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quincy

Senior Member
I'm not entirely sure I understand what she means when she said the physicians are suing me and not the hospital. I understand the verbiage, but not the context. When you walk into the E.R. isn't an E.R. physician the person you're expecting service from as provided by the hospital? I'm unsure how this makes a difference and what it potentially means for me regarding this bill.
You can read the information from the Law Help link again to see what medical services are covered by Charity Care and what services aren't.

Thanks, Shadowbunny. My link added an "s" to "resource" which shouldn't have been added.
 


Moofies

Active Member
You can read the information from the Law Help link again to see what medical services are covered by Charity Care and what services aren't.

Thanks, Shadowbunny. My link added an "s" to "resource" which shouldn't have been added.
Alright. I think I figured it out. It's under 'Providers who do not follow [hospital]'s financial assistance determinations' and the emergency physicians group that is suing us is there.

So, I think I'm pretty screwed.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Alright. I think I figured it out. It's under 'Providers who do not follow [hospital]'s financial assistance determinations' and the emergency physicians group that is suing us is there.

So, I think I'm pretty screwed.
True. The collection agency might get a judgment against you and you might not be eligible for Charity Care.

Your husband is not a named party to the suit, right? The judgment creditor can only go after your wages, your assets. Joint assets are at risk but your husband's wages would not be subject to garnishment, although money deposited by your husband in a joint bank account would be vulnerable.
 

Moofies

Active Member
True. The collection agency might get a judgment against you and you might not be eligible for Charity Care.

Your husband is not a named party to the suit, right? The judgment creditor can only go after your wages, your assets. Joint assets are at risk but your husband's wages would not be subject to garnishment, although money deposited by your husband in a joint bank account would be vulnerable.
He is named in it. We both are. It's for a medical bill for our daughter.

So, knowing what I do now, I'm just trying to figure out my options. I can't afford $4500 in one lump sum, and the agency won't talk payment plans.

I guess my husband could potentially pull from his 401k. I don't know of any other means to pay this, and the woman I spoke with from the collection agency said I can't contact the physicians group suing me, etc. I don't think there's anything else I can really do.
 

Moofies

Active Member
My husband messaged me saying he is pre-approved for a in-service withdrawl and the amount pre-approved is above what they're asking and will take 2-7 business days if we do it.

@quincy, you've been pretty A-game following my thread, could you weigh in with your gut opinion on what we should do? If the woman I spoke to is right (and I think she likely is) they're going to win the summary judgement either way.

At this point, now, I'm just ready to be done with it in the simplest way possible without having to worry about it ever again.
 

quincy

Senior Member
My husband messaged me saying he is pre-approved for a in-service withdrawl and the amount pre-approved is above what they're asking and will take 2-7 business days if we do it.

@quincy, you've been pretty A-game following my thread, could you weigh in with your gut opinion on what we should do? If the woman I spoke to is right (and I think she likely is) they're going to win the summary judgement either way.

At this point, now, I'm just ready to be done with it in the simplest way possible without having to worry about it ever again.
The simplest way possible without having to worry about the medical debt again very well might be withdrawing funds early from the 401(k).

Generally it would not be recommended because of the tax penalties but because of Covid-19 and the CARES Act, it is currently possible to withdraw funds early from a 401(k) with fewer penalties. You potentially could qualify for a hardship withdrawal.

I hope your daughter is okay.
 

Moofies

Active Member
I'm thinking that's what we're going to end up having to do.

Our daughter's okay, just a little lonely from quarantine. She broke her arm, but that was in 2014 and has long since healed. She's currently making slime from a video tutorial.
 

quincy

Senior Member
I'm thinking that's what we're going to end up having to do.

Our daughter's okay, just a little lonely from quarantine. She broke her arm, but that was in 2014 and has long since healed. She's currently making slime from a video tutorial.
I think everyone is a little lonely right
now but I know it can be especially hard for kids to be away from their friends.

Making slime is a good way to pass some time, though. My kids made some a few weeks ago - probably from the same video. Haha.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do with the debt. I would check into hardship withdrawal, though, if you go the 401(k) withdrawal route.
 

Moofies

Active Member
I think everyone is a little lonely right
now but I know it can be especially hard for kids to be away from their friends.

Making slime is a good way to pass some time, though. My kids made some a few weeks ago - probably from the same video. Haha.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do with the debt. I would check into hardship withdrawal, though, if you go the 401(k) withdrawal route.
Haha, she's 8, but I feel like she's watched every slime video under the sun. There's been some pretty great results. My favorite one is the slime batch that turned out to be identical to synthetic banana flavor from the 90's.


Thanks, @quincy. You've been a saint.
 

