No cash bail law next year- yikes

[downtheladder]

What is the name of your state? IL


How are people going to cope and protect themselves with the new cash bail law. Won't criminals be having a field day doing dirty things to people?

 

[zddoodah]

How are people going to cope and protect themselves with the new cash bail law.

Protect themselves against what? Regardless of the answer, I think not committing crimes will likely do the trick.

Won't criminals be having a field day doing dirty things to people?

Don't criminals already do that?

 

[downtheladder]

Yeah they do but what rights do we the normal humans have when such a law makes police less to arrest and just ticket the person if they rob you? I'd they kill you how will the law help the police to even arrest someone if you're dead? What will a ticket to the criminal do?

 

[Taxing Matters]

The IL law is not as drastic as you make it. It allows for bail to be set when the suspect is charged with various violent offenses, or where there is convincing evidence the person poses a risk to the community or won't make future court appearances. It's worth remembering that people who are arrested are presumed innocent. Moreover, the U.S. Constitution prohibits "excessive bail". What happens all too often is that persons accused of relatively minor non violent offenses and who are also poor can't meet the bail set and they end up sitting in jail sometimes for many months before their case is resolved one way or another. In short, they get penalized simply for being poor. That is not what bail is supposed to do.

 

[downtheladder]

Well you say that now. The constitution doesn't protect anyone. This federal government has scraped the constitution. Obama even said the constitution is just a piece of paper. Biden is turning races against each other. You must be out of your mind if you think this law won't be abuse and violence and chaos will happen. Look at the riots of 2020. If you told people in asylums they can be free and they enter the community. Well that is what will happen. Even landlords here worry about their properties. Are you on crack?

 

[Just Blue]

Well you say that now. The constitution doesn't protect anyone. This federal government has scraped the constitution. Obama even said the constitution is just a piece of paper. Biden is turning races against each other. You must be out of your mind if you think this law won't be abuse and violence and chaos will happen. Look at the riots of 2020. If you told people in asylums they can be free and they enter the community. Well that is what will happen. Even landlords here worry about their properties. Are you on crack?

You are out of line. Taxing Matters, who is a site vetted Attorney that kindly volunteers his time here to assit people, politely answered your question. You had no cause to be so obnoxiously rude to him.

 

[Taxing Matters]

No, downtheladder, I am not on crack. I've been a practicing attorney for over 20 years. I have a pretty good sense of what is going on and what the Constitution says. Sadly too many Americans don't actually understand the Constitution, their rights, or a whole lot else about the law.

You say Biden is turning races against each other. Well, Trump was a master at that. Had he been reelected the state of race relations would be even worse.

Nobody is talking about releasing people from "asylums" and the bill to which you refer doesn't say anything about it. Did you actually even read the bill? Or are you just going off what some MAGA pundit said about it?

You are free, of course to oppose the IL bail law and vote out your representatives if any of them voted for it. That's the way the system works, and has worked since 1789. But if you can't stand that others may have different views than your own, then perhaps a democracy is not a system well suited to you.

 

[quincy]

What is the name of your state? IL


How are people going to cope and protect themselves with the new cash bail law. Won't criminals be having a field day doing dirty things to people?

There remains for everyone pretrial release conditions that must be met. What has been eliminated is only the money necessary for release.

Here is a link to the law as it is now and what it will be starting on January 1, 2023 (725 ILCS 195/2):

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072501950K2

What the elimination of cash bail does is makes the justice system fairer. The new law eliminates the advantage wealthy suspects have always had over the suspects who are impoverished. Wealthy suspects have always been released upon posting bail while those who are poor have had to sit in jail because they can’t afford release.

Here is a link to an overview of the Safe-T
Act (which is the Act that includes the change in the bail law) and the link also provides access to the full text of the Act (all 764 pages of it):

https://icjia.illinois.gov/researchhub/articles/the-2021-safe-t-act-icjia-roles-and-responsibilities

 

[stealth2]

If you told people in asylums they can be free and they enter the community.

Homeless people with mental issues. Wait.... didn't that happen a few years ago?

 

[quincy]

Homeless people with mental issues. Wait.... didn't that happen a few years ago?

Several years ago in Michigan, the Governor at the time decided it was smart (from a financial standpoint) to close the majority of State-run mental health hospitals, without planning for alternative care or placement of the occupants of these hospitals. The homeless population grew substantially.

It was one of the more boneheaded moves by Michigan government back then.


(By the way, I am chuckling at your slightly-veiled reference. )

 

[zddoodah]

It doesn't appear that you have a legal issue of your own. Rather, you seem only to want to whine about a law enacted by the ordinary legislative process. If you're unhappy with a law that your elected representatives have passed, then lobby them to reconsider.