can i sue my parents for losing my scholarship

[stealth2]

And again - none of this is likely to matter. NJ Stars is most likely not being funded for the next academic year, at least. No matter what OP and his/her parents may or may not have done.

 

[proud_parent]

And again - none of this is likely to matter. NJ Stars is most likely not being funded for the next academic year, at least. No matter what OP and his/her parents may or may not have done.

Only partially true, according to the state:

For fiscal 2011, no incoming freshman will be accepted into the NJ STARS I program. No current STARS scholarships will be affected by the funding reduction.

http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/11bib/BIB.pdf


That brings up an interesting point. I've reread OP's post, and nowhere did s/he write that the scholarship award was definitive:

What is the name of your state (new jersey)? i moved out of my parents home over a year and a half ago i couldn't do anything about them putting me on there taxes the first year cause i was technically under there roof for most of it since then they have not supported me in any way i even had the have my father sign i notice saying he wasn't supporting me so that i can go the college an receive financial aid with out them and have my nj stars scholarship activate soon after but this year after 2 semesters i have found that i lost my nj star scholarship due to them putting me on there taxes though they want nothing to do with me so i lost me financial support for college and not sure what to do with my taxes can i sue them or something cause as of now i cant attend college

- OP moved out "over a year and a half ago".
- OP "couldn't do anything about them putting me on there [sic] taxes the first year {snipped} since then they have not supported me in any way". (This seems to indicate that the parents were providing at least some support to OP until the beginning of the 2009-2010 academic year.)
- Finally, "this year after 2 semesters i have found that i lost my nj star scholarship".

My guess is that OP was judged in need of remediation upon completing high school in 2009 and was given one year using non-STARS aid to attend courses at a community college. Having failed to meet the achievement requirement in that time, OP has been deemed ineligible to become a STARS scholar.


In other words, I think Silverplum nailed it in the very first response.

 

[justalayman]

My guess is that OP was judged in need of remediation upon completing high school in 2009 and was given one year using non-STARS aid to attend courses at a community college. Having failed to meet the achievement requirement in that time, OP has been deemed ineligible to become a STARS scholar.
e.

well, that surely would explain the writing skills.

 

[stealth2]

p_p... I'm going only by what I know locally. And I do know kids who are still STARS eligible who have not been given continuing funding for next year as a result of our budget crisis. Guess time will tell.

 

[CameronNewport]

Are you basing your entire argument on this?

No, my entire argument is not based on that. There are plenty of possibilities, and I just threw out one. With regard to privacy and departmental sharing: The FAFSA applicant must provide his tax returns as well as consent to the scrutiny. I don't think there are any privacy issues related to taxes.

As for other possibilities, it's quite possible that the OP tried to claim himself on his taxes, the IRS caught the double claim, and the OP's tax return was rejected. Or, as you suggested, it's possible that the OP's parents flat out told him that they claimed him, and therefore, he voluntarily didn't claim himself.

Bottom line: You just can't say that the OP's story is impossible. You don't have enough information about the OP, and frankly, you don't have enough knowledge about this topic.

 

[justalayman]

Bottom line: You just can't say that the OP's story is impossible. You don't have enough information about the OP, and frankly, you don't have enough knowledge about this topic.

Of course I can't say it's impossible just as I cannot say with any certainty there are not alien life forms in the universe but I can say based on what was presented just as the evidence for alien life discovered to date:

it is unlikely

and about knowledge on the topic: you are the one claiming the IRS and FAFSA people share info. You really need to research the privacy laws pertaining to your IRS filing and learn why your possible scenario is not a possibility.

 

[CameronNewport]

and about knowledge on the topic: you are the one claiming the IRS and FAFSA people share info. You really need to research the privacy laws pertaining to your IRS filing and learn why your possible scenario is not a possibility.

Really? Not possible? Are you sure? The CPS processes the FAFSA, and its Privacy Impact Assessment specifically states:

The CPS shares data with the following external entities: Social security Administration (SSA), Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), Department of Justice (DOJ), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Selective Service System (SSS), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The data consists of personal identifying information that is used for identification verification, data validation checks, and application completion.

Individuals providing information on the FAFSA do so voluntarily. If an individual chooses not to provide the information needed to process the FAFSA, their eligibility to receive aid may be delayed or denied. An individual who submits a FAFSA for processing consents to disclosure of their information as published in the system of records notice.

Well isn't that odd? It contradicts what you wrote. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Perhaps you'd like to share the authority on which you rely.

