New York City Transit Violation of Rule 1050.4(a)

[EveryoungRay]

What is the name of your state? New York
Would like to know where and when I made the violation. I traveled from Queens to Brooklyn on Subway and then asked the driver on the Selective Bus Service where to sweep my card, he told me to move back and I moved back. After two stops a Inspector comes and asks me where is my receipt. I said I have metro card, I asked the driver where to sweep my card, but rather answering my question he told me to move back. He pulled me out of the bus and gave me a ticket of $100 for violation of Rule 1050.4(a). It was the job of the driver to tell me that go out and get a receipt to travel in this bus. I had a valid transfer from bus to subway. Then I explained the whole situation by mail to adjudicating officer, he writes me that NOV is valid, relying on Bus Driver statement is no defense. Let me make it clear that this was the first time I was using Select Bus Service, there were no sign inside the bus or outside the bus, yes there were few boxes about 50' away from where I boarded the bus. I am entering your property asking where to render my metro card, you gave me permission to remain on the bus, which is against the law and made me more riskier for a violation. You are the criminal not me. I do not know anything about select bus service, my metro card transaction proofs that I did not violate any rules of MTA, the conduct of both driver and inspector was inhuman. I even asked the inspector to confirm my statement let me sweep my card here. He said no and told me if anyone ask you for ticket show them this yellow slip. Means driver is not there just to sit down he has other part of the job to communicate with the rider as well. On the other end inspectors are there to issue you ticket so that they can keep there job, and let the management know that they need us because the riders are not paying fares and we are loosing money. I will fight this case to the end. If anyone has any good answer please reply right away, where I have to proof the receipt they have to proof too that the ticket issued was sure a fare evasion. Now I will apply for Appeal. Today I will take that action but if I get your response in time I can learn something from your experience. They owe me a free ride. This is like a civilized mugger is mugging you with $100 ticket. This department should totally be finished by MTA, and the vending machine should be inside so the driver can see every movement of every rider. The ride should be convenience for the rider and not convenience for just writing tickets. They should issue ticket when they can confirm that ticket violation did took place after the reading produced at the stop of metro card where he got you, which gives him the power for sure to issue the ticket it the metro card was paid or not. This department should be closed totally and they can grow there revenue and we can get better service and friendly approach and not hostile approach or disrespect approach from these inspector who have evil mind to just issue ticket to keep there job by hook or crook. Give them a scanning machine and if metro card does not work we will be more than happy to pay $100 fine, not on blind call.

 

[FlyingRon]

You pay your fare for the Select Bus Service PRIOR to getting on the bus and must retain the receipt

Sorry, you found the driver unhelpful, but he's not responsible to explain to you how to ride the bus. They're also under no obligation to allow you to avoid the violation by subsequently paying the fare after you got caught.

 

[HighwayMan]

...this was the first time I was using Select Bus Service, there were no sign inside the bus or outside the bus...

Wrong. There are signs at the bus stops where the Select Bus stops that explain what you need to do.

You're guilty - there is no way you will get out of this one.

 

[EveryoungRay]

Why you think that whatever I am writing is not right. If I saw sign or driver directed me to the right vending machine what I have to loose if the card had the valid transfer to the bus. Now if you are saying no one listen to me then I think this is another way of MTA keeping there job and killing innocent guys with fine. Thanks for all your help and response. But I will fight this is not right. There is no other transportation otherwise MTA would have gone bankrupt.

 

[EveryoungRay]

You pay your fare for the Select Bus Service PRIOR to getting on the bus and must retain the receipt

Sorry, you found the driver unhelpful, but he's not responsible to explain to you how to ride the bus. They're also under no obligation to allow you to avoid the violation by subsequently paying the fare after you got caught.

