Dispute over 4th July holiday

[LdiJ]

Uuuuh... I don't know where you got those days from, LDi...

http://www.apples4theteacher.com/holidays/fourth-of-july/when-is-the-4th-of-july.html:

I got them from a site that had you click on a year to see the calendar for that year, but it only went to 2014.

Either the site I went to was wrong, or the site you went to was wrong.

 

[mistoffolees]

I take your point on when the holiday ends. We'll have to get that corrected as the intent was never to cut short the holiday on one parent, but rather to prolong it to a whole weekend for the posessing parent's benefit.

Misty, here's the exact vacation option wording:
"Each parent has option to take 3 week vacation with child; with 30 days written notice, not to impact above holiday schedule unless agreed in writing. overseas travel permitted."

Accepting the holiday period ends Monday at 5:00 pm, am I understanding you to mean that I'm okay to start my vacation immediately afterward because it then "does not impact the holiday schedule."?

That would be my interpretation as well. You can start your vacation the second that the Holiday ends and it does not impact the holiday schedule.

Any suggestions for better wording on the 4th to prevent this kind of hiccup going forward?

I would stop talking about the 4th of July. Rather, use 'Independence Day Weekend" as the holiday name. Independence Day is always on a Monday, so Independence Day weekend will always be Friday evening to Monday evening (or however your order defines 'weekend'). No need to look at a calendar to see what day the 4th is in any given year.

ETA. I guess I assumed that Independence Day was always celebrated on Monday, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Better use Cjane's wording instead.

 

[stealth2]

I got them from a site that had you click on a year to see the calendar for that year, but it only went to 2014.

Either the site I went to was wrong, or the site you went to was wrong.

I think it was yours. I just scrolled to 7-4-2012 on my phone's calendar, and it falls on a Wednesday. I'm not going to scroll to 2013. But Jane is right - the days move forward, they don't jump around.

 

[CJane]

Independence Weekend:
If the 4th of July falls on a Friday or Monday, the holiday shall become a three day weekend for whichever party that holiday is so designated. If the 4th is on a Friday, the weekend visitation begins Thursday at 6pm and ends Sunday at 6pm. If the 4th is on a Monday, the weekend visitation begins Friday at 6pm and ends Monday at 6pm. (**Please note that this DOES mean that the "holiday" ends at 6pm ON THE 4th**) If the holiday is on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, the visitation shall be from 8am until 10pm on that day.

This has been in effect for going on 8 years, and there has NEVER been a dispute over whose time is whose.

 

[mistoffolees]

I got them from a site that had you click on a year to see the calendar for that year, but it only went to 2014.

Either the site I went to was wrong, or the site you went to was wrong.

Ldij -- sometimes you have to use your head. The calendar has 365 years and change - which means 52 weeks plus one day (and more in leap years). That means that in future years, any given date always move FORWARD by one day (or 2 days in leap years). It can't move backwards (and especially not backward and then forward).

VPCalendar.net - Your guide for learning more about calendars

 

[CJane]

Independence Day is always on a Monday

WHAT?

The Federally recognized holiday isn't even always on a Monday.

 

[stealth2]

I would stop talking about the 4th of July. Rather, use 'Independence Day Weekend" as the holiday name. Independence Day is always on a Monday, so Independence Day weekend will always be Friday evening to Monday evening (or however your order defines 'weekend'). No need to look at a calendar to see what day the 4th is in any given year.

Really? Since when? Independence Day IS the 4th of July. They are synonymous. In the United States, Independence Day is always celebrated on the 4th of July.

Seriously - where did you people go to school?

 

[Zigner]

Folks -

Open up your phone's calendar and scroll back and forth through the Julys. You'll find that the 4th of the month always moves forward one day at a time (except for leap years, as was pointed out.)

 

[CJane]

Folks -

Open up your phone's calendar and scroll back and forth through the Julys. You'll find that the 4th of the month always moves forward one day at a time (except for leap years, as was pointed out.)

Only in the Julys though?

 

[stealth2]

Only in the Julys though?

**snort**

...

 

[LdiJ]

I think it was yours. I just scrolled to 7-4-2012 on my phone's calendar, and it falls on a Wednesday. I'm not going to scroll to 2013. But Jane is right - the days move forward, they don't jump around.

Yeah...it was mine. I just went to my computer's calendar and just scrolled the year up and got the same dates you did.

OP, have you considered drawing up a perpetual calendar for the 4th showing how many times dad might not get his actual 4th of July holiday at all, if you strictly follow the orders? Next year the 4th is on a Wednesday. Whose regular parenting day is normally Wednesday? If its yours, and you go by dad's logic, then he won't get the holiday at all.

 

[DecisionTime]

Yeah...it was mine. I just went to my computer's calendar and just scrolled the year up and got the same dates you did.

OP, have you considered drawing up a perpetual calendar for the 4th showing how many times dad might not get his actual 4th of July holiday at all, if you strictly follow the orders? Next year the 4th is on a Wednesday. Whose regular parenting day is normally Wednesday? If its yours, and you go by dad's logic, then he won't get the holiday at all.

It's a good idea, and I'll do that when I respond to him.

Thanks everyone. I do feel like I'd be within my rights to insist upon the previously communicated vacation plan. However I may concede the time as I can see how it might be unclear to him. I'll think on it overnight.

 

[Just Blue]

Geesh. We are talking about a few hours. Take the child to fireworks in another community that fall on your time. Not a hill to die on. Not a big deal. Not worth the "fight".

 

[CJane]

Geesh. We are talking about a few hours. Take the child to fireworks in another community that fall on your time. Not a hill to die on. Not a big deal. Not worth the "fight".

Except this IS Mom's time. No matter how Dad is looking at it.

 

[Ohiogal]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Mom didn't get a small part of dad's holiday last year, and dad shouldn't expect to get a small part of mom's holiday this year.

I just tried to find a perpetual calendar for the 4th of July and was unable to find one quickly, but I was able to determine that for 2012 (dad's year) the 4th will be on a Sunday, for 2013 (mom's year the 4th will once again be on a Monday...so she will have the same problem the next time around), and for 2014 (dad's year) it will be on a Tuesday.

I don't think that she should give up her holiday.

Boy are you incorrect. July 4, 2012 is on a Wednesday (leap year don't you know). July 4, 2013 is on a Thursday. July 4, 2014 is on a Friday.
What calendar system are YOU using? How did you determine such idiocy as days moving BACKWARDS?