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daddenied

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What is the name of your state? CA

My last thread was locked but I did want to post this because I am livid with my son's coach, assistant athletic director (AAD), and of course my ex. My oldest son's football team came into my town to play last Friday. If you read my last post, you saw the 2 emails sent to me by my ex-wife and one of them saying I cannot see him outside of therapy. Well, although Miss Met advised me on a possible reply, I've been so busy and did not have the time to reply to my ex. I got off early and went to watch the game. My parents were there and after the game, I went down to the field to see my son. I went up to him and said hello and he said hi back. I thought he may have felt apprehensive, but we hugged and he sat and started eating and talking to me. In fact, he started talking. This is the same boy my ex told in front of me for him to tell me he did not want me as his father. :( We were having a nice time, a first in a very long time, when his head coach called him away from me. (By the way, my son sits on the bench, never plays ever and when I observed a practice a few weeks back, he stood on the sidelines with other players who did not participate in any drills or actual practices) My point, the coach doesn't even care that my son exists since he is not a star player and he calls him away from me and sends over the ADD. The ADD comes to me and tells me I am not allowed to see or speak to my son and that I must leave. I tell him I am his father and SHARE joint legal and physicak custody of him. He still stands firm. I feel myself getting angry and I ask if he has any legal documentation stating I have a restraining order and he says no. My mother comes over and starts to cry because of the ordeal and I decide to leave after arguing with the ADD, because I tell him I am on his ER card, his record as father and they are violating my rights. I know that if I stayed any longer, I would probably have done something I would be regretting today.

I was LIVID! On my way home, I called my girlfriend upset about the entire ordeal. My ex-wife had called the coach and this is what transpired from her contact. I didn't know if I was more mad at her or them. I want to write the school principal, the AThletic Director, the school district's superintendent and father's rights groups as well as the local newspaper to report this but feel out of control angry about this. The first time I have a nice moment with one of my children it is shot to hell by these people. PLEASE help me understand what I can do at this point and time. At first I thought it was about me, but than I think about all the other NCPs out there who have gone through this or will go through this. What can I do? Anything? I feel like suing them, and NO not for money, but so that schools and organizations and CPs can know they cannot get away with this.
 


Some Random Guy

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Call the school and make an appointment to see the principal. Bring a copy of the custody agreement. If the principal does not agree to cease interfering in your relationship with your child, then feel free to file a lawsuit.

However, you should also understand that despite your son never playing in the game, you should respect the coach's desires to have his players focused on the game instead of talking to persons in the crowd.
 

daddenied

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Some Random Guy said:
Call the school and make an appointment to see the principal. Bring a copy of the custody agreement. If the principal does not agree to cease interfering in your relationship with your child, then feel free to file a lawsuit.

However, you should also understand that despite your son never playing in the game, you should respect the coach's desires to have his players focused on the game instead of talking to persons in the crowd.

Thank you. The principal and the athletic director have already received copies of the court order by myself altough my ex was ordered to furnish it she did not. We took care of it ASAP after the hearing. I had already dropped in on a football practice and met my son's coach. He hadn't been too friendly, but we had met and I was able to see and speak to my son that day too.

I did want to tell you that the game was over. I probably didn't make that clear. I did not approach the field until it was completely over as I have much respect for coaches...I used to be one at the high school level and college level. :D
 

rmet4nzkx

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daddenied said:
What is the name of your state? CA

My last thread was locked but I did want to post this because I am livid with my son's coach, assistant athletic director (AAD), and of course my ex. My oldest son's football team came into my town to play last Friday. If you read my last post, you saw the 2 emails sent to me by my ex-wife and one of them saying I cannot see him outside of therapy. Well, although Miss Met advised me on a possible reply, I've been so busy and did not have the time to reply to my ex. I got off early and went to watch the game. My parents were there and after the game, I went down to the field to see my son. I went up to him and said hello and he said hi back. I thought he may have felt apprehensive, but we hugged and he sat and started eating and talking to me. In fact, he started talking. This is the same boy my ex told in front of me for him to tell me he did not want me as his father. :( We were having a nice time, a first in a very long time, when his head coach called him away from me. (By the way, my son sits on the bench, never plays ever and when I observed a practice a few weeks back, he stood on the sidelines with other players who did not participate in any drills or actual practices) My point, the coach doesn't even care that my son exists since he is not a star player and he calls him away from me and sends over the ADD. The ADD comes to me and tells me I am not allowed to see or speak to my son and that I must leave. I tell him I am his father and SHARE joint legal and physicak custody of him. He still stands firm. I feel myself getting angry and I ask if he has any legal documentation stating I have a restraining order and he says no. My mother comes over and starts to cry because of the ordeal and I decide to leave after arguing with the ADD, because I tell him I am on his ER card, his record as father and they are violating my rights. I know that if I stayed any longer, I would probably have done something I would be regretting today.

