can i sue my parents for losing my scholarship

[justalayman]

Please humor me.

What are your qualifications again?

If I said it I would get booted.

 

[Proserpina]

If I said it I would get booted.

(not that I'd know anything about such things and I only know this because someone told me....)

You'd be in good company

 

[CameronNewport]

they're from New Jersey Cameron!! What do you think?

and to think nobody scams the system; how naive`.

and you said you were leaving. So now, not only are you a bore, you are a lying bore.

So the OP is a lying troll, people from New Jersey are morons, and STAR scholarship students can scam the system at their leisure. Yeah, that's the only logical explanation.

Wait a minute ... here's a thought ... maybe you just don't understand how this stuff works. Hmmmm ...

Ignorance truly must be bliss.

 

[Humusluvr]

So the OP is a lying troll, people from New Jersey are morons, and STAR scholarship students can scam the system at their leisure. Yeah, that's the only logical explanation.

Wait a minute ... here's a thought ... maybe you just don't understand how this stuff works. Hmmmm ...

Ignorance truly must be bliss.

What's the deal with you guys sniping at each other?

 

[Zigner]

What's the deal with you guys sniping at each other?

It's just Cameron being...well...Cameron

 

[CameronNewport]

What's the deal with you guys sniping at each other?

It's a typical situation on this forum. People respond to a poster with an incorrect and invented answer, and when I disagree and point out why they're wrong, I'm personally attacked. It's really kind of amusing. Nothing says "oh crap, he's right!" more than an insult laden response that ignores the actual issues.

Justalayman does not usually resort to this himself, however. In the past, I've found that he will admit when he's wrong, and he does not generally make personal attacks. His responses in this thread are surprising.

 

[justalayman]

Justalayman does not usually resort to this himself, however. In the past, I've found that he will admit when he's wrong, and he does not generally make personal attacks. His responses in this thread are surprising.

ok Cameron, here is a real simple clue from the OP's post:

i couldn't do anything about them putting me on there taxes the first year cause i was technically under there roof for most of it

father sign i notice saying he wasn't supporting me so that i can go the college an receive financial aid with out them so that i can go the college an receive financial aid with out them and have my nj stars scholarship activate soon after but this year after 2 semesters

Since we know, especially for a college freshman, that is not going to make a difference concerning FAFSA AND even given that statement, dad still claimed OP as a dependent and OP stated that was righteous, what could have changed concerning FAFSA that would have altered eligibility for the NJStars program?

Nothing has changed between when OP was approved for the NJStars program and the time he was rejected. Why would NJStars now all of a sudden terminate the assistance?

 

[CameronNewport]

Nothing has changed between when OP was approved for the NJStars program and the time he was rejected. Why would NJStars now all of a sudden terminate the assistance?

What do you mean nothing's changed? The OP specifically stated that in his first year he was not independent, but in his second year he was independent. That is a significant change.

i moved out of my parents home over a year and a half ago i couldn't do anything about them putting me on there taxes the first year cause i was technically under there roof for most of it

This is year one. The parents supported the OP and claimed him on their tax return. We don't know what happened with regard to his FAFSA or his scholarship, but one possibility is that the OP's parents provided the necessary info, the FAFSA was filed, he applied for financial aid, and he was eligible for the scholarship.

since then they have not supported me in any way i even had the have my father sign i notice saying he wasn't supporting me so that i can go the college an receive financial aid with out them

This is year two. The parents have not supported the OP. His father provided a letter to that effect precisely so the OP could obtain financial aid without their assistance. Again, we don't know what happened with regard to his FAFSA or his scholarship, but one possibility is that the OP completed the FAFSA on his own and it was rejected as incomplete because it lacked his parent's information. The OP argues "but now I'm completely independent, so I don't need my parent's info." He is told "sorry, but your parents claimed you on their taxes, so apparently you are not independent, and their info is still required. You cannot apply for financial aid this year unless you refile a new FAFSA by the deadline with the required information."

 

[justalayman]

Ok Cameron. Make this easy.

How would the NJStars folks get the information about the dependent status on dads tax filing?

 

[CameronNewport]

Ok Cameron. Make this easy.

How would the NJStars folks get the information about the dependent status on dads tax filing?

You clearly don't understand how financial aid works (and I wonder why you keep arguing this stuff).

The NJStars folks may not know what dad claimed on his tax filing, but they do know whether the OP applied for financial aid. The OP can't apply for financial aid if he hasn't properly completed and filed a FAFSA. The FAFSA people know about dad's tax filing.

Maybe you didn't even realize that a FAFSA must be refiled every year. Were you also unaware that a FAFSA without a parent's info is heavily scrutinized, and that proving financial independence is extremely difficult, and must generally be accompanied with corroborative evidence?

 

[justalayman]

The NJStars folks may not know what dad claimed on his tax filing,

OK

The FAFSA people know about dad's tax filing.

Oh, really? And how would that be?

