Coach and school violating my rights...

[dallas702]

Yes, the therapist's report should be quite interesting. Just hope the judge is listening.

 

[daddenied]

Then she will be in contempt of court and without excuse, she may still bring the child to therapy, who knows, but you are ready if it doesn't happen. Has the original therapist sent #1 sons chart to Mr. Therapist?

Hi Miss Met. It's Daddenieds girlfriend again. No, the original therapist has not sent my oldest child's records over to the new therapist. In reply to his request (the letter Casa suggested he send from SPARC) the original therapist simply sent a printout of billing, showing all the dates she saw his child and what it cost and what was paid for it. We found it real interesting, because the rates charged although his child was fully covered for mental health counseling had not been billed to an insurance company. We think it was an attempt to hide the entire ordeal. We also found some of the dates of visits were not accurate as his child on 2 particular dates was here in L.A. County visiting with him. Hmmm...Strange huh? We don't want to be paranoid, but wondered if there was any changes made to original records, IF he did in fact see this therapist the entire time. We found it strange that the first 2 visits with the original therapist was done BEFORE Daddenied ever initially visited with his children. The time frame is something like: His ex left with the children on a Monday-let's say the 24th (made up dates) and the first visit with the therapist was a week later, then another week later a second visit. Then, Daddenied went out to Fresno to visit them in their own home. The letter this therapist wrote to the courts on behalf of the ex states the oldest child was in therapy due to distress over divorce AND expressing discomfort and high anxiety in his visitation with father. This child had lived with his father up to a week prior to the supposed first visit with the therapist. Another interesting fact is that we checked with Daddenied mental health coverage department and was told that someone inquired for an authorization # to have his oldest child treated by a therapist in Apr. 2003, but never followed through after they were told that he was fully covered, with no deductible for 22 sessions a year as long as it was with a covered provider. The original therapist, Daddenied thinks is an actual friend of is ex's. She charged her $60 a session for a few months than after that $30 a session only for the rest of the time. When asked what her regular rate is without insurance, it is $100-$125 an hour. I don't know what to think, but he is paranoid about the entire thing. Should he ask his therapist to request the records again or what is the next step for him regarding this issue. I have not heard from him, so hope no news is good news and his ex presented their oldest child this morning at 11am. Daddenied was seeing him at 12pm-it was a double session.

Anyway, by the way, Daddenieds boss renegged and said he can no longer have the time off for his birthday trip (something came up), so I will be going away alone. We'll have to raincheck it. Did he tell you that the mediation is set for Nov. 17th? He's a little worried, but I told him all we can do is all we can do and as long as we are doing what is right, it will all work out somehow...one day. Thanks!

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Very interesting that insurance was contacted re paying for a therapist and then didn't present the child for therapy. It is possible that the therapist wasn't on the MH pannel DD may want to find out if Ms. Therapist was an approved provider in 2003. Does insurance know who the therapist was or who made the inquiry? Ms. Therapist request for authorization may also be fraudulant, DD should get the DSM-IV-TR codes. Perhaps the insurance co will audit Ms. Therapist.

It is possible that Ex didn't want DD to know child was in therapy and thought they might contact him for approval.

Differences in cost may be due to sliding scale, DD may want to compare the rates charged to insurance and when those sessions were.

Were the sessions charged for when #1 child was in LA paid for by insurance? If so, that could be insurance fraud.

It is possible, ex didn't cancel appointment not expecting that DA would interviene and was charged anyway. Another way to see whether or not ex actually presented child for therapy would be her income tax records filed with the courts.

