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majomom1

Senior Member
Thanks. The baby is due on 9/2/2008. My attorney has told me that we cannot really do anything until we establish paternity. He is not a family lawyer so I don't know if I have the right guy. I've been married to her since 12/18/2007 but I left after five weeks and filed for an annulment straight away. We did not have joint property or credit cards or bills. I have a condo which i bought way before we were married.
I would agree that you cannot do anything until you establish paternity... You have a little time. Check with some family attorneys - some will do free, or reduced consultations.

And search these boards... you will find some very valuable advice for future use IF you are indeed Dad. If you are, you essentially will be tied to this woman for at least 18 years.

Stand firm and do not take her abuse... Be the best Dad you can be. Don't stoop to her level. She will run out of sail if you don't provide any wind.
 


happybug

Member
" The baby is due on 9/2/2008. My attorney has told me that we cannot really do anything until we establish paternity. He is not a family lawyer so I don't know if I have the right guy. I've been married to her since 12/18/2007 "

You got married because she was pregnant and needed health insurance? I do want to know how she knew she was pregnant with a due date of 09-02 by 12-18? If she is due 09-02, she would not have even missed her period by 12-18. According to the basic Last Menstrual Period calculator. To have a due date of 09-02 her LMP started 11-27. She would not have been due to start a period until the END of December. How the heck did she know she was pregnant and have time to worry about insurance AND plan a wedding by mid December? That is even beyond a " First Response ".
 

Bali Hai

Senior Member
" The baby is due on 9/2/2008. My attorney has told me that we cannot really do anything until we establish paternity. He is not a family lawyer so I don't know if I have the right guy. I've been married to her since 12/18/2007 "

You got married because she was pregnant and needed health insurance? I do want to know how she knew she was pregnant with a due date of 09-02 by 12-18? If she is due 09-02, she would not have even missed her period by 12-18. According to the basic Last Menstrual Period calculator. To have a due date of 09-02 her LMP started 11-27. She would not have been due to start a period until the END of December. How the heck did she know she was pregnant and have time to worry about insurance AND plan a wedding by mid December? That is even beyond a " First Response ".
I don't know why you people are trying to help this jerk other than he sounds taken advantage of by one of your own!!

Advice you give him may help in his present pradicament but the idiot will just do it again!!
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
When is the baby due? Unfortunately I believe you are on the hook until the baby is born. I would strongly advise you to get a paternity test to be sure that you are the father.
What has your attorney told you so far? Sit down and ask them to be straight with you. There really is no sense in spending money NOW... If I were you I would ask about a legal separation (if IL has this option) so you have a "date" to work from that she is responsible for her own living expenses etc... Close any and all joint bank accounts and credit cards. What do you have in property?

I don't believe your marriage is long enough for her to qualify for maintenance of any kind and you don't have to give her any money until the court orders it. Take care of any joint bills to keep your credit etc... Pay the creditors direct, NOT HER. Don't take her abuse. It sounds like she will show HER arse in court... Judges do not like those who are "unreasonable" or think they can clean someone's clock...

He may have problems getting a paternity test due to the marriage.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Thanks. The baby is due on 9/2/2008. My attorney has told me that we cannot really do anything until we establish paternity. He is not a family lawyer so I don't know if I have the right guy. I've been married to her since 12/18/2007 but I left after five weeks and filed for an annulment straight away. We did not have joint property or credit cards or bills. I have a condo which i bought way before we were married.
Until you establish paternity? Quite frankly you have already established paternity. You are married and will be married when the baby is born. Voila -- you are daddy. You need a family lawyer. You need someone who at least understands paternity. And annulment is extremely difficult. You may have been better off going for a divorce.
 

