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What are the elements needed to prove a frivolous lawsuit case? Malicious prosecution,abuse of process,etc.

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quincy

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So you can't file a new case for frivolous lawsuit unless the old judge said it was frivolous? Even with new evidence that it there was fraud committed?

In cases where people have sued the police for brutality or unlawful detainment or other types of misconduct.

Step # 1 First they must win the case against them
Step # 2 They can bring a case against the local government for the misconduct.

The only requirement for step # 2 is that they are found not guilty in Step # 1. The initial judge does not have to say to declare the police guilty of violating someone's rights at that moment in time.

Lawsuit was dismissed because it had no merit and lacking a valid legal basis. He treated it as a frivolous lawsuit even know he did not utter the words frivolous.

Where does it say in Florida law that the original judge must proclaim the case frivolous at the time? Can anyone quote me the law that said this?
If you believe that the plaintiff, perhaps in cooperation with his attorney, filed a frivolous claim to collect on either insurance money or a payout from you, you might want to investigate this plaintiff more thoroughly. If you find evidence that he has filed slip and fall claims in the past, you may have a better chance of supporting a legal action against him and/or his attorney.

That your case resulted in summary judgment seems to indicate that the judge found the claim not frivolous but rather without sufficient evidence against you to award damages. In other words, the judge didn’t say that the slip and fall didn’t happen and injury resulted but rather that not enough evidence was presented to show you were at fault.

Here is a rather interesting case out of New York that shows what can happen to those who try to defraud businesses and insurance companies by faking slip and fall accidents:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/attorneys-and-doctors-new-york-charged-defrauding-businesses-and-insurance-companies

The New York case was slip and fall on a large scale - $31 million large - but slip and fall scams are not all that uncommon. They can be relatively easy money for scammers who target the unwary business and quick-to-settle insurer.

You appear to have been a target of such a scammer. The scammer walked away with nothing. In that sense, you should be happy. I understand your anger and frustration but you have to decide if pursuing this further is worth your additional time, effort and money.
 
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MioProton

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If you believe that the plaintiff, perhaps in cooperation with his attorney, filed a frivolous claim to collect on either insurance money or a payout from you, you might want to investigate this plaintiff more thoroughly. If you find evidence that he has filed slip and fall claims in the past, you may have a better chance of supporting a legal action against him and/or his attorney.

That your case resulted in summary judgment seems to indicate that the judge found the claim not frivolous but rather without sufficient evidence against you to award damages. In other words, the judge didn’t say that the slip and fall didn’t happen and injury resulted but rather that not enough evidence was presented to show you were at fault.

Here is a rather interesting case out of New York that shows what can happen to those who try to defraud businesses and insurance companies by faking slip and fall accidents:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/attorneys-and-doctors-new-york-charged-defrauding-businesses-and-insurance-companies

The New York case was slip and fall on a large scale - $31 million large - but slip and fall scams are not all that uncommon. They can be relatively easy money for scammers who target the unwary business and quick-to-settle insurer.

You appear to have been a target of such a scammer. The scammer walked away with nothing. In that sense, you should be happy. I understand your anger and frustration but you have to decide if pursuing this further is worth your additional time, effort and money.
This is very hardcore that they actually got people to get unnecessary surgeries and corrupt doctors to go along with it not just corrupt lawyers. There really is evil in this world. However it appears there is a new case to hopefully hold these people accountable for this crime.

I also saw another scam in NYC of people breaking the sidewalk then falling on purpose on a crack in order to sue the building owner.


One thing I am kind of puzzled at is that the original judge who dismissed the case on summary judgment never really heard the evidence on the fraud committed. He was mainly told that even if everything they said was true and looked at in the most favorable light, the law still said we had to have known about it which we did not.
Most of the information we found about how these injuries were preexisting and there had been lawsuits against others for the same injuries were sort of glanced over but not really driven hard in the arguments. It was sort of like something we had in reserve like a plan B in case the case was not thrown out. I don't think the judge was in any way endorsing what happen as viable by not sanctioning them.

The judge seem like a very nice guy, all smiles, good natured, sort of seem like he wanted to be everyone's friend and not like a fire and brimstone type who would hold you in contempt if you looked at him wrong. I don't think he would sanction them no matter how egregious the facts. Also, the goal was primary to get the case dismissed at that stage of the game.