DD should ask Mr. therapist to again request clinical records for #1 son, there should be no problem sending them to another therapist especially a court ordered therapist, he may have to subponea the clinical records

Nothing to get parinoid over there are reasons any of these things may have happened, it will rake a while to figure out what is what, then he can file his complaint against Ms. Therapist with the BBS and she will have to comply with their request! The reason given in her report is a report based on therapy to date when the report was written, not just the presenting problem so the fact that DD had not visited prior to the first sessions isn't relevant, however,I am concerned that she has not forwarded the records. It is very possible that she kept no records of the sessions this is not uncommon for adjustment disorders and only billing records are required. If there are claims of #1son being suicidal is problematic compounded by Ms. Therapist delays and reluctance to comply with lawful requests for records, it speaks to incompetence and gross diversion to the standard of care.

Sorry that DD's boss won't allow time off it may not be the best of time right now anyway, try to have a Hawaiian holiday at home. Yes I understand there is a mediation date, some of this can be raised in mediation but he will have to prioritize what is important, will Mr. Therapist has new report ready by then, looks like it will be some time before there will be joint therpay but that in the Ex fault for alienating the boys.

DD has felt very bad because he is so hurt and so frustrated, I said you understand. Everyone here is rooting for him

Let us know when you hear something.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Surly there is news by now?

 

[daddenied]

Surly there is news by now?

Hi Miss Met. It's Daddenied. I got to Fresno and my ex didn't present our son and did not even call Mr. Therapist. I was charged a cancellation fee for his appointment I plan on asking the courts to order her to pay back. I want to ask that she be responsible to pay for all the sessions to date, but feel like they will say no. I drove back home because the Fresno PD said that the filed court order from July 1st was not a copy that was stamped with the purple court date stamp. I was pretty frustrated. I have a blank report that I will fill out, but I cannot do it through the mail and the earliest I can go back is next weekend for another session. I believe she will not show up again so I figure I can file both police reports next week when I get there. What do you think? Mr. Therapist seemed shocked that my ex did not show up...It seems people can't believe her actions unless they experience it themselves. I believe she has just lost her mind OUTRIGHT defying the order.

By the way, how long should I wait for a reply from the Superintendent of my son's school district. I emailed and sent hard copies out last week.

Thanks!

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Hi Miss Met. It's Daddenied. I got to Fresno and my ex didn't present our son and did not even call Mr. Therapist. I was charged a cancellation fee for his appointment I plan on asking the courts to order her to pay back. I want to ask that she be responsible to pay for all the sessions to date, but feel like they will say no. I drove back home because the Fresno PD said that the filed court order from July 1st was not a copy that was stamped with the purple court date stamp. I was pretty frustrated. I have a blank report that I will fill out, but I cannot do it through the mail and the earliest I can go back is next weekend for another session. I believe she will not show up again so I figure I can file both police reports next week when I get there. What do you think? Mr. Therapist seemed shocked that my ex did not show up...It seems people can't believe her actions unless they experience it themselves. I believe she has just lost her mind OUTRIGHT defying the order.

By the way, how long should I wait for a reply from the Superintendent of my son's school district. I emailed and sent hard copies out last week.

Thanks!

OY!
You didn't have a certified copy of the order after all this time? Make copies and fill out the report First thing Monday report to the DA office again, remind them of their prior assistance and mom's current violation of the most recent court order and the problem with the police not taking your report. Tell them you are concerned for the safety of the children as mom is acting irratic and unstable, has made claims of child being suicidal and nothing in record indicates that and when mom is about to be found out by presenting same child for court ordered therapy/visitation mom refeuses to present child but had presented other children previously and it is mom's request for therapy/visitation. Mom, failed to call to cancel visitation/therapy with therapist, child/children are effectively missing. Report your children missing to police department in LB Today and give them copies of report to Fresno police and certified copies of the rorder, perhaps their agency can interface with Fresno, get both report numbers. Get her back into court file an Order to Show Cause Re: Contempt of Court for Visitation Interference no matter what FLF office says, also have the subponea issued for #1 son's clinical therapy record which Ms. Therapist as refused. Also see if Fresno will do a Welfare check if they won't cooporate with LB PD.

Don't be dissappointed if court doesn't order mom to be required to pay for therapy to date, you can ask but don't expect it until later if at all.

