I AM ALWAYS LIABLE
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sod124 said:
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sod124
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Thanks Carl
Never thought about a lawsuit, she wouldn't allow it. I don't relish the thought of going to court, but I believe the kid when he said he didn't know it was there. Thanks Again
Never thought about a lawsuit, she wouldn't allow it. I don't relish the thought of going to court, but I believe the kid when he said he didn't know it was there. Thanks Again
To IAAL
Yes I held back and watched all day with amusment before piping in, lol! What a better thing to steal than "underwear" who would steal that? Right? Of course it fit one of the kids, or him. How long can a line for lay-away be? Maybe Momma should have taken her crying child out to the enterence, left the cart with the "gate keepers" get the bottle and feed and care for her child and then get back in line or just send her son out to the car, alone, it could only take at most 5 minutes round trip. They don't have blue light specials, I think they have a bouncing happy face that cuts back prices. I have only been to W-Mart a few times mostly because it was close to my son's house and we got pictures taken of our grand daughter, I have even walked out without buying anything.
NOW it is very interesting that the money just ran out from their "last discrimination suit"!
The plot sickens oops I mean, thickens! I wonder if the folks at Wall Mart caught that one, maybe they should consult a criminal attorney?
Yes I held back and watched all day with amusment before piping in, lol! What a better thing to steal than "underwear" who would steal that? Right? Of course it fit one of the kids, or him. How long can a line for lay-away be? Maybe Momma should have taken her crying child out to the enterence, left the cart with the "gate keepers" get the bottle and feed and care for her child and then get back in line or just send her son out to the car, alone, it could only take at most 5 minutes round trip. They don't have blue light specials, I think they have a bouncing happy face that cuts back prices. I have only been to W-Mart a few times mostly because it was close to my son's house and we got pictures taken of our grand daughter, I have even walked out without buying anything.
NOW it is very interesting that the money just ran out from their "last discrimination suit"!
The plot sickens oops I mean, thickens! I wonder if the folks at Wall Mart caught that one, maybe they should consult a criminal attorney?Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
(I work!!) the money from our last discrimination lawsuit ran out the month before.
This has got to be a top ten list thread.
This has got to be a top ten list thread.
I think he was being sarcastic about the last discrimination suit.
In any event, the poster will lose because no matter how the underwear got in the cart, once the cart left the store a shoplifting happened. So who is the one that is going to be held accountable - mom or son?
BTW, is your wife the birth mother to the 12 year old? I ask because it seems strange your son doesnt speak the same language as his mom/your wife. Is she a mail-order bride?
In any event, the poster will lose because no matter how the underwear got in the cart, once the cart left the store a shoplifting happened. So who is the one that is going to be held accountable - mom or son?
BTW, is your wife the birth mother to the 12 year old? I ask because it seems strange your son doesnt speak the same language as his mom/your wife. Is she a mail-order bride?
I AM ALWAYS LIABLE
Senior Member
Top 10 Reasons To Sue Wal-Mart For Discrimination - -
NUMBER 10: Hire yourself as an employee of Wal-Mart, fire yourself, sue yourself for discrimination, deduct court costs.
NUMBER 9: Cashiers sue Wal-Mart for having to spend so much time with freakin' foreigners.
NUMBER 8: When they refuse to settle your discrimination lawsuit, tell them you'll settle for a wadded-up piece of Reynolds Wrap.
NUMBER 7: I can't shop at Wal-Mart because each of the employees speak different, crazy, foreign languages.
NUMBER 6: All them damn discount stores got nothing but foreigners!
NUMBER 5: Wal-Mart just started stocking and selling a "clean" version of the Pamela and Tommy Lee sex tape. Tape length, 10 seconds.
NUMBER 4: The Wal-Mart employee manual tells us to refer to all foreigners as "them Chinese".
NUMBER 3: Our writer's wife is a foreigner, and he married her to expand her cultural horizons and to teach her new swear words.
NUMBER 2: Wal-Mart supervisor won't pay her for sex -- says Philippine women are just too, too, ugly - - compared to those bitchen blonde Swedish babes!
AND NOW, the NUMBER ONE Reason To Sue Wal-Mart For Discrimination - -
Wal-Mart only sells the cheap crap underwear, that's made in Malaysia, to Filipino wives.