To make an analogy, It's like when a cop wrongfully arrest an innocent person. The first court case is all about beating the charges. Once the charges are beat you can file a civil rights lawsuit maybe with a new lawyer, new court, new judge, etc.... How it was explained by the civil rights attorney on youtube is you basically have to win 2 cases. The first one in order to beat the charges and the second one is about getting restitution against the people who violated your rights. You don't go into the first court and expect to make the bad actors/corrupt cops pay for what they did. It's more about saving your own neck from a bunch of " catch all charges" like resisting arrest, obstruction, disorderly, etc..

Criminal defense attorney on the first case and maybe a civil rights attorney or litigation attorney on the second case. . The first judge/court is not about getting justice against the bad actors, only about beating the charges. It's very rare for the first judge/ court to sanction or fine the bad actor cops/city attorney, etc.... The second case is about getting justice or a settlement against those who wronged you. This attorney had video and video of cops arrested people for absolutely no reason at all and lying about it on the police report. Really is very shocking and horrifying at how many innocent people have probably been put in jail based on false reports before the body cam footage came out.

Anyway, my point is that I don't think the first judge not fining them or sanctioning them is any indication that they are in anyway legitimate. There was not even a countersuit file at that time. It was just about beating the lawsuit even if they were giving the most favorite light and benefit of every doubt. If we really gathered all the information about the previous lawsuit and medical records showing these are pre-existing injuries, it will really paint a true picture of ramped insurance fraud and extortion, attorney corruption, ethics violation, etc.
 

MioProton

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You didn't ask if the original judge had to find a suit frivolous in advance. You asked if a judge had to find the suit frivolous. You can certainly file a motion asking the judge to find the case frivolous and to order sanctions or compensation. However, it is still the judge's decision. There is no default position.
There was no counterclaim made at the original lawsuit. The lawyers who worked for the insurance company representing me as well as several other parties seem to be interested in getting the case dismissed on summary judgment under the premise that even on the most favorable lights to the opposing side and even assuming everything they said was true(which it was not), they still had zero case under the law because we had to have known about the so called danger ahead of time and they were just pointing to rain being wet and some mystery substance that not a single person deposition ever saw. The only thing anyone saw was water from a recent rain storm. on an outdoor parking lot. We never really touched on the fact that these million dollars of injuries were preexisting and had nothing to do with us.

I'm talking about a new lawsuit now to hammer in the facts of this being an outright fraud and a bad faith frivolous lawsuit.
I thought lawyers were officers of the court and required to follow the law not abide by some basic ethics. Perhaps even do some very basic due diligence. This guy took preexisting injuries and tried to turn them into a multi million dollar settlement while hiding the preexisting conditions by absolute lying about HIPPA laws. If the bar actually was honest, I think they would disbar this guy but it's probably like the internal affairs for cops where they investigated themselves and found they did nothing wrong.
 

MioProton

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The judge has to literally call it frivolous. Just because someone loses a case does not make it a frivolous suit.
The case for it being frivolous was never properly argued. There was not a countersuit. It was thrown out even when looked at in the most favorable light to the opposing side because the law did not support their case even at that level.

All the information about how this was preexisting injuries was lightly mentioned but not really covered since it was not necessary to get the case thrown out. The goal was simple to get the case thrown out at that time. Now that the case is thrown about, I believe it's time to pressure justice towards the corrupt attorney who lied on sworn statement as well as the con-artist who he conspired with.

The attorney tried to hide these preexisting injuries and shake us down for millions from a slip and fall there is no evidence of even happening using injuries which happens years prior with an unrelated car accident. This is insurance fraud and probably criminal.
 

quincy

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The case for it being frivolous was never properly argued. There was not a countersuit. It was thrown out even when looked at in the most favorable light to the opposing side because the law did not support their case even at that level.

All the information about how this was preexisting injuries was lightly mentioned but not really covered since it was not necessary to get the case thrown out. The goal was simple to get the case thrown out at that time. Now that the case is thrown about, I believe it's time to pressure justice towards the corrupt attorney who lied on sworn statement as well as the con-artist who he conspired with.

The attorney tried to hide these preexisting injuries and shake us down for millions from a slip and fall there is no evidence of even happening using injuries which happens years prior with an unrelated car accident. This is insurance fraud and probably criminal.
You have had the case before a judge who dismissed it. I know you are still upset about having had a claim filed against you - and with good reason - but I don’t see that your options on what to do about this now have changed.
 