Thanks for taking out time to response. But this is not right. I saw an article here stating that to proof my case I have to get a report myself from MTA to see whether that transaction what I am talking about is valid. And a copy of that means all transaction on my metro card. Last Friday I called them and asked them about Appeal as well about the transaction. What they are now saying that I have been fined because the subway transfer on this bus is not valid. Then I called MTA and they told me it is valid. I just mailed them the Appeal package and lets see what happens and requested them to mail all my transaction on that particular card. Because everything cannot be in their favor, we are riders and we should be given same treatment. This is simply mugging an individual on street but in a civilized way. To make things more complicated for rider just to make money by hook or crook which is not right. I had a valid transfer on my metro card and it should be honored, irregardless whether the person had the receipt or not. I will keep you posted as the things unwinds. If they disagree I will take them to an independent arbitrator, in this case Supreme Court of New York State, if they dismiss that will show they know how to do business, if the driver is there just to watch guys faces there and let them board the bus for free is not the right appraoch, he got me trapped to pay fine. Anyway I appreciate your response and very nicely written too.

 

[HighwayMan]

If they disagree I will take them to an independent arbitrator, in this case Supreme Court of New York State...

I doubt that, unless you want to spend tons of money.

The Transit Adjudication Bureau is an administrative tribunal. There is no appeals process outside of the Appeals Board and if you want to make this into a big case and try to get your administrative decision into the regular court system you'll need an attorney and you'd better have deep pockets.

It gets to a point where it's just not worth it. Spending thousands to avoid a lousy $100 fine makes no sense.

By the way, my impression is that you think a "Supreme Court" is the highest court in the state, but it is not. That would be the New York State Court of Appeals.

 

[EveryoungRay]

I doubt that, unless you want to spend tons of money.

The Transit Adjudication Bureau is an administrative tribunal. There is no appeals process outside of the Appeals Board and if you want to make this into a big case and try to get your administrative decision into the regular court system you'll need an attorney and you'd better have deep pockets.

It gets to a point where it's just not worth it. Spending thousands to avoid a lousy $100 fine makes no sense.

By the way, my impression is that you think a "Supreme Court" is the highest court in the state, but it is not. That would be the New York State Court of Appeals.

You are right, but I am fighting what is right. I have completed half journey half journey is on my card from subway to bus. If they make their own law this is just cheating the rider for no reason. We are no children here that I have to have a receipt to proof that it is a transfer ride, if you are talking about credit card it shows all transaction on your card, where that information they hold. They should give this clowns an scanner who can scan our card before writing a ticket. I go for what is right. I see this as the guys want to save their job and by hook or crook they issue ticket to you. We live in a civilized society and this baby games had to stop, if the MTA cannot make money give it to private sector and see how the profit runs up.

 

[Zigner]

Not only did you not follow the rules, but you failed to even familiarize yourself with them. Stop blaming "the man" and start placing blame where it belongs, which is squarely on your own shoulders.

 

[EveryoungRay]

I am a positive thinker, you first proof where I did not put the fare, every now and then you come with new rules. first local stops. then comes unlimited stops and finally comes receipt to carry for your journey, MTA do not need them the machine inside the bus is best for all rider, this way they cannot generate revenue but will get broke with more expenses. I need a proof that I did paid $2.75 in the subway, I am entitled for free transfer to bus, if the driver is incompetent to inform me where to get transfer, and the Adjudication Office is saying that bus does not honor transfer, then I called MTA they told me the selective bus service do honor subway to bus transfer. They are simply bunch of lairs to keep there job, no intention to listen what the rider has to say. You answer me why so much complication in boarding a SBS, with no sign no where not even on trip planner that boarding a SBS you should get your transfer from the machine outside not inside. If you think that is right and I think that is totally wrong then an arbitrator has to decide what should really be amended or they are right. I appreciate your response. I will update you if appeal dismiss my case or higher court.

 

[Zigner]

Best of luck to you.

 

[EveryoungRay]

Thanks.

 

[HighwayMan]

Yes, you'll need it.

 

[EveryoungRay]

Sure some one has to step in to change what is wrong.

 

[FlyingRon]

You still need to use your metrocard at the SelectBus ticket machine to get the free transfer and take the receipt.

 

[EveryoungRay]

Great enjoy the vacation