Here's the link to the CPS's PIA: http://www2.ed.gov/notices/pia/pia-cpsfafsaonweb.pdf

Go ahead and read it.

 

[justalayman]

First, you need to read the paragraph immediately following the one you quoted to determine what information is shared.



Then, you are claiming there is a blanket search to attempt to correlate the students SS number with a not included taxpayers SS number. There is nothing the FAFSA applicant could sign that would allow any disclosure of an unnamed taxpayer information to the FAFSA/CPS folks but here are a couple sources that would provide the controlling rules.

Internal Revenue Code
Privacy Act of 1974


Go ahead and read them, go ahead.

Then get back to me.

 

[CameronNewport]

First, you need to read the paragraph immediately following the one you quoted to determine what information is shared.

No. The paragraph immediately following the one I quoted is irrelevant, as that discusses the information shared pursuant to the "FAFSA on the Web (FOTW)" tool. The paragraph I quoted pertains to the CPS as a whole, and is applicable even if an applicant chooses not to use the "FAFSA on the Web" tool.

Then, you are claiming there is a blanket search to attempt to correlate the students SS number with a not included taxpayers SS number. There is nothing the FAFSA applicant could sign that would allow any disclosure of an unnamed taxpayer information to the FAFSA/CPS folks

The IRS obviously has the right to view both the parent's tax return as well as the OP's. The FAFSA people have the authority to validate the OP's information with the IRS. If the IRS rejects the OP's tax return because he was claimed by somebody else, then that fact can be disclosed to the FAFSA people. Bottom line: They'll know that he's a dependent.

 

[justalayman]

CameronNewport;2565080]No. The paragraph immediately following the one I quoted is irrelevant, as that discusses the information shared pursuant to the "FAFSA on the Web (FOTW)" tool. The paragraph I quoted pertains to the CPS as a whole, and is applicable even if an applicant chooses not to use the "FAFSA on the Web" tool.

No it's not. That entire section lists what info might be exchanged, with whom, and why and that paragraph is saying why any info would be exchanged with the IRS. There is no claim of a blanket sharing of all info between those agencies.

The FAFSA people have the authority to validate the OP's information with the IRS.

You stretch things so far trying to make your point your rubber band is about to snap.

and you still fail to explain how the FAFSA folks will figure out who the parents of the FAFSA applicant is without the parents information given to them via the FAFSA form. and how FAFSA would be allowed any rights to any information of a taxpayer that has NOT signed a legally required release for the IRS to release any information other than some very basic info.

still you argue that there is some magical folder where all family groups are put together so anybody that needs to find the parents of some FAFSA applicant and then you argue further that that information can be disclosed to the FAFSA people.

Unless the parents willingly allow the information to be inserted on the FAFSA form and sign any associated release, the IRS cannot simply go willy nilly checking on tax returns.



and to add to whipping on you, did you notice where the link you provided spoke of the Computer Matching Agreement?

Here is something out of USC for you:

(b) Conditions of Disclosure.— No agency shall disclose any record which is contained in a system of records by any means of communication to any person, or to another agency, except pursuant to a written request by, or with the prior written consent of, the individual to whom the record pertains, unless disclosure of the record would be—

(1) to those officers and employees of the agency which maintains the record who have a need for the record in the performance of their duties;
(2) required under section 552 of this title;
(3) for a routine use as defined in subsection (a)(7) of this section and described under subsection (e)(4)(D) of this section;
(4) to the Bureau of the Census for purposes of planning or carrying out a census or survey or related activity pursuant to the provisions of title 13;
(5) to a recipient who has provided the agency with advance adequate written assurance that the record will be used solely as a statistical research or reporting record, and the record is to be transferred in a form that is not individually identifiable;
(6) to the National Archives and Records Administration as a record which has sufficient historical or other value to warrant its continued preservation by the United States Government, or for evaluation by the Archivist of the United States or the designee of the Archivist to determine whether the record has such value;
(7) to another agency or to an instrumentality of any governmental jurisdiction within or under the control of the United States for a civil or criminal law enforcement activity if the activity is authorized by law, and if the head of the agency or instrumentality has made a written request to the agency which maintains the record specifying the particular portion desired and the law enforcement activity for which the record is sought;
(8) to a person pursuant to a showing of compelling circumstances affecting the health or safety of an individual if upon such disclosure notification is transmitted to the last known address of such individual;
(9) to either House of Congress, or, to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, any committee or subcommittee thereof, any joint committee of Congress or subcommittee of any such joint committee;
(10) to the Comptroller General, or any of his authorized representatives, in the course of the performance of the duties of the Government Accountability Office;
(11) pursuant to the order of a court of competent jurisdiction; or
(12) to a consumer reporting agency in accordance with section 3711 (e) of title 31.

so, are you saying CPS is exempt from Federal law?