MioProton

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You may, as has been suggested before, make a complaint about the attorney with the Florida Bar, which is the body responsible for licensing, regulating, and disciplining lawyers. That doesn't get you any money, but if the Bar finds he violated the rules of professional practice it can punish him for it, up to disbarment from the practice of law.

If a plaintiff's claim is frivolous, you bring a motion in that case for the court to dismiss it for that reason and ask for any money sanctions then if you had to needlessly expend money because of the frivolous filing. The fact that the court dismissed it on summary judgment rather than because it was frivolous indicates the plaintiff's case, as stated in the pleadings, was not frivolous. The plaintiff lost because the judge determined that after reading the complaint and viewing all the all the available evidence in the light most favorable to the plaintiff it is clear to the judge that the plaintiff didn't have enough to prevail as a matter of law. That's different than the case being frivolous.

When the lawyer misstates the law, you tell the judge that, though in general the judge is going to find out about that anyway when the judge verifies what he/she was told by the parties/attorneys involved with the case.

Just because the plaintiff had prior injuries doesn't mean he's blocked from suing over new injuries sustained as a result of someone's negligence. It makes the case harder for the plaintiff to win because the plaintiff has to show that there were new injuries or that old injuries were aggravated as a result of the alleged negligence. It is not, however, impossible to do. With the right evidence it is possible to show that there are new injuries distinct from the old ones.

As far as dragging in people for depositions that you think aren't necessary for the case, the law allows pretty wide berth for the parties to discover relevant evidence favorable to their case. That can include things other than just eye witnesses accounts of the incident in dispute. Taking a deposition of a CEO of a small company is unlike taking a deposition of a CEO of a multi-billion dollar world wide enterprise with many thousands of employees. The former is much more likely to know everything that goes on in the business he or she runs than the latter. If you felt that the person being deposed could not possibly have knowledge of anything relevant to the case, you could have brought a motion with the court to object to that deposition. The person being deposed could have done that too.

Sometimes the lawyer will have a reason to think that the person has something relevant to provide and upon taking the deposition finds out there's not much useful from the testimony. That doesn't mean the lawyer violated any rule in taking the deposition. Lawyers in discovery and investigation of the case are going to look at anything they can think of to pursue that might be helpful to their case. Not everything they pursue yields something useful. But so long as the lawyer has a good faith belief that something relevant to the case may be uncovered the lawyer is not violating the rules.

If you want to see if there is any basis for suing the plaintiff's attorney consult a civil litigation attorney. But it may be that while the attorney's actions were aggressive in pursuing the case there wasn't any negligence or any intentional tort committed by the lawyer. So go into this with the understanding that while you feel strongly about what the attorney did, there may not be anything for you to sue the lawyer and win money damages. It sucks to get pulled into a lawsuit that ultimately fails. Spending time and money defending yourself is not fun. But our legal system allows a plaintiff to sue if he's got some basis for the suit, even if it ultimately turns out he/she doesn't have what it takes to win. Plaintiffs and their lawyers aren't punished by the law merely for bringing a case that turns out to be a loser.
How did the IRS treat Wesley Snipes for coming up with some taxation theories that failed in court?

If the Florida bar is anything like the California bar who allowed over 200 complaints against the attorney Tom Girard for decades before taking action. He actually stole money from his own clients but bar refused to act for decades and 200 complaints. Internal affairs for police almost always say " We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong" no matter how egregious the case and even if courts later on find the cops guilty.
I am wondering if a bar that does not take the case seriously and refuses to take action against the attorney serve to poison a possible litigation against the bad attorney? Maybe something he could tell the jury about how he was " found innocent by the bar association" ?

Some doctors don't want to contradict another doctors maybe some attorney don't want to go against another attorney? I'm not sure.


So anyway, this attorney is suppose to be an officer of the court and not facilitate fraud to happen. They are not suppose to lie about the law to take preexisting injuries and get millions of dollars for them. That is called insurance fraud.