IAAL
NUMBER 10: Hire yourself as an employee of Wal-Mart, fire yourself, sue yourself for discrimination, deduct court costs.
NUMBER 9: Cashiers sue Wal-Mart for having to spend so much time with freakin' foreigners.
NUMBER 8: When they refuse to settle your discrimination lawsuit, tell them you'll settle for a wadded-up piece of Reynolds Wrap.
NUMBER 7: I can't shop at Wal-Mart because each of the employees speak different, crazy, foreign languages.
NUMBER 6: All them damn discount stores got nothing but foreigners!
NUMBER 5: Wal-Mart just started stocking and selling a "clean" version of the Pamela and Tommy Lee sex tape. Tape length, 10 seconds.
NUMBER 4: The Wal-Mart employee manual tells us to refer to all foreigners as "them Chinese".
NUMBER 3: Our writer's wife is a foreigner, and he married her to expand her cultural horizons and to teach her new swear words.
NUMBER 2: Wal-Mart supervisor won't pay her for sex -- says Philippine women are just too, too, ugly - - compared to those bitchen blonde Swedish babes!
AND NOW, the NUMBER ONE Reason To Sue Wal-Mart For Discrimination - -
Wal-Mart only sells the cheap crap underwear, that's made in Malaysia, to Filipino wives.
IAAL
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sod124
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Yes I was kidding!
I work, my wife works, we pay taxes so senior members can collect SS, sit online and give me whatfor!! When I posted this I was actually hoping someone who had dealt with Wal-mart before might give me some insight. I know of some people who had been caught with the goods on their person by Walmart, they had them arrested, they took them to court within 3 months and had everything settled. This has gone on for a year in August. If you have a case why turn it over to Lawyers then offer to settle for 100 bucks?? Lawyers are more than happy to go to court if they have a good case and can collect there fees. Any dealings with Wal-mart out there!!??
I work, my wife works, we pay taxes so senior members can collect SS, sit online and give me whatfor!! When I posted this I was actually hoping someone who had dealt with Wal-mart before might give me some insight. I know of some people who had been caught with the goods on their person by Walmart, they had them arrested, they took them to court within 3 months and had everything settled. This has gone on for a year in August. If you have a case why turn it over to Lawyers then offer to settle for 100 bucks?? Lawyers are more than happy to go to court if they have a good case and can collect there fees. Any dealings with Wal-mart out there!!??
Shay-Pari'e
Senior Member
It's gone on so long because YOU refused to settle, now your up a creek. Look, I think you have the BIG BX confused with Walmart.sod124 said:
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TalulaRae
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My only question to you is this: Why the hell don't you go to your people now and ask them how to succeed at this Walmart manuever?sod124 said:
I can see this
I think I understand,
your wife had one cart in which your one year old was sitting in the "seat" your 2 year old was sitting in the basket itself. Your 12 year old was pushing this basket. On the way back to the law-away desk, (which is at the back of the store here) your wife went through the women's section? and your one year old grabbed a bag of undies off a rack? So, when your little one needed a bottle your 12 year old just pushed the basket with both little ones out to the van to get the bottle.
If I were you I would write a letter to the head office, and just explain what your wife told you, ect... and tell them exactly what you were told by your walmart. Let them know english is a second language for your wife. Here is their address;
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Attn: Customer Service
702 S.W. 8th Street
Bentonville, AR 72716
I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. I AM JUST ME.
I think I understand,
your wife had one cart in which your one year old was sitting in the "seat" your 2 year old was sitting in the basket itself. Your 12 year old was pushing this basket. On the way back to the law-away desk, (which is at the back of the store here) your wife went through the women's section? and your one year old grabbed a bag of undies off a rack? So, when your little one needed a bottle your 12 year old just pushed the basket with both little ones out to the van to get the bottle.
If I were you I would write a letter to the head office, and just explain what your wife told you, ect... and tell them exactly what you were told by your walmart. Let them know english is a second language for your wife. Here is their address;
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Attn: Customer Service
702 S.W. 8th Street
Bentonville, AR 72716
I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. I AM JUST ME.