Screwed99

Member
" The baby is due on 9/2/2008. My attorney has told me that we cannot really do anything until we establish paternity. He is not a family lawyer so I don't know if I have the right guy. I've been married to her since 12/18/2007 "

You got married because she was pregnant and needed health insurance? I do want to know how she knew she was pregnant with a due date of 09-02 by 12-18? If she is due 09-02, she would not have even missed her period by 12-18. According to the basic Last Menstrual Period calculator. To have a due date of 09-02 her LMP started 11-27. She would not have been due to start a period until the END of December. How the heck did she know she was pregnant and have time to worry about insurance AND plan a wedding by mid December? That is even beyond a " First Response ".
Thanks. She was pregnant with twins when we married. Then we found out on in January that she had miscarried but was pregnant again. There was no planned wedding as we got married in a registry office.
 

Screwed99

Member
I don't know why you people are trying to help this jerk other than he sounds taken advantage of by one of your own!!

Advice you give him may help in his present pradicament but the idiot will just do it again!!
The people on here have actually been quite helpful and I am grateful that they have taken the time out to reply. There was no need for that. This is an advice forum.
 

wileybunch

Senior Member
Thanks. She was pregnant with twins when we married. Then we found out on in January that she had miscarried but was pregnant again. There was no planned wedding as we got married in a registry office.
Unbelievable. If this here is true, than this here is not -->
Hi - I made a huge life mistake by marrying a girl I was dating in order to put her on my insurance. She was and is still pregnant and could not get access to medical treatment. She was on State Insurance and has two sons already with different fathers. I stayed with her for five weeks but couldn't stand the abuse.
 

Screwed99

Member
Unbelievable. If this here is true, than this here is not -->
Why are you stating that it is not true. She was pregnant with twins or at least she was claiming to be when we married. The evidence I had to go off was a urine test that I witnessed which was positive and the fact that she was vomiting regularly which I also witnessed. What good would it do me to lie about the facts on an advice forum?
 

majomom1

Senior Member
Why are you stating that it is not true. She was pregnant with twins or at least she was claiming to be when we married. The evidence I had to go off was a urine test that I witnessed which was positive and the fact that she was vomiting regularly which I also witnessed. What good would it do me to lie about the facts on an advice forum?
Eewww... tmi. I hate to tell you this, but a urine test would not tell you she was carrying twins... and how she could NOT know that she miscarried and got prego again... is a bit of a mystery to me. There are also many 'things' that can make you vomit regularly...

You are way too gullible IMO and obviously believe everything this woman tells you. You need to stop believing her and get some real facts of your own.
 

Screwed99

Member
$50,000 +

Thanks. I was born and raised in Ireland, so wet behind the ears yes definitely. I moved out straight away on 1/25/2008 and hired an attorney. The reason I hired an attorney straight away is because there is a limited amount of time within which you can file for an annulment in IL. Long story short I'm already on my third retainer. I gave her between $5,000 and $6,000 when I was with her and have already shelled out almost $12,000 in legal costs. I expect that I will incur at least another $15,000 in legal costs. So to break the cost down.

Cash I gave her when I was with her $6,000
My legal costs (estimate) $25,000
Her legal costs that I will have to pay
because she is unemployed $25,000
Uncovered medical costs ($10k - $20k) $15,000

So in Summary if I get out for less then $75,000 I'll probably be doing well considering she is also looking for maintenance and fictitious costs. Obviously I don't have $75,000 and will have to re mortgage so I have two additional questions?

1). Is there anything I can do at this point to stop incurring legal costs? The case drags on and on every month and I get billed and for every $ I spend she is entitled to the same. That being said we probably won't get a proper hearing until October, one month after the child arrives.