 

[CameronNewport]

No it's not. That entire section lists what info might be exchanged, with whom, and why and that paragraph is saying why any info would be exchanged with the IRS. There is no claim of a blanket sharing of all info between those agencies.

I guess we'll just have to disagree about that, but it seems obvious to me. Why would the PIA lump the IRS in with the other agencies and claim that they can verify data, and then say the opposite about the IRS in the very next paragraph? Why aren't the other agencies mentioned in the next paragraph? Why would the one paragraph begin with "The CPS shares data," which implies that it's broadly talking about the CPS as a whole, and the next paragraph begin with "The CPS/FAFSA on the Web," which implies that it's limiting it's discussion to the "FAFSA on the Web" tool and is not talking about CPS broadly? I question how carefully you've read it, and how well you understand some of the language. Do you know what the "FAFSA on the Web" tool is?

and you still fail to explain how the FAFSA folks will figure out who the parents of the FAFSA applicant is without the parents information given to them via the FAFSA form. and how FAFSA would be allowed any rights to any information of a taxpayer that has NOT signed a legally required release for the IRS to release any information other than some very basic info.

still you argue that there is some magical folder where all family groups are put together so anybody that needs to find the parents of some FAFSA applicant and then you argue further that that information can be disclosed to the FAFSA people.

Unless the parents willingly allow the information to be inserted on the FAFSA form and sign any associated release, the IRS cannot simply go willy nilly checking on tax returns.

I've already explained it several times now. How many more times is sufficient? Are you clinging to the fact that I earlier wrote "The FAFSA people know about dad's tax filing"? Is that all you're arguing about? If so, then you're arguing about inconsequential details that do not change the big picture in the slightest. How about this revision: "The IRS will know about dad's tax filing, and if it conflicts with the OP's tax filing, then the OP's tax filing may be rejected, and the FAFSA people will know about the OP's tax filing."

Does that make you feel better? Hopefully you can now clearly see that the OP's story is quite possible.

 

[justalayman]

How about this revision: "The IRS will know about dad's tax filing, and if it conflicts with the OP's tax filing, then the OP's tax filing may be rejected, and the FAFSA people will know about the OP's tax filing."

you are basing this on a lot of supposition that is unlikely. The CPS will verify the info provided, that is it. They cannot go on a fishing expedition.

and have you noticed the OP has not mentioned anything about his tax returns being rejected? Don't you see that as a bit suspicious especially since the NJStars have already presumably discovered that fact?

Then, since a filing is not "rejected" but audited or the taxpayer is notified of a discrepancy that requires clarification, CPS would still not be aware of the dependent situation. The OP's tax filing, at most, would be flagged as under review until it the questions were answered.

Cameron, for some reason you seem to presume there is a level of efficiency within not only the IRS but the CPS and some presumed ability to freely swap information between the two. I would love to believe our government is that efficient but I know it just isn't true.


and OP still hasn't been back to address the issue. Apparently it wasn't really that important to them, or just maybe they were a troll.

It's been fun Cameron but I'm done with this one.

 

[CameronNewport]

and have you noticed the OP has not mentioned anything about his tax returns being rejected? Don't you see that as a bit suspicious especially since the NJStars have already presumably discovered that fact?

the OP did not go into detail, but he DID ask what to do about his taxes.

Then, since a filing is not "rejected" but audited or the taxpayer is notified of a discrepancy that requires clarification, CPS would still not be aware of the dependent situation. The OP's tax filing, at most, would be flagged as under review until it the questions were answered.

First, tax returns can be rejected. Coincidentally, mine was rejected just a few weeks ago, and it revolved around a dependant's SS#. Second, you're making a lot of assumptions about what did or didn't happen. The biggest problem with your position is that you're ultimately making assumptions and blind guesses about the facts. I'm merely stating that certain facts are possible.

 

[justalayman]

and its possible the world will end tomorrow.

Likely? No, but possible.

Kind of the same thing with the OP's situation.

 

[CameronNewport]

and its possible the world will end tomorrow.

Likely? No, but possible.

Kind of the same thing with the OP's situation.

Not even close.

Have you noticed that almost our entire discussion has been one of you making claims, me rebutting your claims, and you abandoning your original claims in favor of new claims, that I again rebut (thereby starting the process all over again)? Doesn't that strike you as odd? Go back and reread the thread. It's kind of funny.