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Getting custody of a grandson in fostercare

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Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Sorry...that argument just recently went to the supreme court due to a trial court saying the parent HAS cleaned up their lives and gave the custody back to the parent. This was appealed. It was over turned and stated clearly by the supreme court that no change in circumstance had changed for the child and therefore gave custody back to the g.p.'s.The specific error and reason the trial court made their decision is the verbiage "PARENT" was to mean a superior standing. However once received custody it was fact.

Now...I do not know law verbiage's (not an atty. nor are MANY on here) However when I saw this as presented to me by my atty. (2 in fact) the case itself...This is what it means. I am going to find this for you.

You see...I promised back when on here that unless I am darn sure I will not state "law". That I don't know enough to do so as MANY certainly do not.

This I am certain of and it is set in stone by the Supreme court. Oh...believe me...I read the long and lengthy case and STILL did not understand it so I got 2 attys. to clarify it. As well as a 3rd person that should have been one...She gives such good advice!

Also you are arguing a change in custody from one person to another. IN OHIO. In Ohio for clarification purposes, if a child is in foster care, the parents have up to TWO YEARS to get their child back if they clean up their act. When custody changes however from temporary custody to the state to custody to anyone else, that is when it requires a substantial change in circumstance in the CHILD's LIFE! I dare you to argue with me on that.
 


Just Blue

Senior Member
Also you are arguing a change in custody from one person to another. IN OHIO. In Ohio for clarification purposes, if a child is in foster care, the parents have up to TWO YEARS to get their child back if they clean up their act. When custody changes however from temporary custody to the state to custody to anyone else, that is when it requires a substantial change in circumstance in the CHILD's LIFE! I dare you to argue with me on that.
I didn't even bother to read the link since it's..you know...in OHIO!! and OP is in Cali.;)
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I didn't even bother to read the link since it's..you know...in OHIO!! and OP is in Cali.;)
Hence why I was clarifying the situation even further. THIS thread is getting completely off track and I stand by what I have stated in it. OP has a hard road to try to jump in now.
 

Rushia

Senior Member
www.sconet.state.oh.us/Communications_Office/summaries/2007/0530/051994.asp
However...you are wrong

I personally hope someday both parents in my case could start with taking care of themselves...Lets start with that...eh?
Being as you were the first to respond....How was OP taken down?

I stand by what I said, if paternity has not been established there are no paternal gp's. Stealth was correct that you should not assume genders. Do you know if OP is male or female? Do you know if OP is even actually the parent? Many stepgps are just as bad as stepparents when claiming "my child or grandchild".

I am not wrong. Parents will ALWAYS have standing superior to a gp. One case (that isn't even in the same state as OP) doesn't make your case. There is much more case law available to the parent.
 
Stealth was correct that you should not assume genders.
Do you know if OP is male or female?
So my assuming gender is SOOO bad is it? Then why in the very next thread under grandparents going on RIGHT NOW the gender of grandpa WAS assumed to be grandma by a "Sr. Member"??? Grandma just came on and corrected the "SR. Member" and says he's Grandpa. In either threads neither gender wrong assumptions are the ISSUE at all thus my assuming one gender is NOT BAD ADVICE so get over yourself. As for parternity establishment UNTIL this is addressed as in ANY father's thread is still not an ISSUE...until IT is addressed. Geeze

Quote: I am not wrong. Parents will ALWAYS have standing superior to a gp. One case (that isn't even in the same state as OP) doesn't make your case. (However it is GOOD REFERENCE TO REVIEW) There is much more case law available to the parent.
Oh...o.k. show it. Where a parent gets back custody IN CA. after a parent grows up without proving a circumstancial change of the child WITH the g.p.s. and the G.P.'s lost this case in the CA. Supreme Court after an appeal...

IF YOU DO THIS...I WILL LEAVE THIS BOARD ON MY OWN. VS. YOUR "CAMPAIGN" UNTIL THEN I AM ASKING YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE ONCE AND FOR ALL.
 
A deal!!!

lol...I can see you now...racing thru the CA. supreme courts site to find such a case.
Keep in mind. As I state I do not know specific case laws nor as many here LICENSED in only ONE state yet claim accuracy in others? HMMM.

1.) a grandparent has full perm. custody in CA.
2.) the parents were found unfit
3.) the parent gets better/grows up/gets out of prison/off drugs etc...
4.) after 2 yrs. the parent comes back for custody
5.) trial court gives back to parents
6.) G.P. objects...appeals the trial courts decision based off the verbiage of PARENT and the Supreme Court of CA. agrees with the trial court in doing so SPECIFICALLY based on IT is the parent and NOT a change in circumstance...

Now...you all get this case together...and I will leave this board...Now...get going?? THE RACE IS ON.