Moofies

Active Member
For anyone ever stumbling upon this, here's some information I learned the hard way about dealing with medical debt as a result of an emergency room visit. I'm not an attorney, I'm a laymen with little experience in dealing with the law.


1. Look closely at the bill sent to you. At the top of the medical billing receipt where it breaks down the billing, look for the name of the department above that breakdown. It might seem generic, but don't assume it's just standard verbiage for their purposes. It's important information for you as well.

2. Find out online through the hospital website or call their billing department directly and make sure that the physicians/department that treated you is covered under their Charity Care/Financial Aid Department. Get confirmation if you're unsure. Get confirmation even if you are, and then ask for the contact to deal with their billing department specifically. If it's under the hospital's umbrella program, immediately apply for Charity Care/Financial Aid.

3. If it's not, find out. Don't assume just because you went to the E.R. the charges are under the umbrella of the hospital programs. That's not always the case. Hospitals often hire physicians to cover emergency room cases and their billing isn't the same as the hospital. It's okay to be upset about this because it seems misleading, but complaining about it won't be a good defense down the road, especially if it's already gone to collections. It's also important to note that private physicians or physician groups may be less flexible with time frames in dealing with your charges.

4. Stay in communications with the billing department with whomever you deem is charging you. Square away any insurance mixups immediately, if you have insurance. Don't delay it in any way. Contact your insurance provider and request confirmation in the mail. Follow up with the charges directly and request confirmation as to whether it was approved or not. If it was denied once, they won't always automatically try again. You almost certainly will need to contact your insurance directly if it was denied. If your insurance company resolves the issue, notify medical billing immediately and give them the corrected information. Confirm, confirm, confirm.

5. If you're in collections for the medical debt at this point, don't hesitate to look for legal representation. Look up your local attorneys dealing with medical debt. There may be attorneys that will give you a free consultation. Often, they can at least point you in the right direction. Ask them if there's anything they can do to help your situation. Don't be rude to these people. They know the law better than you and going off track or over talking them is ill advised. Stay on track. Let them ask the questions. They'll probably tell you what we all mostly know deep down: even if you thought you were covered, you're still ultimately responsible. Sit with that. It's a hard pill to swallow, but in the end it's better to assume this than not. And be prepared to make oodles of phone calls. Pace yourself with this, but get it done.

6. Try and negotiate with the debt collectors as early as possible. Try to remain calm. Don't promise what you can't, but don't be afraid to make basic inquiries. For example, you could ask for a payment plan, or a lump sum payment discount. It only becomes harder to do the longer it's in collections, especially if they've begun legal proceedings against you. You can be sued for medical debt, and yes they can potentially garnish your wages in the end. Try to educate yourself as much as possible about the process.

7. If you're served any legal papers don't ignore them and respond to them as soon as you can. Cover your basics by figuring out what exactly it is you need to do. But always respond. If you don't know, you need to put that in your answer. Respond even if you're late. Educate yourself if you're doubtful of what to respond with, how, or if. Go Shia LaBeouf on it: Just Do It.

8. If you're in collections, expect fees and interest. If the court gets involved expect attorney and filing fees.

9. Leave as many paper trails as you can. Save everything. Make copies of everything. Make copies of everything you send. Take notes and establish a timeline for everything. It'll help you each time you sit down or have to discuss it.

10. Evaluate what this is worth when deciding to refute the debt. If you really do think you're not responsible for paying it you will need to have solid proof to present. You'll have to determine if the cost of the debt is worth the cost of legal representation. Carefully decide this. There's a difference between feeling wronged and being legally wronged.


It sucks. I get it. I'm there with you. I made a lot of mistakes and inattentiveness and helplessness were my biggest regrets, but if you can avoid having this happen to you like it happened to me, it's worth swallowing the pride to put it out there. I didn't do what I should've, but you might still be able to. Good luck.

Thank you to everyone here who helped me navigate my personal crash course in this whole ordeal. I deeply appreciate each one of you who have given their time freely toward making this endeavor more easy to understand.
 

quincy

Senior Member
For anyone ever stumbling upon this, here's some information I learned the hard way about dealing with medical debt as a result of an emergency room visit. I'm not an attorney, I'm a laymen with little experience in dealing with the law.


1. Look closely at the bill sent to you. At the top of the medical billing receipt where it breaks down the billing, look for the name of the department above that breakdown. It might seem generic, but don't assume it's just standard verbiage for their purposes. It's important information for you as well.

2. Find out online through the hospital website or call their billing department directly and make sure that the physicians/department that treated you is covered under their Charity Care/Financial Aid Department. Get confirmation if you're unsure. Get confirmation even if you are, and then ask for the contact to deal with their billing department specifically. If it's under the hospital's umbrella program, immediately apply for Charity Care/Financial Aid.

