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NCMomof5

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My parents do see the kids a few times a year (They always come down near Christmas, usually in October, and again in February, in addition to seeing them for the two weeks every summer....and they always have had that summer visit, even while we were married). They also make an effort to stay in touch. They send cards, letters back and forth, skype at least weekly, and talk on the phone a few times a week. They play games online a lot together (on pogo) and in general do their best to maintain a relationship. All those things are available to the kid's father, and he chooses not to use them. Not that it matters much, but I don't actually get along all that well with my mom. She was angry when I moved here (I have other family in this area) instead of back to Ohio, but even though we disagree, I am able to see that it benefits the KIDS to have a relationship with her. I feel the same way about their father.

I would not have been asking for a reintroduction just because he went away for a year on military duty. Yes, he is deployed now, but chose not to have contact with the kids for the two years prior to that while he was in the states. The last time he saw them, as we were leaving, he told the kids that they wouldn't be seeing him again because he didn't want to deal with me. (We had exchanged words on the phone prior to me coming to get them because it messed up my schedule to have to come get them so soon...I missed class, and I missed work) and he proceeded to change his phone number, and mostly ignore emails for that two years. The parts about him being a soldier and being deployed were just because I wanted to demonstrate that the kids really had not spent much time with him, even before his voluntary absence, and it was unreasonable to expect especially the youngest to feel comfortable on a 6 week visit in a strange place, with someone they barely know.

I heard back from him though, and he says that his visit with his mom is only going to overlap by the first two days the kids are there. I am afraid if I allow him those days, he will leave the kids with his mother, and then I would probably have to take an extra trip to Ohio to retrieve them, so that my mom could see them. So at this point I am unsure how to approach this. We had been planning on arranging with his mom like we did last year, for her to visit a few days in my moms home. Like I said, he cut off contact with her while we were married (oddly enough because he felt like she wasn't making an effort to be a part of the kid's lives) and so last summer was the first time they had seen her at all since 2005. I don't think letting her have a week of the two weeks is fair, especially since my mom is paying the cost of bringing them up and returning them. After this summer, he gets the same amount of summer time I do, and if he wants her to have them for a week, I think he should arrange that on his own, and not expect my family to foot the bill for it.
 


My parents do see the kids a few times a year (They always come down near Christmas, usually in October, and again in February, in addition to seeing them for the two weeks every summer....and they always have had that summer visit, even while we were married). They also make an effort to stay in touch. They send cards, letters back and forth, skype at least weekly, and talk on the phone a few times a week. They play games online a lot together (on pogo) and in general do their best to maintain a relationship. All those things are available to the kid's father, and he chooses not to use them. Not that it matters much, but I don't actually get along all that well with my mom. She was angry when I moved here (I have other family in this area) instead of back to Ohio, but even though we disagree, I am able to see that it benefits the KIDS to have a relationship with her. I feel the same way about their father.

I would not have been asking for a reintroduction just because he went away for a year on military duty. Yes, he is deployed now, but chose not to have contact with the kids for the two years prior to that while he was in the states. The last time he saw them, as we were leaving, he told the kids that they wouldn't be seeing him again because he didn't want to deal with me. (We had exchanged words on the phone prior to me coming to get them because it messed up my schedule to have to come get them so soon...I missed class, and I missed work) and he proceeded to change his phone number, and mostly ignore emails for that two years. The parts about him being a soldier and being deployed were just because I wanted to demonstrate that the kids really had not spent much time with him, even before his voluntary absence, and it was unreasonable to expect especially the youngest to feel comfortable on a 6 week visit in a strange place, with someone they barely know.

I heard back from him though, and he says that his visit with his mom is only going to overlap by the first two days the kids are there. I am afraid if I allow him those days, he will leave the kids with his mother, and then I would probably have to take an extra trip to Ohio to retrieve them, so that my mom could see them. So at this point I am unsure how to approach this. We had been planning on arranging with his mom like we did last year, for her to visit a few days in my moms home. Like I said, he cut off contact with her while we were married (oddly enough because he felt like she wasn't making an effort to be a part of the kid's lives) and so last summer was the first time they had seen her at all since 2005. I don't think letting her have a week of the two weeks is fair, especially since my mom is paying the cost of bringing them up and returning them. After this summer, he gets the same amount of summer time I do, and if he wants her to have them for a week, I think he should arrange that on his own, and not expect my family to foot the bill for it.
Then I would tell him to take a hike - if he wants to see the children it would be the last of the days they are there and he COULD make that work and go see his Mother during THAT time if he wanted to. If he is choosing to say "my way or the highway" then tell him you are offering x-y-z out of the goodness of your heart, on YOUR summer time, and he can take the highway because he's not getting his own way. Or, his Mother can come to NC with him during HIS week.

The point is, you are offering him something while everyone is in Ohio and that says you are being the "bigger" person. He doesn't get to dictate what you offer him out of the goodness of your heart, especially when he has said he will keep the children for the entire time.
 

MichaCA

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I would also be leery of dad picking the kids up from gparents and not returning. Since you can't count on that, my opinion only...its too much drama. I believe that holds true for the kids too. Theres a court order, he gets to follow it too.

I commend you for even considering suggesting that he and parents visit your parents. All that kind of stuff would be great if it could be done without drama - any - on dads part. So think carefully how you go into that conversation if you have it.
 

NCMomof5

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Another question

Ok, so the kids father has been home, and so far has not made any attempt at visiting. We haven't heard from him at all in fact except for a phone call to me last month telling me he was getting out of the military and would start terminal leave in November. (He also told me he won't be getting paid after November and so I may not get child support for awhile until he gets "settled" which I am fairly sure is untrue. His ETS date is actually in February, but anyways...)

