struggling in the college/university courses - even those that are equivalent (i.e. CC Math 1 vs College/University Math 1). The courses are not taught on an equivalent level.

I find that depends on the CC. Some are vastly better than others. One local to me CC is known for being "easier" than university levels while another CC i'm aware of up north partners directly with their transfer university so their courses are on par with how the university courses are run. So while some students will see a night and day difference, others will see almost the same as what they see at their home school. It really just depends.

 

[stealth2]

I find it funny that Op thinks that somehow they're the only student to have ever attempted this whole shebang. As if the university didn't have barriers in place to ensure schemes like the one OP is hanging onto didn't follow through. Op is going to feel rather silly when he/she wanders into the math 2 class and finds they aren't on the professors roster. Hopefully their backup plan is a better one than the one they're presenting us with at the moment.


And hey come on, math is evil. Like, reeeeeaaaallllyyyy evil. I did it..a lot of it...but I never liked it

LOL And I'm thinking ahead, if OP changes majors. My youngest (who is graduating Saturday!) is a clever little bulb, but math has never been a strong suit. With her original major, she had the choice of Calc or Stats. Given that she failed Stats in HS, she opted for Calc. Was placed into Calc 3 (I spent that term alternating between fear and trepidation). She passed. Actually more than passed. And then changed her major. Calc was no longer a requirement. But..... (you guessed it) Stats was!

Did she whine and complain about how unfair it was? Nope. Buckled down and got 'er done. Well.

I hate to say it (not really, LOL) - this is the difference between a child and an adult. Once you get to college? It's time to start understanding adulting.

 

[RRevak]

Maybe the OP wants to waste even MORE time and money by taking a more advanced version of the class that he couldn't pass?

I promise OP won't even get to that stage. There just isn't any way i'm seeing. The university WILL drop the class, either before it starts or just as. In order for OP to take the class at a CC the university has to give approval, which they won't as the OP doesn't have the necessary requirements. They may think things are on the up n up right now but honestly it won't stay that way. Universities have ways of making sure students like this one don't game the system. And even IF they manage to squeeze through (eh, some universities aren't perfect) then it will just catch up to them later on. Either before graduation when his/her graduation is compromised due to transcript issues, or the CC will catch it when he/she tries to do his/her transient deal and they alert the university. Either way, Op is going to have to deal with math 1 or nada.

 

[stealth2]

I find that depends on the CC. Some are vastly better than others. One local to me CC is known for being "easier" than university levels while another CC i'm aware of up north partners directly with their transfer university so their courses are on par with how the university courses are run. So while some students will see a night and day difference, others will see almost the same as what they see at their home school. It really just depends.

This is true. Just as colleges/universities differ in their rigor. I know some colleges in my state that will accept CC credit/coursework. Many will not.

I'll admit to being somewhat jaded wrt college. We've gotten to the point where we, as a society, seem to feel that everyone should get to go to college. Well..... Not everyone should. Not everyone has the interest or the ability. Some kids should be encouraged to pursue trades. In general, I think most kids (not MINE, of course! LOL) would be well served with a gap year or two of some type of community/military service type option. Time to mature, learn something about life, a chance to learn about themselves and what they want from life.

 

[RRevak]

This is true. Just as colleges/universities differ in their rigor. I know some colleges in my state that will accept CC credit/coursework. Many will not.

I'll admit to being somewhat jaded wrt college. We've gotten to the point where we, as a society, seem to feel that everyone should get to go to college. Well..... Not everyone should. Not everyone has the interest or the ability. Some kids should be encouraged to pursue trades. In general, I think most kids (not MINE, of course! LOL) would be well served with a gap year or two of some type of community/military service type option. Time to mature, learn something about life, a chance to learn about themselves and what they want from life.

While I agree that not every kid should go to college, I feel every kid that wants to should at least be able to. We as parents are the ones that need to identify whether or not our kids should be pushed to go to a traditional college or trade schools. We know them, we've seen their grade and motivation progressions so we are the best ones to judge their abilities, and listening to them is our best tool to identify if the child even wants to go to a traditional school or not. That shouldn't be on the schools to determine (class hardships have a way of weeding out the no's anyway). Nor should that determination be made via means vs no means (making college free or lower cost vs leaving tuition as is). We as a society need to recognize that yes, trade schools ARE legitimate schools just as much as universities are and no, heading to a trade school doesn't always mean a life of burger flipping or vans down by the river. Also that a college degree doesn't always a path to success lead. But I feel taking on the attitude of not everyone should "get to go to" college is a bit of an awkward way of going about college. Yes everyone should "get to go" but I wholeheartedly agree we need to stop teaching that everyone "should".

 

[RRevak]

This is true. Just as colleges/universities differ in their rigor. I know some colleges in my state that will accept CC credit/coursework. Many will not.

Wow really? That actually kinda stinks as often times a student will take a class at a CC not for difficulty reasons, but for financial or timeframe reasons. I know i've taken CC classes as a transient because the class/classes I needed at the time weren't offered in a timeframe I could work with at my university. I DO know that there are classes that a university will try and urge the student to take with them rather than at a CC, and this even applies to AA to BA transfers etc, but never heard of a university not accepting the coursework credits if they offer the same class. That bites even more for lower income students too as CC classes are much cheaper so if a student is having a lean semester then being limited can create a hardship and delay graduation.

 

[Zigner]

Wow really? That actually kinda stinks as often times a student will take a class at a CC not for difficulty reasons, but for financial or timeframe reasons. I know i've taken CC classes as a transient because the class/classes I needed at the time weren't offered in a timeframe I could work with at my university. I DO know that there are classes that a university will try and urge the student to take with them rather than at a CC, and this even applies to AA to BA transfers etc, but never heard of a university not accepting the coursework credits if they offer the same class. That bites even more for lower income students too as CC classes are much cheaper so if a student is having a lean semester then being limited can create a hardship and delay graduation.

CC counselors should be well versed in how their courses/credits will transfer to a university (at least, within the same state.)

 

[RRevak]

CC counselors should be well versed in how their courses/credits will transfer to a university (at least, within the same state.)

Oh pumpkin, if you even knew how bad some of the counselors at some of our CC down here were. Case in point; the daughter of a friend of mine was at a CC on course for transfer to major in Biology. She wanted to take a microbiology class but the class wasn't offered in a timeframe she could attend at the CC so she checked into a local university. University had said class, approved the class, and things looked a go. Counselor told her the ONLY prereq for the micro class was Bio1 and Bio2 which she had taken and passed with A's so her taking it as a transient would be fine. So onto the class she went at the university and it was clear within the first week that something was amiss. Checked into the universities prereqs for the same class and THEIR prereqs were Bio 1 & 2, Chem 1 & 2, and Organic chem. So she was totally lost and ended up having to drop the class. My husband has also had some major issues with the CC telling him information that was one thing on their end and something completely different on the universities end. Really, some of them just shouldn't have jobs as counselors.

 

[stealth2]

CC counselors should be well versed in how their courses/credits will transfer to a university (at least, within the same state.)

"Should" and "are" are two different animals, unfortunately.