3. If it's not, find out. Don't assume just because you went to the E.R. the charges are under the umbrella of the hospital programs. That's not always the case. Hospitals often hire physicians to cover emergency room cases and their billing isn't the same as the hospital. It's okay to be upset about this because it seems misleading, but complaining about it won't be a good defense down the road, especially if it's already gone to collections. It's also important to note that private physicians or physician groups may be less flexible with time frames in dealing with your charges.

4. Stay in communications with the billing department with whomever you deem is charging you. Square away any insurance mixups immediately, if you have insurance. Don't delay it in any way. Contact your insurance provider and request confirmation in the mail. Follow up with the charges directly and request confirmation as to whether it was approved or not. If it was denied once, they won't always automatically try again. You almost certainly will need to contact your insurance directly if it was denied. If your insurance company resolves the issue, notify medical billing immediately and give them the corrected information. Confirm, confirm, confirm.

5. If you're in collections for the medical debt at this point, don't hesitate to look for legal representation. Look up your local attorneys dealing with medical debt. There may be attorneys that will give you a free consultation. Often, they can at least point you in the right direction. Ask them if there's anything they can do to help your situation. Don't be rude to these people. They know the law better than you and going off track or over talking them is ill advised. Stay on track. Let them ask the questions. They'll probably tell you what we all mostly know deep down: even if you thought you were covered, you're still ultimately responsible. Sit with that. It's a hard pill to swallow, but in the end it's better to assume this than not. And be prepared to make oodles of phone calls. Pace yourself with this, but get it done.

6. Try and negotiate with the debt collectors as early as possible. Try to remain calm. Don't promise what you can't, but don't be afraid to make basic inquiries. For example, you could ask for a payment plan, or a lump sum payment discount. It only becomes harder to do the longer it's in collections, especially if they've begun legal proceedings against you. You can be sued for medical debt, and yes they can potentially garnish your wages in the end. Try to educate yourself as much as possible about the process.

7. If you're served any legal papers don't ignore them and respond to them as soon as you can. Cover your basics by figuring out what exactly it is you need to do. But always respond. If you don't know, you need to put that in your answer. Respond even if you're late. Educate yourself if you're doubtful of what to respond with, how, or if. Go Shia LaBeouf on it: Just Do It.

8. If you're in collections, expect fees and interest. If the court gets involved expect attorney and filing fees.

9. Leave as many paper trails as you can. Save everything. Make copies of everything. Make copies of everything you send. Take notes and establish a timeline for everything. It'll help you each time you sit down or have to discuss it.

10. Evaluate what this is worth when deciding to refute the debt. If you really do think you're not responsible for paying it you will need to have solid proof to present. You'll have to determine if the cost of the debt is worth the cost of legal representation. Carefully decide this. There's a difference between feeling wronged and being legally wronged.


It sucks. I get it. I'm there with you. I made a lot of mistakes and inattentiveness and helplessness were my biggest regrets, but if you can avoid having this happen to you like it happened to me, it's worth swallowing the pride to put it out there. I didn't do what I should've, but you might still be able to. Good luck.

Thank you to everyone here who helped me navigate my personal crash course in this whole ordeal. I deeply appreciate each one of you who have given their time freely toward making this endeavor more easy to understand.
Very nice post, Moofies. The advice you offered should be helpful to others.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
For anyone ever stumbling upon this, here's some information I learned the hard way about dealing with medical debt as a result of an emergency room visit. I'm not an attorney, I'm a laymen with little experience in dealing with the law.


1. Look closely at the bill sent to you. At the top of the medical billing receipt where it breaks down the billing, look for the name of the department above that breakdown. It might seem generic, but don't assume it's just standard verbiage for their purposes. It's important information for you as well.

2. Find out online through the hospital website or call their billing department directly and make sure that the physicians/department that treated you is covered under their Charity Care/Financial Aid Department. Get confirmation if you're unsure. Get confirmation even if you are, and then ask for the contact to deal with their billing department specifically. If it's under the hospital's umbrella program, immediately apply for Charity Care/Financial Aid.

3. If it's not, find out. Don't assume just because you went to the E.R. the charges are under the umbrella of the hospital programs. That's not always the case. Hospitals often hire physicians to cover emergency room cases and their billing isn't the same as the hospital. It's okay to be upset about this because it seems misleading, but complaining about it won't be a good defense down the road, especially if it's already gone to collections. It's also important to note that private physicians or physician groups may be less flexible with time frames in dealing with your charges.

4. Stay in communications with the billing department with whomever you deem is charging you. Square away any insurance mixups immediately, if you have insurance. Don't delay it in any way. Contact your insurance provider and request confirmation in the mail. Follow up with the charges directly and request confirmation as to whether it was approved or not. If it was denied once, they won't always automatically try again. You almost certainly will need to contact your insurance directly if it was denied. If your insurance company resolves the issue, notify medical billing immediately and give them the corrected information. Confirm, confirm, confirm.