I was LIVID! On my way home, I called my girlfriend upset about the entire ordeal. My ex-wife had called the coach and this is what transpired from her contact. I didn't know if I was more mad at her or them. I want to write the school principal, the AThletic Director, the school district's superintendent and father's rights groups as well as the local newspaper to report this but feel out of control angry about this. The first time I have a nice moment with one of my children it is shot to hell by these people. PLEASE help me understand what I can do at this point and time. At first I thought it was about me, but than I think about all the other NCPs out there who have gone through this or will go through this. What can I do? Anything? I feel like suing them, and NO not for money, but so that schools and organizations and CPs can know they cannot get away with this.
Was this iterference specifically with you as a parent or was it interfering with the game and other activities where your son, whether he played or not, was required to stay with his teammates?

It sounds as if you had a good visit considering he started the conversation, that is a positive point. Were you able to talk about what happened in therapy?

Write a letter to the school district offices as you have already informed the school admin of your custodial status, and ask for your rights to be recognized. Try not to get emotional.

I received your PM, hang in there and try to separate your pain and disappointment from your other interactions, apologise and enjoy the birthday present, it will do you good to have some respite.
 

daddenied

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rmet4nzkx said:
Was this iterference specifically with you as a parent or was it interfering with the game and other activities where your son, whether he played or not, was required to stay with his teammates?


All player's parents and friends who were present were on the field talking to them. My son was sitting on the bench and eating and chatting with me when he was called away. The game was over before I even went to the field. As a former high school and college ball player and coach I wouldn't have interfered at all.

It sounds as if you had a good visit considering he started the conversation, that is a positive point. Were you able to talk about what happened in therapy?

We didn't talk about therapy at all. I worry about bringing it up away from there especially at a game. He just small talked about school and football, etc...

Write a letter to the school district offices as you have already informed the school admin of your custodial status, and ask for your rights to be recognized. Try not to get emotional.

Okay, that is what I will do.

I received your PM, hang in there and try to separate your pain and disappointment from your other interactions, apologise and enjoy the birthday present, it will do you good to have some respite.
Thank you.
 

karma1

Senior Member
Coach and ADD were way out of line...

but do they also hold positions as teachers?
Write down everything that happened and send a letter to the Superintendent (I'd bypass the principal and go higher up) stating that this behavior is NOT accetable from one of their employees. I'd mention that unless that employee has a court order in hand stating that you cannot see your child at these events, then the intererence from that employee should be grounds for dismissal.
(you do not have to get into anything the ex might have told them in regards to all of this)
I teach and do after school activities and unless there is a court order prohibiting parental contact, we cannot deny that contact unless it is at an inappropriate time (I do not feel, like the first responder
that eating with or talking to your child during extra curricular activities is inappropriate--its just a game for goodness sakes...)
If I made a judgement call or interferred with a parent and child like these folks did, as a teacher, I'd be fired. The proper thing, if these folks thought that you could not be in contact with this child, would be to call the police. And the police would ask the same thing..."is there a no-contact order?"..
You get the picture.

Did your child hear all this between the adults?

*edit--I see others responded with some same ideas while I was typing*
 

dallas702

Senior Member
You have a legal right to share these events with your son. If you have to go back to court to clarify it, do it.

As a former coach I can tell you that the game was never over for my teams until the team was showered and out the gym door. Even after the game there is a lot going on that coaches mey be discussing with players. Enjoy being there, but wait until he's officially released before talking to him...especially in your delicate situation (until the judge clarifies your rights).

Any "mother" who would try to keep dad from seeing her son's extracurricular activities, or discussing them with him afterward, should have her custody stripped.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
Some Random Guy said:
Call the school and make an appointment to see the principal. Bring a copy of the custody agreement. If the principal does not agree to cease interfering in your relationship with your child, then feel free to file a lawsuit.

However, you should also understand that despite your son never playing in the game, you should respect the coach's desires to have his players focused on the game instead of talking to persons in the crowd.
Screw that. First chance you get, go to the school district office and file an official complaint for interference with parental authority, interference with a valid court order and harrassment. Make it not only against the coach, but also against the principle, the AAD and the school board.