Gotta go get my grand son from his piano lessons. I'll be back after lunch and during nap time.
 

CourtClerk

Senior Member
IF YOU DO THIS...I WILL LEAVE THIS BOARD ON MY OWN.
And then she'll do just what she did this time... wait a few months and come right back under another screen name.

A quick trip down Lexis Nexis would get the case law, but I guarantee you she'll be playing this same darn game months from now. Why bother?
 

CJane

Senior Member
Now...you all get this case together...and I will leave this board...Now...get going?? THE RACE IS ON.
Uh huh. You'll leave. Just like last time.

And you'll come back with a new name. Just like last time.

And we'll keep pointing out that you give TERRIBLE advice. Just like last time.

No thanks. Under this screenname, you're the evil we KNOW. Under a new one, we'd have to weed you out again.
 
The case you are citing is precedent ONLY in Ohio. NOT in California and therefore it is not relevant and could be extremely misleading. So please do not cite it on a California thread.

As for the fact that the child has been placed with a relative in OP's case -- the problem is, she is on equal footing with said aunt or stepaunt. Whatever. HOWEVER, the step-relation actually has more of a chance of custody because she has been responsible for this child, has been taking care of the child's day to day needs, and has passed all the background checks that are required to be a placement for a child in foster care. The grandparent has NO rights in this case. Legally the grandparent is a stranger and if they wanted placement should have asked many months ago when placement was FIRST being determined. If they hestitated then for whatever reason they have put themselves severely at a disadvantage.

The court is mandated to look at the best interests of the child and not what the adults in said child's life want. NOR are they to look at why the grandparent may have delayed. And that is assuming that paternity WAS and HAS been established. Quite frankly paternity is one of the first things the state does or attempts to accomplish when a child is placed in foster care.

Even under that assumption, if the child has a bond with the current foster placement, that foster placement, if they choose to, has superior rights to maintaining the child there.

Grandparent OP stated that:


This grandparent therefore put their child's needs in front of the grandchild. Hence they hesitated. That hesitation does not bode well for them. As for adoption, that will only happen if the parents' rights are all terminated. If the current foster placement seeks legal custody, the parents' rights will not be terminated.

If the grandparent wants placement they will NEED an attorney. They will also need to answer harsh questions regarding why they put their adult child's needs before the minor grandchild and how they will work for the minor grandchild's best interests in the future.
That is a hard battle.

Grandma's House -- you may mean well but posting irrelevant caselaw does NOT help matters. Nor does posting how things went in Ohio when the OP is not from Ohio and Ohio has nothing to do with it. You have made assumptions. You can't do that unless you have a legal reason to do so. Even an assumption that OP is male or female may start you off on the wrong foot. IF you sit back and read and start to learn the important questions to ask and why those questions are important, as well as apply your experience to the APPLICABLE RELEVANT LAW, then you could be a very useful member of this forum. However, every time you need to be corrected, it detracts and puts you in a hole. Look at it this way -- you start at surface level. Posting bad information makes you dig a hole. Good information allows you to climb a ladder. At this point in time you are in a hole. Until you even climb out of that hole and reach the surface again and start to ascend, the seniors are going to be watching you like a hawk and criticizing you. You only ascend by giving proper LEGAL advice.
1.) A few months does not constitute much at all. A passing of a criminal back ground and being a Foster Parent? I don't see this step auntie running to court with a motion for custody either yet!!!
2.) your slamming grandma (when out of state) not knowing ALL the facts and may have JUST found out that Mom was in a hospital what have you...of course knows of her son's problems and OF COURSE tries to help him and being out of state not having all the facts like yourself
3.) You and your position have ALREADY determined what IS in the best interest of the child...and this is concerning. Without all the facts.

All else I do agree with you but not the fact that you are telling her she HAS NO chance? You are already determining your professional opinion off this brief thread>???:(

You don't even know if step auntie HAS A DESIRE to full and perm custody...but have made an opinion because she IS Mom's step sister is a foster parent (WITHOUT FACT OF IT YET) but only Grandma taking POSSIBLY her word for it?

I'm sorry....I BELIEVE if Grandparents want to motion for custody they should!

You are one of maybe #4 tht I do have respect for on here and enough to even attempt to give you a referral from the C.R.C. however YOU DO jump to not only an opinion on SO little but a DECISION TOO???
 

CJane

Senior Member
I'm sorry....I BELIEVE if Grandparents want to motion for custody they should!
Without standing and with the child ALREADY in Foster Care?

It's just not that easy. If the grandparent wanted to step in, the time to do-so would have been BEFORE the state got involved, not after the child was removed and placed in the system.
 
I Never Waited A Few Mos. Was Never Ever Booted...

And then she'll do just what she did this time... wait a few months and come right back under another screen name.

