Annoying Tenant

[BL]

The tenant has no such rights. The actual builiding is none of his business. How it is maintained is none of his business. He has no right to observe, make comments or ask questions unless he is directly paying for the work. We are dealing with a contract between the LL and the repair company. The tenant is in no way a party to that contract and as such has no rights to any info regarding that contract.

That's a bunch of Doo Doo , He has a RIGHT to make complaints , etc .

Did not I insinuate He has no right to the actual contract .

I rent . I have a RIGHT to MY rental property anytime I wish to , unless authorities order otherwise ( not the LL ) , I have a right to observe , make comments ( Free speech ) , and ask questions about what's going to be done in MY rental property .

I also have a right to complain to the Build. inspectors W/0 retaliation .

 

[noisefrazzle]

Well, no, we are not on bad terms. That's the thing. We have not had any confrontations and are always cordial. His incoherent, inexplicable manner of talking/dealing with things irritates me but I'm an adult; I haven't gone around picking fights with him or insulting him. It's also not as if we aren't going to inform him of the work that is going to be done once decisions are made. That's how we've dealt with everything else that has been done. We have every intention of sitting down and talking to the tenants and letting them know what needs to be done and the best way to go about it without too much disruption to them. But if he has no LEGAL right to be at the consulting/hiring process then we will tell him flat out that he is not part of it. I want to conduct my business in peace without a twitchy tenant following me, interrupting my questions and generally acting as if he's going to be in on the decisions. I was a renter for most of my adult life and never once thought of racing home from work to jump in on a meeting between my landlord and his contractors.

NF

 

[justalayman]

Now you are trying to turn things areound. We were discussing the right to be included. This he does not have.

He obviously can observe if there. He has no right to demand to be there though.

He can make comments. The LL and contractor have no requirement to address them.

He can ask questions. The LL and contractor have no requirement to answer.

Actually, the contractor may be able to charge the tenant if he demands information. As an independant contracting company, I have no responsibility to anybody except those who pay me. If the tenant does not pay for anything, he has no rights to have questions answered.

Additionally, if the tenant causes any charges becasue he delays the contractor or obstructs the contractor, he may be able to be held liable for them.

 

[BL]

Now you are trying to turn things areound. We were discussing the right to be included. This he does not have.

He obviously can observe if there. He has no right to demand to be there though.

He can make comments. The LL and contractor have no requirement to address them.

He can ask questions. The LL and contractor have no requirement to answer.

Actually, the contractor may be able to charge the tenant if he demands information. As an independant contracting company, I have no responsibility to anybody except those who pay me. If the tenant does not pay for anything, he has no rights to have questions answered.

Additionally, if the tenant causes any charges becasue he delays the contractor or obstructs the contractor, he may be able to be held liable for them.

Charge the tenant for What ? Wanting to know what's going to take place and how ?

If the intentions are to sit down with the tenants and explain , why on earth can't it be explained to the LL and tenant at the SAME time , geesh .

How much extra time will it take the contractor , a frigging whole hr . ?

 

[noisefrazzle]

BL, I appreciate your responses. Understand that I am not looking to be an ass to the tenant. I'm on excellent terms with all my tenants and would rather keep it that way. In this case my reluctance to have him at this meeting is based on his PREVIOUS BEHAVIOR. I have my reasons for not wanting him there. The fact that he was intrusive in his behavior before, with the just showing up thing, is a small indication of what I am talking about.

NF

 

[justalayman]

Charge the tenant for What ? Wanting to know what's going to take place and how ?

If the intentions are to sit down with the tenants and explain , why on earth can't it be explained to the LL and tenant at the SAME time , geesh .

How much extra time will it take the contractor , a frigging whole hr . ?

Information. It's not free.

As I stated before,

Actually, the contractor may be able to charge the tenant if he demands information.

If the tenant demands info (other than when and do I have to get out of the way which should actually be addressed by the LL, not the contractor) he is then asking the contractor to provide a service for him. If that was the case, the contractor has every right to expect payment from him for this.

Obviously this is not going to happen but the tenant needs to understand that he has absolutely no rights to be involved in any part of the LL and the contractors dealings other than how to get out of the way. I have no problem with the tenant setting in IF the LL wants to allow it. I do have a problem if the tenant demands he has a right to do so.

By the way, my company charges $70 per hour to advise customers. If the tenant took an hour of my time, I would definately have no trouble charging him. Ask Ohiogal how much her firm charges per hour or JETX. Since when is anything free anymore.

 

[BL]

BL, I appreciate your responses. Understand that I am not looking to be an ass to the tenant. I'm on excellent terms with all my tenants and would rather keep it that way. In this case my reluctance to have him at this meeting is based on his PREVIOUS BEHAVIOR. I have my reasons for not wanting him there. The fact that he was intrusive in his behavior before, with the just showing up thing, is a small indication of what I am talking about.

NF

I'm not exactly on good terms w/ my LL either , only it's the other way around .

To answer your questions , you have no right to preclude Him not be there , make comments ,ask questions , etc .

My suggestion is if He's tipsy , put on your best face , be cordial , and explain the process of repairs , and After the contractor leaves , discuss the issues of work date(s) , inconveniences , Etc .

I as a renter have background knowledge in many areas . I even told my LL it would be cheaper and better to replace an old stove/oven instead of repair . No He wouldn't listen . Guess what I have know ? A New one , and " I tried to tell you comment " .

I observed , asked questions , etc , even while tipsy , and the professionals were professional and Polite . ( hint ) .