Then attend the next school board meeting and follow through. Let them know that if something isn't done to insure the school stop interferring with your parental rights, that you will file suit against all parties in civil court.
 

casa

Senior Member
BelizeBreeze said:
Screw that. First chance you get, go to the school district office and file an official complaint for interference with parental authority, interference with a valid court order and harrassment. Make it not only against the coach, but also against the principle, the AAD and the school board.

Then attend the next school board meeting and follow through. Let them know that if something isn't done to insure the school stop interferring with your parental rights, that you will file suit against all parties in civil court.
I think the issue which is confusing the AAD and school is that mother has successfully denied visitation for a length of time, pursuaded a therapist the children are afraid of the father~ and succeeded in obtaining a court order which dictates father is to have supervised visitation with the children at X times at a center designated by court order.

I believe the Mother's attorney would use this to fight any contempt proceedings.

What is your opinion on that BB? I'd like to know- and I'd like it clarified for the Dad...he's been through hell and back already just trying to see his children! I can't find any point of reference for this particular situation.
 

CJane

Senior Member
casa said:
court order which dictates father is to have supervised visitation with the children at X times at a center designated by court order.
I'm curious about this as well. If mom presented that court order to the school, and it says that visistation is to be supervised by a therapist at X location, then I would think that the school is required to act on that information - even if it's deliberately incomplete/inaccurate. No?
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
And this is why schools hate to be put in the middle. SURPRISE! They are in a no-win position. Suppose this WAS a situation where Dad was not to have any further contact and the school ignored it - and something dire happened? The school would have their a$$ in a sling.
 

casa

Senior Member
CJane said:
I'm curious about this as well. If mom presented that court order to the school, and it says that visistation is to be supervised by a therapist at X location, then I would think that the school is required to act on that information - even if it's deliberately incomplete/inaccurate. No?
That's my assumption.
 

BelizeBreeze

Senior Member
Until such time as the exact contents of the visitation agreement/order are stipulated here, I won't comment on it except to say that the school is NOT a party to the order and does not have enforcement rights except to call the police if the order is being violated on school grounds.

And even if the father is only to have supervised visitation according to the order, a sitdown to say hello at the child's football game is NOT visitation.

So, unless the school or the mother can show an order of protection stipulating that the father is not to attend or contact the child, that too fails.
 

daddenied

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Thank you...another message from ex

I've read all of your replies and I appreciate it. My ex actually never furnished the school with anything. She was ordered to and I ended up doing it myself since I can't trust this lady. I already went through everything with the principals, athletic directors and all coaches for the 3 schools my sons attend and per the court order they were to put me down on all emergency contact for my sons' records and that I was to be named as father, NCP who shared joint physical and legal custody of them. The order goes on to state that technical visitation is to be done on Saturdays in therapy, and I now have a mediation date as of yesterday for Nov. 17th. That is when the therapist we are seeing gives his recommendation to the mediator and the judge on July 1st said it will be the new visitation order. (My hopes are that I get every other weekend and share all of their holidays which is not too different from our original decree she violated in the first place). The order does say that I should have an active role in my sons activities in school, athletics and anything else, and that the only thing that was temporary was actual visitation. I've gone to a few other games and watched another son play, as well as spent time talking to him after the games with a coaching staff within a few feet, giving me space and privacy with my son. All other school officials, teachers and principals and coaches have been in constant contact with me since my ex only tells me what she chooses to when she chooses to. So, I have not sent my letter yet, but I want to do it tonight after work, through email as well as USPS. I was just hoping someone could tell me what the most effective route would be.

By the way, I got another lovely email from my ex saying:

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Per the attached email that I originally sent October 5, 2005, you were advised that the boys were not comfortable in the presence of (therapists name). The boys felt they were being manipulated, their concerns summarily dismissed and your inappropriate behaviors condoned. If you wish to repair your relationship with the boys, you will seek and procure an alternate therapist for your therapeutic, supervised visitations. Once again, the boys are requesting that you find a female therapist.

If you refuse to acknowledge the boys’ discomfort and their desire for you to find a new therapeutic setting voluntarily, I will take whatever legal steps deemed necessary.

In addition, as you were previously informed, there is an basketball tournament scheduled this weekend at Nae of High School. Schedules for the boys’ games will be available sometime after Thursday evening.

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I replied to tell her to have our oldest son who is scheduled to see therapist alone this sat. before I see him at the counseling agency or she will be in violation and a police report will be filed. All of these words are her own words as she has always insisted that all authority figures be female...just like her. I also found it interesting to remind her that the coaches already wrote me today and told me that only my youngest son is playing a game in the morning, the oldest has no games, and the other 2 are not playing either. Nothing ceases to amaze me...her great lengths at keeping me from them just saddens me.
 
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