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meerkat3232
Guest
Watch your kids!!
And teach your wife that these days, even a 12 year old is not fit to go out into a praking lot alone. You know, there are sick people out there who might be inclined to attempt to steal your kids underwear if you get my drift.
And teach your wife that these days, even a 12 year old is not fit to go out into a praking lot alone. You know, there are sick people out there who might be inclined to attempt to steal your kids underwear if you get my drift.
You Are Guilty
Senior Member
I've never been to a WalMart either so can someone enlighten me as to whether they even sell anything expensive enough to warrant lay-a-way? From what I surmise, they sell the same crappy stuff Kmart does.
Oh, and I took a new car on a test drive and decided to drive it home and keep it. The police arrested me, I think because I am white. Can I sue them for reverse discrimination?
Oh, and I took a new car on a test drive and decided to drive it home and keep it. The police arrested me, I think because I am white. Can I sue them for reverse discrimination?
dequeendistress
Senior Member
Depends on if the car was a foreign make or not.
Legal questions aside, meerkat is right. Even if I felt comfortable letting a twelve year old go into a parking lot alone, I would never let him do it with a baby in tow. Sickos across America just WAIT for opportunities like that.
Oh, and many of our "senior" members don't collect SS. That designation comes from the number of posts they have made, I think!
Oh, and many of our "senior" members don't collect SS. That designation comes from the number of posts they have made, I think!
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JM2
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Most of the answers are bull**** but... here may be a little help
First, ignore most of the answers. They are suggesting your wife should have done something diffrent or that you are at fault because they dont like you. Silly people.
The demand for $200 is a standard Wallmart ploy. It's a form letter.
1) What they are doing may be iligal in your state. They are demanding $200 or thretening prosocution. Unless you signed an agreement with them that states you will give them $200 then they are probably guilty of extortion.
"Give me $200 or I will break your legs" is extortion. "Give me $200 or I will take you to court" is still extortion. Some states have spicific laws baring lawyers from thretening a criminal prosocution to gain advantage in a civil suit. You may do will to address your letters to their legal department and not the loss prevention department.
2) Write their legal department asking for the basis of the demand. Ask for a copy of any contract between you, the person named in the letter, and their orgnization. Send it registerd and certified mail. They will probaby not respond but it will be usefull if you ever get to court. It will show you were making a good faith efort to reslove the situaton.
3) Ask the police department records section for any record they may have of the incident. They should be able to look it up by month and name. If Wallmarts loss prevention called them there should be a record. If there is no record you stand a good chance of beeting any state prosocution. They probaby did not call the local police. Loss prevention or the mall security are not the local police. With out a timely police report the local prosecutor is not going to touch it. That leves Wallmart with only the option of filing a civil suit. A civil suit, even if you lose, dose not go on your criminal record.
4) Sounds like they are making an offer to settle a potentual civil suite against you, before they file the suit. Ask them for that offer in writing, naming the parties involved, the amount they request, and exactly what they are offering to do for that $200.
5) Also ask them for details on what civil suit they think they are bringing and whom they think the defendants are. They would look silly taking a 12 year old to court.
If your wife did not exit the store with the goods they would have to bring a verry complicated case involving aleged conspircy before they could even attach an adult to the list of defendants. They would have a very hard job proving the conspiricy.
If they are not prepared to answer then consider talking to legal aid. They will probably not help you untill an acton has been filed in the courts but they my be able to refer you to some one who can help.
Consider finding a law student or professor to help you figure out if they have any legal basis for demanding the $200. Shoplifting is bad but this is America. They are not the judge, jury and collection agency. They don't have any legal claim against you unless you signed an agreement with them or a court decides in their favor.
Ask them for the legal basis for the claim to the $200 and copies of any documents that they have to support the claim.
Now do one last thing. Get your wife to write down everyting that happned, in order. Incude any thing they said. For example, did they say she could not go home unless she signed a statement? Did they say she would be turned over to the police unless she signed a statement? Did they detain her untill the real police arrived or just long enough to get her to sign a document?