2). I make $80,000 per year, she is unemployed and hasn't worked for over five years. It is a mystery to me how she has survived as she denies being in receipt of child support for her two existing sons one of which her parents pay for him to attend Private high school, she also drives a brand new car which she claims was given to her by her ex boyfriend. Discovery should bring some truth to that story. Will the courts factor into the child support award the fact that I will have incurred additional debt for legal and pregnancy related medical costs? Thanks again.
 

mistoffolees

Senior Member
Thanks. I was born and raised in Ireland, so wet behind the ears yes definitely. I moved out straight away on 1/25/2008 and hired an attorney. The reason I hired an attorney straight away is because there is a limited amount of time within which you can file for an annulment in IL. Long story short I'm already on my third retainer. I gave her between $5,000 and $6,000 when I was with her and have already shelled out almost $12,000 in legal costs. I expect that I will incur at least another $15,000 in legal costs. So to break the cost down.

Cash I gave her when I was with her $6,000
My legal costs (estimate) $25,000
Her legal costs that I will have to pay
because she is unemployed $25,000
Uncovered medical costs ($10k - $20k) $15,000

So in Summary if I get out for less then $75,000 I'll probably be doing well considering she is also looking for maintenance and fictitious costs. Obviously I don't have $75,000 and will have to re mortgage so I have two additional questions?

1). Is there anything I can do at this point to stop incurring legal costs? The case drags on and on every month and I get billed and for every $ I spend she is entitled to the same. That being said we probably won't get a proper hearing until October, one month after the child arrives.

2). I make $80,000 per year, she is unemployed and hasn't worked for over five years. It is a mystery to me how she has survived as she denies being in receipt of child support for her two existing sons one of which her parents pay for him to attend Private high school, she also drives a brand new car which she claims was given to her by her ex boyfriend. Discovery should bring some truth to that story. Will the courts factor into the child support award the fact that I will have incurred additional debt for legal and pregnancy related medical costs? Thanks again.
Yes, divorce is expensive. Marriage is expensive. Nothing you've stated is unusual.

Why in the world have you had 3 attorneys? Sequentially dropping attorneys because you don't like what they tell you isn't generally a good idea.

Wake up time: You need to realize something. The fact that she was pregnant when you married her is irrelevant because she miscarried that child and later became pregnant to you. The fact that she hasn't worked is irrelevant. The fact that you want to believe that you were doing her a favor is irrelevant. The fact that you don't know how she has supported herself in the past is irrelevant. In fact, almost everything you've cited is irrelevant.

Here are the facts the court will consider:
1. You married her. No one was holding a gun to your head.
2. She became pregnant. You admit it that you are responsible.
3. You want to divorce her.
4. She has no other source of income.

It's not a complex situation, even though you're trying to make it out to be. I'm having a really hard time figuring out why you think you can get an annulment. You file for divorce, follow the procedures in your state, and eventually go your separate ways.

You will be supporting the child(ren). Period. You will pay some, if not all, of her legal expenses. You will give her about half of any assets accumulated during your marriage. You will probably not be paying alimony because it's a short term marriage.

The only other thing you have to consider is what you're going to do about your children. Your options are to try to get sole custody (extremely difficult unless you can show that IN THE COURT'S EYES she's an unfit mother). You can walk away and never see the kids. Or anything in between. Figure out what you want and work with your attorney to try to get it.

All the other stuff (her earlier pregnancies, etc) is irrelevant, so drop it. It's costing you energy, time, and money.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Thanks. She was pregnant with twins when we married. Then we found out on in January that she had miscarried but was pregnant again. There was no planned wedding as we got married in a registry office.
Logic states -- She was NOT pregnant with twins when you married. She couldn't have been. Because here is the deal -- if she would have miscarried and gotten pregnant immediately her body most likely would have rejected the pregnancy. The percentages are extremely high on repeat miscarriages when pregnancy happens right away. How far along in the twin pregnancy was she when you got married? And if she miscarried after you got married in December then the earliest she could have gotten pregnant was end of January which would mean her due date would be approximately mid to end of October. and that is if she got pregnant about as soon as she could after the supposed miscarriage. My bet is she found a patsy and you were it. She never miscarried. And the baby will born "early" as compared to the due date. Probably beginning of August which she will explain by saying that the baby is early due to the fact that she has had two previous children.
 

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