Ok, 2 possible scenarios if the kid filled out FAFSA:

1. OP knew dad filed with kid as dependent. Fine. Limited financial assistance due to that. Fine. NJStars does not care if OP is a dependent or not. They state they will pay what other financial aid will not so there is no problem here.

2. OP filed FAFSA not knowing dad claimed him. Fine. FAFSA has no way of knowing. OP claimed NJStars terminated him because dad filed with OP as defendent. How did FAFSA find out dad filed with OP as dependent. Kid would get rejected because he did not fill out FAFSA as required (with dad' tax info) and is rejected. OP then has to go to school financial aid office for further review if he wanted to claim he was financially independent.

still how did NJStars find out dad claimed OP as dependent?

 

[CameronNewport]

OK

Oh, really? And how would that be?

FAFSA = Free Application for FEDERAL Student Aid

Considering how big of a deal it is to file a FAFSA without a parent's info, do you not think that the Federal government looks into this stuff and crosschecks the student's SS# against something like ... oh I don't know ... IRS filings?

Ok, 2 possible scenarios if the kid filled out FAFSA:

1. OP knew dad filed with kid as dependent. Fine. Limited financial assistance due to that. Fine. NJStars does not care if OP is a dependent or not. They state they will pay what other financial aid will not so there is no problem here.

2. OP filed FAFSA not knowing dad claimed him. Fine. FAFSA has no way of knowing. OP claimed NJStars terminated him because dad filed with OP as defendent. How did FAFSA find out dad filed with OP as dependent. Kid would get rejected because he did not fill out FAFSA as required (with dad' tax info) and is rejected. OP then has to go to school financial aid office for further review if he wanted to claim he was financially independent.

still how did NJStars find out dad claimed OP as dependent?

Neither scenario makes sense.

Again: FAFSA people know who's claiming the OP. Since the parents claimed him, the FAFSA will not be processed because it lacks parents info. With no FAFSA, the OP cannot apply for financial aid. If the OP does not apply for financial aid, then the scholarship goes away.

I just don't understand why that hasn't sunk in yet.

 

[ecmst12]

I don't understand why you people are still arguing.

The scholarship people DO NOT CARE whether a recipient is a dependent or not. So it doesn't matter if they know or not. Receiving the scholarship is not dependent on being independent. All the other arguments are irrelevent. Get over it already.

 

[justalayman]

Considering how big of a deal it is to file a FAFSA without a parent's info, do you not think that the Federal government looks into this stuff and crosschecks the student's SS# against something like ... oh I don't know ... IRS filings?

Are you basing your entire argument on this?



you might want to check the privacy laws the IRS is subject to and then do some more research to see just how little info is shared between various government agencies.

additionally, you somehow conclude that FAFSA people will search the IRS filings to find where OP's SS# comes up in all of the million of tax filings and then somehow have the legal right to review the return of a person that has not signed any release that would allow them to review the records to see if that person did in fact claim the OP as a dependent.

wow, you give them a lot of credit for hard work I do not believe they are due and a lot of legal power I do not believe they have.


and of course, you never considered the fact that dad might not have even filed by the time the FAFSA was required to be submitted but hey, let's just make wild ass assumptions of how efficient our government is. Of course, they wait until after Apr 15 to investigate any of the FAFSA submissions just so they can correlate SS #'s.

Oh hell, nevermind. They probably cross check SS#'s upon submission and the recheck the after Apr 15 just to be sure they didn't miss anybody.

in fact, here is a snippet from an article about the new link on the FAFSA site that allows the applicant to leave the FAFSA site and go to the IRS site:

IRS had previously resisted filling out the form with an applicant's income and household information because the agency did not want to risk transferring private data to an outside Web site, according to Obama administration officials and financial aid advocates. IRS officials did not respond to requests for comment.

"For far too long IRS would not cooperate with Education," said Vivek Kundra, the federal chief information officer. But now "technologists at both organizations are collaborating to share data with individuals."

sure sounds like there is no such coordination and the information has intentionally not been available to the FAFSA people.

Again: FAFSA people know who's claiming the OP.

Not unless you include it.

Since the parents claimed him, the FAFSA will not be processed because it lacks parents info. With no FAFSA, the OP cannot apply for financial aid. If the OP does not apply for financial aid, then the scholarship goes away.

you jumped about 12 steps to get here Cameron. OP claims he was TOLD since dad included him as a dependent, his NJStars scholarship was cancelled. He did not say anything about FAFSA, which would still not link OP to dads tax filing.

I just don't understand why that hasn't sunk in yet.

because you are skipping the 24 steps to get from a to z and ignoring the fact that you have to have a direct link from those two points, which you simply cannot establish.

 

[justalayman]

I don't understand why you people are still arguing.

The scholarship people DO NOT CARE whether a recipient is a dependent or not. So it doesn't matter if they know or not. Receiving the scholarship is not dependent on being independent. All the other arguments are irrelevent. Get over it already.

because that is what I do.


I don't think Cameron will believe you either.

and to think, all I was trying to do was convince Cameron the poster was most likely a troll with nothing better to do that night.