While it's legal in all states for security to detain a suspected shop lifter, they can only detain them to asitern their identity and to recover any goods, and then can continue to detain some one until they hand them over to the police. But in that case they must call the police prompty. They can decide that they dont want to call the police, at that point they must let the person go. In most states they are not allowed to detain you for the perpous of extracting confesssons or getting you to signe documents. That's kidnap with extortion. Any confession your wife signed, while under duress, and that was not made of her own free will, and in her own words, will stand little chance in court.
So type out a full history from your wife, with date and times. Do not send that to them! Do wite to them by certifed letter and ask for the information outlined above.
Remember, this is a game of bluff. They would like $200 to go away. You want them to go away. They can't afford to take you to court to get the $200 and it would cost you more than $200 to hire a lawyer to defned you self. You may want to offer them $20 to go away. You may want to find other people who have been extorted in a similar way and take a group of plantifs to a lawyer.
First, ignore most of the answers. They are suggesting your wife should have done something diffrent or that you are at fault because they dont like you. Silly people.
The demand for $200 is a standard Wallmart ploy. It's a form letter.
1) What they are doing may be iligal in your state. They are demanding $200 or thretening prosocution. Unless you signed an agreement with them that states you will give them $200 then they are probably guilty of extortion.
"Give me $200 or I will break your legs" is extortion. "Give me $200 or I will take you to court" is still extortion. Some states have spicific laws baring lawyers from thretening a criminal prosocution to gain advantage in a civil suit. You may do will to address your letters to their legal department and not the loss prevention department.
2) Write their legal department asking for the basis of the demand. Ask for a copy of any contract between you, the person named in the letter, and their orgnization. Send it registerd and certified mail. They will probaby not respond but it will be usefull if you ever get to court. It will show you were making a good faith efort to reslove the situaton.
3) Ask the police department records section for any record they may have of the incident. They should be able to look it up by month and name. If Wallmarts loss prevention called them there should be a record. If there is no record you stand a good chance of beeting any state prosocution. They probaby did not call the local police. Loss prevention or the mall security are not the local police. With out a timely police report the local prosecutor is not going to touch it. That leves Wallmart with only the option of filing a civil suit. A civil suit, even if you lose, dose not go on your criminal record.
4) Sounds like they are making an offer to settle a potentual civil suite against you, before they file the suit. Ask them for that offer in writing, naming the parties involved, the amount they request, and exactly what they are offering to do for that $200.
5) Also ask them for details on what civil suit they think they are bringing and whom they think the defendants are. They would look silly taking a 12 year old to court.
If your wife did not exit the store with the goods they would have to bring a verry complicated case involving aleged conspircy before they could even attach an adult to the list of defendants. They would have a very hard job proving the conspiricy.
If they are not prepared to answer then consider talking to legal aid. They will probably not help you untill an acton has been filed in the courts but they my be able to refer you to some one who can help.
Consider finding a law student or professor to help you figure out if they have any legal basis for demanding the $200. Shoplifting is bad but this is America. They are not the judge, jury and collection agency. They don't have any legal claim against you unless you signed an agreement with them or a court decides in their favor.
Ask them for the legal basis for the claim to the $200 and copies of any documents that they have to support the claim.
Now do one last thing. Get your wife to write down everyting that happned, in order. Incude any thing they said. For example, did they say she could not go home unless she signed a statement? Did they say she would be turned over to the police unless she signed a statement? Did they detain her untill the real police arrived or just long enough to get her to sign a document?
While it's legal in all states for security to detain a suspected shop lifter, they can only detain them to asitern their identity and to recover any goods, and then can continue to detain some one until they hand them over to the police. But in that case they must call the police prompty. They can decide that they dont want to call the police, at that point they must let the person go. In most states they are not allowed to detain you for the perpous of extracting confesssons or getting you to signe documents. That's kidnap with extortion. Any confession your wife signed, while under duress, and that was not made of her own free will, and in her own words, will stand little chance in court.
So type out a full history from your wife, with date and times. Do not send that to them! Do wite to them by certifed letter and ask for the information outlined above.
Remember, this is a game of bluff. They would like $200 to go away. You want them to go away. They can't afford to take you to court to get the $200 and it would cost you more than $200 to hire a lawyer to defned you self. You may want to offer them $20 to go away. You may want to find other people who have been extorted in a similar way and take a group of plantifs to a lawyer.
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