I was recently inconvenienced for a whole week , of necessity . The LL did not offer any compensation or care , instead a notice to raise rent .

Try stepping back a moment and looking from the outside in , and be polite and professional .

If the tenant is that much trouble , evict , when eviction time occurs as you States' Laws .

 

[BL]

Information. It's not free.

As I stated before,

If the tenant demands info (other than when and do I have to get out of the way which should actually be addressed by the LL, not the contractor) he is then asking the contractor to provide a service for him. If that was the case, the contractor has every right to expect payment from him for this.

Obviously this is not going to happen but the tenant needs to understand that he has absolutely no rights to be involved in any part of the LL and the contractors dealings other than how to get out of the way. I have no problem with the tenant setting in IF the LL wants to allow it. I do have a problem if the tenant demands he has a right to do so.

By the way, my company charges $70 per hour to advise customers. If the tenant took an hour of my time, I would definately have no trouble charging him. Ask Ohiogal how much her firm charges per hour or JETX. Since when is anything free anymore.

LOMA ...

And .... I just gave some free info .

 

[justalayman]

LOMA ...

And .... I just gave some free info .

So you're cheap. (just kidding)

The point is; The tenant has no rights to be involved. It is not his house and he is not paying for the work.

He cannot be required to be absent but cannot demand to be involved.

If it was me, I would simply arrange to meet the contractor at the predetermined time and proceed with the inspect. If the tenant gets in the way, I would ask him to stay out of the way. If he started to ask questions I would tell him it is going to be taken care of and not to worry about how and to continue to stay out of the way.

After the inspect is done, I would leave with the contractor and discuss the options and cost at another location the tenant can be excluded from. I could do all of this and still be respectful, as long as the tenant remained respectful as well.

The tenant needs to understand that if he wants something fixed, he needs to allow it to be fixed or he is responsible for it not getting fixed.

 

[Ohiogal]

The tenant has no such rights. The actual builiding is none of his business. How it is maintained is none of his business. He has no right to observe, make comments or ask questions unless he is directly paying for the work. We are dealing with a contract between the LL and the repair company. The tenant is in no way a party to that contract and as such has no rights to any info regarding that contract.

I am not saying he has a right to contract or deal with any of the finances -- if he were asking to get into the terms of all of this that would be one thing however he is asking to be present which is allowable. He has a right to know what is happening in his residence. He has a right to be present when people are in his residence. He has a right to know who is entering his residence.

 

[noisefrazzle]

Good Morning Everyone,

I think two different things are being discussed here. It's already been established that he has a right to be in the cottage. I'm no longer worried about that because I have my answer. He has not been kept in the dark about this or any work we've done, nor will he be. But as for him being a full participant in the actual discussion that takes place with the contractor, well, I haven't budged. If his behavior in general were not so odd, and he had said to us, "hey, mind if I tag along when the contractor's here?" I might not have a problem with it, who knows. But his whole manner of dealing with the initial canceled appointment (leaving work early, not mentioning that he was going to be there in the first place, rushing over to our house all red in the face and demanding to know where the contractors were) makes me feel that I would be a fool to allow him to be at the next meeting. This, combined with other things, that is.

BL, I think you are confusing me with your landlord My husband and I have never been disrespectful, rude or unfriendly with these tenants, though we have certainly discussed it in private! And I would never tell a tenant to vacate their rental while work is being done and not compensate them for it.

Right now this guy and his family have done nothing that woud cause them to be evicted. However should he show up at my door and tell me that they want to break the lease early, I would throw my arms around his neck and weep with happiness.

NF

 

[justalayman]

I am not saying he has a right to contract or deal with any of the finances -- if he were asking to get into the terms of all of this that would be one thing however he is asking to be present which is allowable. He has a right to know what is happening in his residence. He has a right to be present when people are in his residence. He has a right to know who is entering his residence.

Sounded a bit more like demanding. No right to demand. You can ask for anything. The law does not require he be present nor does the law give him authority to refuse admittance of the LL.

He has a right to know what is happening in his residence

Kind of sort of. If it involves his personal items or it will change anything promised in his lease, he has every right to know. If it is repair to the house and it has no effect on his living there, again, no rights.

He has a right to be present when people are in his residence.

Not unless the germane states laws require it. I saw nothing that required the tenant to be present in his states statutes. If you have found something that legally gives him that right, I will stand down . I don;t think you will find the tenant has a right to be there anytime the LL enters the residence. As a matter of fact, the LL does not need the tenant permission in this circumstance, merely reasonable notification. http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap830.htm#Sec47a-16.htm

He has a right to know who is entering his residence

Not really. He has a right to be notified when the LL is going to enter the premises. Notice of who the LL brings with her is not a requirement to be within the law. It is a good LL that does inform the tenant but this is not a legal requirement.

 

[Ohiogal]

Justalayman...

Would it make you feel better if I stated it this way:
The landlord has no right to forbid the tenant from being there. The landlord has no right to allow just anyone to enter the tenant's residence without proper notice. The landlord has no right to order him to leave as long as the repair does not make the home uninhabitable.

 

[BL]

Would it make you feel better if I stated it this way:
The landlord has no right to forbid the tenant from being there. The landlord has no right to allow just anyone to enter the tenant's residence without proper notice. The landlord has no right to order him to leave as long as the repair does not make the home uninhabitable.

No , He's justalayman , and as I recall He's doesn't know the Law .

 

[justalayman]

No , He's justalayman , and as I recall He's doesn't know the Law .

I may be justalayman, but I'm right. Your recollection must be a bit foggy BL.

Prove otherwise if I'm not.