However you can ask for court to order EC 730 evaluation specifically at Mom's expense since she is exhibiting signs of mental instability and possibly factious disorder by proxy. (making false claims of child's suicidal ideation and inducing PTSD and other psychological complaints in previously well adjusted children) Ask that the court order the examination from independent evaluator psychiatrist, not Psychologist/LCSW or MFT because of her history of manipulation of therapist of her chosing and she may be a threat to self and others.

Even though, she did not present your son for appointment Sat. Mr. Therapist can still make his report which will include mom's continued actions of interference, even when court ordered and upon her own request.

I hope you have a chance to discuss much of your frustrations in your session and that Mr. Therapist has encouraged you.

Were you able to catch any of the other children's games?

Give School Supv 1 week to respond then follow up with a call.

 

[daddenied]

OY!
You didn't have a certified copy of the order after all this time?

I actually did. I got 3 copies of certified orders and sent one immediately upon receiving it on July 22nd, with the purple stamp to the Fresno Sheriff's office. I also walked it into a Fresno Police Station, but they simply look at it and require the purple stamp, then take a copy and compare it to the one filed with the Sheriff's office and give me the copy back. I didn't expect this to happen at all.

Make copies and fill out the report First thing Monday report to the DA office again, remind them of their prior assistance and mom's current violation of the most recent court order and the problem with the police not taking your report. Tell them you are concerned for the safety of the children as mom is acting irratic and unstable, has made claims of child being suicidal and nothing in record indicates that and when mom is about to be found out by presenting same child for court ordered therapy/visitation mom refeuses to present child but had presented other children previously and it is mom's request for therapy/visitation. Mom, failed to call to cancel visitation/therapy with therapist, child/children are effectively missing. Report your children missing to police department in LB Today and give them copies of report to Fresno police and certified copies of the rorder, perhaps their agency can interface with Fresno, get both report numbers.

I have been swamped and have a meeting at 4p, so won't be able to do any of this until at least tomorrow. IF I have time I will definitely call the DA's office tomorrow morning, but I have class tonight and tomorrow, both have tests so I cannot miss them. Will LBPD take my missing children's report? I only ask, because the last time I tried to do this WITH an attorney, I was told they really weren't missing and to take it up with Family Court or Fresno PD.

Get her back into court file an Order to Show Cause Re: Contempt of Court for Visitation Interference no matter what FLF office says, also have the subponea issued for #1 son's clinical therapy record which Ms. Therapist as refused. Also see if Fresno will do a Welfare check if they won't cooporate with LB PD.

My girlfriend said she may have time to get the papers filled out for this contempt tonight or tomorrow, but she flies out tomorrow at 3pm. Whatever the case, I am going to get help from that paralegal in Fresno who is still willing to help me so we can get this filed. I will be in Fresno again on Sat. for therapy and if need be, I will get paperwork dropped off then if not sonner. How do I do a Welfare check? I will get help to subpoena the first therapist's records too. Mr. Therapist said he will request them one more time.

Don't be dissappointed if court doesn't order mom to be required to pay for therapy to date, you can ask but don't expect it until later if at all.

Okay. I think I was just so upset. I really don't expect to ever get any reimbursment for anything, no matter how unfair it seems.

However you can ask for court to order EC 730 evaluation specifically at Mom's expense since she is exhibiting signs of mental instability and possibly factious disorder by proxy. (making false claims of child's suicidal ideation and inducing PTSD and other psychological complaints in previously well adjusted children) Ask that the court order the examination from independent evaluator psychiatrist, not Psychologist/LCSW or MFT because of her history of manipulation of therapist of her chosing and she may be a threat to self and others.

Shall I ask for this in the contemp paperwork I will file this week?

Even though, she did not present your son for appointment Sat. Mr. Therapist can still make his report which will include mom's continued actions of interference, even when court ordered and upon her own request.