A quick trip down Lexis Nexis would get the case law, but I guarantee you she'll be playing this same darn game months from now. Why bother?
I never break my word...and anyone that knows me knows this. So...take your trip OR...hush and do not post to me or about me again!!!

As for another name...that I told YOU about??? PALEASE!!!

Pack your bags FOR THE TRIP LOL and find that "quick" case mirroring this one in my details given or be quiet.:p
 

CJane

Senior Member
I never break my word...and anyone that knows me knows this. So...take your trip OR...hush and do not post to me or about me again!!!

As for another name...that I told YOU about??? PALEASE!!!

Pack your bags FOR THE TRIP LOL and find that "quick" case mirroring this one in my details given or be quiet.:p
Wow. You're kind of crabby when people refuse to do your bidding, aren't you?
 

CourtClerk

Senior Member
I never break my word
Yeah, you do... and you talk out of both sides of your mouth...
As for another name...that I told YOU about??? PALEASE
Actually, I had you pegged WAYYYY before you said anything about another screen name. Actually, I didn't even know you said anything about another screen name until recently, because I'm never on during the day during the work week. Your posts told on you, then you had to tell on yourself.
do not post to me or about me again!!!
Unless you've purchased this board in the last 24 hours, you don't get to decide who I post to or about. So, I believe there is an ignore function. If you don't want to read what I type, utilize it. If you don't care what I type, then stop getting your granny panties in a bunch. I will continue to call you out every opportunity that I have... and I will continue to post about you and to you when I feel like it.
 
Without standing and with the child ALREADY in Foster Care?

It's just not that easy. If the grandparent wanted to step in, the time to do-so would have been BEFORE the state got involved, not after the child was removed and placed in the system.
I NEVER EVER said this was easy. I have the SUDDEN grey hair, the accelerated wrinkles to prove it.

Again...they may not have known what the heck was going on already.:(

They can too TRY to get custody and I DO NOT believe a few mos. with a Foster Parent give the foster parent upper hand. IT WAS NOT EMERGENCY CUSTODY...The child was placed in a "temporary" foster home. Foster parent does NOT mean custodial parent....YET AND ONLY IF THEY TOO MOTION FOR CUSTODY.

ALL I am saying is stop telling people they are doomed when they ARE NOT!!!:)
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
1.) A few months does not constitute much at all. A passing of a criminal back ground and being a Foster Parent? I don't see this step auntie running to court with a motion for custody either yet!!!
Do you understand how foster care works? The parents are given a chance to complete a caseplan and get custody back. If the state moves for permanent custody and the stepaunt wants custody, she will have a good chance if the child is bonded to her. Which is likely that the child will be bonded.


2.) your slamming grandma (when out of state) not knowing ALL the facts and may have JUST found out that Mom was in a hospital what have you...of course knows of her son's problems and OF COURSE tries to help him and being out of state not having all the facts like yourself
I never slammed grandma (is the OP a female?) but I said that there were questions that the grandparent would have to answer. Unless the grandparent can answer those questions it will be an extremely tough battle.

3.) You and your position have ALREADY determined what IS in the best interest of the child...and this is concerning. Without all the facts.
No. I have not determined what is in the best interest of the child. I have stated what the courts look at.

All else I do agree with you but not the fact that you are telling her she HAS NO chance? You are already determining your professional opinion off this brief thread>???:(
I did not say that she had NO chance. Again do we even know if the OP is female? I don't. However using your terms i never said that the grandparent had NO chance. What I stated was that there were obstacles and grandparent needed an attorney.


You don't even know if step auntie HAS A DESIRE to full and perm custody...but have made an opinion because she IS Mom's step sister is a foster parent (WITHOUT FACT OF IT YET) but only Grandma taking POSSIBLY her word for it?
I told grandparent to get an attorney. End of story.


I'm sorry....I BELIEVE if Grandparents want to motion for custody they should!

Where did I say that the grandparent shouldn't petition for custody? Oh yeah. I did not. I said there were obstacles. It is called reality.

You are one of maybe #4 tht I do have respect for on here and enough to even attempt to give you a referral from the C.R.C. however YOU DO jump to not only an opinion on SO little but a DECISION TOO???

I never made a decision about this case. EVER. I pointed out problems. But I will say this, if you ever assume you know who I am and give out information purporting to be my contact information we are going to have issues. I do NOT give my personal information out on here. Nor do I introduce myself as Ohiogal in public. So do NOT purport to send what you ASSUME is my personal information to anyone referring them to me. I do NOT troll this site for clients and I am NOT about to start. And once more, I DO NOT HANDLE ADOPTIONS contrary to what you apparently told ChildrenRUs and what ChildrenRUs posted on another thread.
 
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