It has come to my attention that he is planning to move to California on leaving the army. His girlfriend has all ready gone on ahead with allt heir belongings, and he is just finishing up his last 10 or so weeks staying with a friend. I think our order is fairly poorly written anyways. He was supposed to have some shorter visits leading up to a regular visit here in December. I do not believe he will use any of the reintroduction visits, but think it is possible he will try to get the kids in December.

Is he required to inform me, or the courts that he is moving because he is the NCP? Our original order states neither of us can move the children more than 100 miles, which is sort of silly because I lived in NC all ready when everything was filed. Also, the transportation portion is going to be an issue now. Before, I had the option of driving to do my half of the transport. Obviously this will be a much larger distance, and a large cost. I sort of feel like he should be responsible for the extra cost associated with the move. I moved one state over, before we even filed, with his agreement. He is moving across the country from the kids. Would it be appropriate to go back to court and have the transportation issue addressed, or will it not matter because we have a long distance plan in place as it is? If it needs to be addressed, would it be better to just leave it be until he makes plans to visit, which I think is a small chance anyways, or would this be better taken care of as soon as I know for sure that he has moved?
 

CSO286

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Ok, so the kids father has been home, and so far has not made any attempt at visiting. We haven't heard from him at all in fact except for a phone call to me last month telling me he was getting out of the military and would start terminal leave in November. (He also told me he won't be getting paid after November and so I may not get child support for awhile until he gets "settled" which I am fairly sure is untrue. His ETS date is actually in February, but anyways...)

It has come to my attention that he is planning to move to California on leaving the army. His girlfriend has all ready gone on ahead with allt heir belongings, and he is just finishing up his last 10 or so weeks staying with a friend. I think our order is fairly poorly written anyways. He was supposed to have some shorter visits leading up to a regular visit here in December. I do not believe he will use any of the reintroduction visits, but think it is possible he will try to get the kids in December.

Is he required to inform me, or the courts that he is moving because he is the NCP? Our original order states neither of us can move the children more than 100 miles, which is sort of silly because I lived in NC all ready when everything was filed. Also, the transportation portion is going to be an issue now. Before, I had the option of driving to do my half of the transport. Obviously this will be a much larger distance, and a large cost. I sort of feel like he should be responsible for the extra cost associated with the move. I moved one state over, before we even filed, with his agreement. He is moving across the country from the kids. Would it be appropriate to go back to court and have the transportation issue addressed, or will it not matter because we have a long distance plan in place as it is? If it needs to be addressed, would it be better to just leave it be until he makes plans to visit, which I think is a small chance anyways, or would this be better taken care of as soon as I know for sure that he has moved?
Yes, both of you are expected to keep each other and the court informed as to your whereabouts.

What do your current orders say about transportation? And givien tht your now looking at shelling out for flights and not simply gas, I would seriously consider revisiting the issue.

I am a fairly proactive person, so I'd take care of it sooner rather than later.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Consider adding virtual parenting time to your order. Think:
  • webcam
  • instant messaging
  • emailing
  • schedule of phone calls

Definitely address the "gradual reintroduction" that he HAS to go thru AND complete the steps before there is parenting time outside of NC.
 

CSO286

Senior Member
Consider adding virtual parenting time to your order. Think:
  • webcam
  • instant messaging
  • emailing
  • schedule of phone calls

Definitely address the "gradual reintroduction" that he HAS to go thru AND complete the steps before there is parenting time outside of NC.
For example: My order requires the NCP to complete at least X number of visits over a Y year period in the child's community before child would be permitted to travel to CP.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Ok, so the kids father has been home, and so far has not made any attempt at visiting. We haven't heard from him at all in fact except for a phone call to me last month telling me he was getting out of the military and would start terminal leave in November. (He also told me he won't be getting paid after November and so I may not get child support for awhile until he gets "settled" which I am fairly sure is untrue. His ETS date is actually in February, but anyways...)
Are you saying that he didn't take the visit in July that was prearranged?

It has come to my attention that he is planning to move to California on leaving the army. His girlfriend has all ready gone on ahead with allt heir belongings, and he is just finishing up his last 10 or so weeks staying with a friend. I think our order is fairly poorly written anyways. He was supposed to have some shorter visits leading up to a regular visit here in December. I do not believe he will use any of the reintroduction visits, but think it is possible he will try to get the kids in December.
If he doesn't take the reintroduction visits then that defeats the purpose of the whole reintroduction schedule.

Is he required to inform me, or the courts that he is moving because he is the NCP? Our original order states neither of us can move the children more than 100 miles, which is sort of silly because I lived in NC all ready when everything was filed. Also, the transportation portion is going to be an issue now. Before, I had the option of driving to do my half of the transport. Obviously this will be a much larger distance, and a large cost. I sort of feel like he should be responsible for the extra cost associated with the move. I moved one state over, before we even filed, with his agreement. He is moving across the country from the kids. Would it be appropriate to go back to court and have the transportation issue addressed, or will it not matter because we have a long distance plan in place as it is? If it needs to be addressed, would it be better to just leave it be until he makes plans to visit, which I think is a small chance anyways, or would this be better taken care of as soon as I know for sure that he has moved?
I think that if dad does not make plans to see the children before October, that you should take it back to court to get a new reintroduction schedule ordered based on the current factors...and to get dad ordered to provide the bulk of the transportation costs.

However, I have a feeling that dad is simply going to flake out on the children again
 
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