He said he will do that, but I am still worried because I am certain she will not show up to this Sat, Oct. 29th, Nov. 5th and Nov. 12th (which are all scheduled double sessions for me and the boys) and at mediation, the same mediator I felt she manipulated (who sat with us and was almost in tears as she listened to me ex lie) I feel as if the mediator will say "Oh well, since you haven't had enough sessions, and since mom is saying they relate better to females, the order is another 12 or 24 week ordered therapy session in Fresno. I can't do this any more! I cannot take losing every time I follow instructions and directions from people who are helping me to fight for my children. I am fearful that my ex will file some crazy declaration or motion this week (since part of me thinks she might be just a little worried that she outright violated the court order not bringing our son on Sat.)...I fear she will somehow delay our therapy another 6-8 weeks when another court date can be given. She can't do that can she? I mean, my girlfriend said even if she files a motion for another therapist, the current order must be followed until a new order is given. Is she right?

I hope you have a chance to discuss much of your frustrations in your session and that Mr. Therapist has encouraged you.

I have. He has been encouraging, but even he was shocked that my ex did not bring our son.

Were you able to catch any of the other children's games?

No. There were no games, except at 10 and 11 by our youngest son, but since the sessions were at 11 and 12 I did not want to risk being late for them and missed this son's games. My ex emailed me that crap saying the boys games were at 9, 10, 11, 12, 1 and 2 so that is why they could not come. She lied as I already had contacted each of their coaches. Besides, the oldest one plays no Sat. sports and he was the only one scheduled with me.

Give School Supv 1 week to respond then follow up with a call.

Now for what blew my mind today. The Superintendent did NOT reply to me. The principal of the high school who I CCd sent me this reply today:

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Hello, Daddenied. Your email concerning the situation in Corona, CA, on Friday, Oct 7, was received late Thursday, Oct. 13, 2005. We are investigating your concerns. Currently, we do have a Court Order on
file at school, dated July 1, 2005. It allows for joint parental custody with restricted visitation for the father “in a therapeutic setting in Fresno County with a licensed mental health clinician, or an agency such as
the Center for Collaborative and Relational Therapies or Comprehensive Youth Services.” Also, it goes on to state that special occasions between the father and the children shall be supervised in accordance with that
specification. Although dated July 1, 2005, it was not part of our records until August of this year, when we received it as we reopened the school for the fall semester. Therefore, there may have been differences with student contact allowed in summer travel, practices, and tourneys compared to what we are now compelled to follow. We do know that you are on the student’s emergency card and are allowed information from the school regarding your son. If you have any other documentation of which we should be aware, please send that to us. Our fax is (559) 327-2490. As part
of our investigative process, our attorneys will review the order we have on file. Once the investigation is complete, we will send you a final response to your concerns. Thank you.
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The special occasions she speaks of are holiday periods-it says this in the order. I also am upset, because it seems that the order is subject to how one interprets it. My watching a sporting event and going down to say hello to my children are not considered visitation according to my last attorney. Although he ended up being a loser, I'd like to think he told me the truth. Please tell me I am right. If not, I don't know what to do. My ex isn't going to present the kids and now I can't even watch a game at a public place. This is crap! I know all of you don't want to hear my negative attitude, but I don't have the time or money for this, My girlfriend said we may be forced to get an attorney after all, yet we don't have the money and now she is saying that we just have to use the little to no money that we have and put everything else on the backburner.

This post is going to be too long, but I also wanted to post a reply from the Superintendent to the PRincipal, not me, but he CCd his reply to her to me. I wasn't real happy with his reply,especially where he tells the principal she has better or more important things to do.

-continued-

 

[daddenied]

Superintendents reply to Principal...-continued-

Here is what the Superintendent wrote:
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Thanks for responding to Daddenied. There is no need for you to follow-up with our legal counsel on the court order. Our legal counsel can take care of this
with our attorney who has an attorney in our office every Tuesday afternoon so if you can get the information to our legal counsel, he can meet with L/S tomorrow and get a quick response for you. You have more important
thingsto do than mess with this stuff.