You talk about how they are allowed to bring a suit as long as they have some basis for it. What exactly is some basis? What is the required due diligence? Would a attorney and lawfirm who specializes in ambulance chasing(personal injury) be familiar with HIPPAA law? Would they perhaps be more familiar with HIPPAA law than say a non-personal injury attorney? Was it a coincidence that he would stop quoting the law right when it said that court actions are an exception to the protections? He already had sworn statement saying we know nothing about a trip hazard but he wanted to drag people like the CEO of companies we work with who did not even witness the event or and only been on the property like 5 years prior the incident to ask him about his education level and other properties in other states, what kind of car he drives, etc.. That is not just harassing people for the sake of harassing trying to stall for time. None of these question is going to win them a case but it might annoy people into offering a settlement so they will be left alone.

"There were new injuries or that old injuries were aggravated" How are you going to prove they were new injuries when you cover up that the injuries were preexisting by lying about the law and coverup up the records. He was suing for millions as if these were new crimpling injuries.

As far as aggravating an old injury. Well, take anyone with an injury such a broken arm, broken leg, cracked scull and almost nothing is going to aggravate that. A person casual bumping into someone will aggravate an injury that someone already has. Heck, just walking around is might aggravate that. Speed bump in the parking lot when you driver over in your car, imperfections in the road, car vibration from the engine, etc... If your eyes are dilated, then the ceiling lights will aggravate that. If you are diabetic, the sugar snacks at a supermarket will aggravate that. Maybe there are ear condition that background music might aggravate, etc... That seems like a catch-all where anyone with an medical issue can sue anyone they want to pay for it by saying it was aggravated. Since there are no cameras in the bathroom, just claim the floor was wet and it aggravated in injury and you basically have a license to steal. Maybe drag in the CEO, VP,CFO, and board members of Kroger for lengthy deposition if things go south. Ask them what they know about bathroom plumbing and how toilets work or if they have experience using a bathroom. I am sure the attorney must have a good reason for doing this and its not about harassing people at the top to be a pain and elicit a settlement.

Also, this idea of "aggravating an injury" or medical condition, anything and everything can aggravate something if you are really hurt to begin with.

This attorney tried to get MILLIONS with an M over something that may have never even happen. No one saw it. No one. When the case was obvious there was nothing there, he drags the CEO in and people who may have not been on the property for literally years asking them random silly question to take up the time and not slowing down on the people he wanted to drag into harassment.

Normally when you ask to deposition more people than what is normally allowed in a case, you might be getting closer and closer to the truth perhaps releaving more from each person you deposition. This was no information from the beginning and each person knew less and less about the alleged incident. Until he was deposition people who did not even remember being on the property because it had been literally years.

Should he has verified the injuries were real? The slip and fall actually happen? The people he deposition had some kind of knowledge of the situation at hand? Perhaps not intentionally misquoted the law to cover up the injuries. In fact, he asked US for his own client's medical records so that he could conceal what we did not already know. Is this how a officer of the court and someone who is suppose to uphold the law and not collaborate in fraud suppose to do? The attorney was just as fraudulent at the client who was a ex-con.
 

MioProton

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You have had the case before a judge who dismissed it. I know you are still upset about having had a claim filed against you - and with good reason - but I don’t see that your options on what to do about this now have changed.
When you ask for a case to be thrown on summary judgement, the judge is required to look at the case in the most favorable light to the opposing side and still decided to throw out the case. Why would he be the one to declare a case frivolous when he is assuming and giving them every benefit of the doubt and most favorable light imaginable.

He is required to assume everything they are saying is true when it was not yet still there was no case there.

If there was a second case, it would come to light all the lies and violation of legal ethics that were committed. The coverup of the preexisting conditions, the lies about HIPPAA law that a personal injury attorney 100% knows what it said but omitted it and lied about the law on purpose,. etc .

A lot of this stuff was never really explored because there was no case even if it were true.

My confusing is why would the first judge/case be the place where these things would be explored and not second case which focus on these other facts? The Judge normally does not act as your attorney or go out of their way to help.
 

quincy

Senior Member
The judge did not act as an attorney or go out of his way to help the plaintiff. He ruled that the evidence presented did not sufficiently support the claim, not that the claim was without merit.

MioProton, I suggest you file a complaint against the plaintiff’s attorney if you feel it necessary to assuage your anger but I don’t think you have any other clear legal path to explore. You can discuss our options with an attorney in your area but I am not sure that regurgitating the same information over and over again here on this forum is going to result in different responses from forum members.

I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do.
 
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