5. If you're in collections for the medical debt at this point, don't hesitate to look for legal representation. Look up your local attorneys dealing with medical debt. There may be attorneys that will give you a free consultation. Often, they can at least point you in the right direction. Ask them if there's anything they can do to help your situation. Don't be rude to these people. They know the law better than you and going off track or over talking them is ill advised. Stay on track. Let them ask the questions. They'll probably tell you what we all mostly know deep down: even if you thought you were covered, you're still ultimately responsible. Sit with that. It's a hard pill to swallow, but in the end it's better to assume this than not. And be prepared to make oodles of phone calls. Pace yourself with this, but get it done.

6. Try and negotiate with the debt collectors as early as possible. Try to remain calm. Don't promise what you can't, but don't be afraid to make basic inquiries. For example, you could ask for a payment plan, or a lump sum payment discount. It only becomes harder to do the longer it's in collections, especially if they've begun legal proceedings against you. You can be sued for medical debt, and yes they can potentially garnish your wages in the end. Try to educate yourself as much as possible about the process.

7. If you're served any legal papers don't ignore them and respond to them as soon as you can. Cover your basics by figuring out what exactly it is you need to do. But always respond. If you don't know, you need to put that in your answer. Respond even if you're late. Educate yourself if you're doubtful of what to respond with, how, or if. Go Shia LaBeouf on it: Just Do It.

8. If you're in collections, expect fees and interest. If the court gets involved expect attorney and filing fees.

9. Leave as many paper trails as you can. Save everything. Make copies of everything. Make copies of everything you send. Take notes and establish a timeline for everything. It'll help you each time you sit down or have to discuss it.

10. Evaluate what this is worth when deciding to refute the debt. If you really do think you're not responsible for paying it you will need to have solid proof to present. You'll have to determine if the cost of the debt is worth the cost of legal representation. Carefully decide this. There's a difference between feeling wronged and being legally wronged.


It sucks. I get it. I'm there with you. I made a lot of mistakes and inattentiveness and helplessness were my biggest regrets, but if you can avoid having this happen to you like it happened to me, it's worth swallowing the pride to put it out there. I didn't do what I should've, but you might still be able to. Good luck.

Thank you to everyone here who helped me navigate my personal crash course in this whole ordeal. I deeply appreciate each one of you who have given their time freely toward making this endeavor more easy to understand.
Excellent summary. Best of luck to you.
 

Moofies

Active Member
Sorry to be a bother with another question, but I have some conflicting information.

In the copies of the court filed documents I have from the Plaintiff, they have the date and information for the summary judgment, with the official details, scheduled for 8:30am. On a secondary paper, more of a standard looking form, is the same information except it says 1:30pm.

I'm not looking for reasons to complain persay, but I'm getting these really sloppy and misleading vibes from these legal papers. Is it really okay for the plaintiff to deliver conflicting information to me of this nature? First, I was sent the wrong summary that implicates I have more time to respond than I actually do and implicates that I was making a counterclaim of malpractice which I did not (along with claiming I didn't pay a filing fee), and then, I'm given an entirely different Zoom time for the hearing. (Yes, I realize I can contact the court for my actual time.) I just want to know what gives and if this kind of thing is really allowed.

Near Immediate Edit: I'm sorry, I'm legitimately losing sleep over this (the entire thing, not just this) and I'm having a panic attack. Might be having a little nervous breakdown. I'm going to try to try the pillow again.
 
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quincy

Senior Member
Sorry to be a bother with another question, but I have some conflicting information.

In the copies of the court filed documents I have from the Plaintiff, they have the date and information for the summary judgment, with the official details, scheduled for 8:30am. On a secondary paper, more of a standard looking form, is the same information except it says 1:30pm.

I'm not looking for reasons to complain persay, but I'm getting these really sloppy and misleading vibes from these legal papers. Is it really okay for the plaintiff to deliver conflicting information to me of this nature? First, I was sent the wrong summary that implicates I have more time to respond than I actually do and implicates that I was making a counterclaim of malpractice which I did not (along with claiming I didn't pay a filing fee), and then, I'm given an entirely different Zoom time for the hearing. (Yes, I realize I can contact the court for my actual time.) I just want to know what gives and if this kind of thing is really allowed.

Near Immediate Edit: I'm sorry, I'm legitimately losing sleep over this (the entire thing, not just this) and I'm having a panic attack. Might be having a little nervous breakdown. I'm going to try to try the pillow again.
You should call the court to confirm the date and time for the hearing.
 

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