Legal Counsel's name:

Please give Princials name some help on this. Thanks.

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I can't fight the school district, especially if I am unsure I can really even go to see my children's games. Please help. If any of you know any attorney in the Fresno area who can help me, please let me know through private email and I can give you my contact information. I just got a membership with Prepaid Legal and may ask them for referral help.

 

[dallas702]

The Superintendent thinks the Principal has "...better things to do than mess with this stuff..."? I'd not only save that statement for the court, I'd take it directly to a local TV station that has a consumer or civil rights advocacy. They love juicy stuff like a public official who doesn't think the highly paid school Principal needs to deal with the issues that affect their students. This jerk should be confronted and reprimanded in front of the school board at the next meeting. Apparently, the SB needs to clarify the duties of your Super and the school administration.

Why are all these restrictions being placed on your (very normal, and almost always encouraged) public time at your childrens' events? I can't imagine a judge doing that unless you have started confrontations with coaches or other people at these events.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

OY!
I will be brief and respond later.
Concentrate on your class tonight.
Make the calls you need to tomorrow.
Contact the DA office and still LBPD it is a funny thig with jurisdiction and also cal FPD and speak to supervisor re failure to take timely police report when they already have the certified copies on file and ask to fax the report, it is possible the DA will also do it.
Worry about the School district later.

Is that the wording of the order you filed with them because that is different than what you posted here.

It is important to have the mediation rescheduled with a different mediator even if you have to wait for a later date.

 

[daddenied]

Why are all these restrictions being placed on your (very normal, and almost always encouraged) public time at your childrens' events? I can't imagine a judge doing that unless you have started confrontations with coaches or other people at these events.

There are NO restrictions. I had not seen my children in almost 8 months when we went to court due to my ex violating the custody order, not having them at TA Center for exchange, I filed reports per an attorney, the police officers and the courts state that they do not want to arrest a CP mother especially and by the time we mediated, the mediator felt that I needed to visit with my 4 sons who I had been a constant part of their life up until my ex started keeping them away from me, in a therapeutic supervised visitation environment. It was my ex's request and now she is refusing to deliver the kids for therapy. No where in the order does it restrict me from going to their games and being an active part of their life. We still share joint legal and physical, yet it was ordered that actual visitation, my having them under my physical custody would be delayed until 12 sessions of therapy visits took place to help repair our damaged relationship, I believe from the alienation. NEVER have I had a confrontation with coaches and teachers. Until the weekend of the 7th, my relationship with all teachers and coaches have been without incident.

 

[daddenied]

Is that the wording of the order you filed with them because that is different than what you posted here.

It is important to have the mediation rescheduled with a different mediator even if you have to wait for a later date.

Hi Miss Met. It's Daddenied's girlfriend now. I am home getting ready for my trip to HAwaii this afternoon and he asked me to check his posts. I saw this and wasn't sure what you were referring to about the "wording of the order filed with them...". Can you clarify? I have a couple of hours free this morning and will check again once I have some down time tomorrow or the next day while at home (HAwaii).

In regards to a different mediator, please tell me how we can request one for him. Sorry if you've already told him...I just don't have the time to leaf through all posts. If you don't have time, I'll check with the FLF office this week. Thanks!

 

[Zephyr]

too bad daddenied can't hire IAAL for all of this, I have no doubt he would make mincemeat out of this vindictive ex-wife.

 

[CJane]

I saw this and wasn't sure what you were referring to about the "wording of the order filed with them...". Can you clarify?

Not to answer for someone else, but I'm guessing that she means that the wording that the Principal (superintendent?) of the school quotes when speaking of the order is not the same as the wording that DD has used when quoting the same order. That's what caught my eye when I read the communications, anyway.

 

[bononos]

How embarassing this all must be for this kid.