Inter-District Transfers

[RubyPrynne]

That's because you are acting like a self-righteous, entitled parent.

Right, you won't "cooperate with inequality" - you just want a more equal opportunities for your child than your neighbors, because your child is inherently more equal than others.



I have 2 words for you: private school.

I have another 2 words for you: home schooling.

You need to either pay extra or do it yourself.

Ridiculous. No my child does NOT inherently deserve MORE. Every child deserves the same education, but it is NOT the same in public schools. I am NOT asking for preferential treatment, but I would expect more leniency for parents who want their child out of a bad district. PI rights (parents can get child out of district because of poor school performance) were done away with only THIS YEAR. So now we have schools that are technically sub-par, inadequate and have MUCH to improve on--still "PI"--but without the official title and the rights of the parent to seek a better education for the child.

If my neighbors want to seek a better education for their child, then GOOD FOR THEM. I support that. I believe they should be allowed to do so!! At what point in my post did I state that they don't deserve better, but I do?

I understand your opinion. If you are actually concerned with helping, I advise you to read my previous comments and tailor your response to the information I provide, not just your opinion.

 

[RubyPrynne]

I should have expected all this. You guys grew up here, this is your home and this is what you're used to. That's fine. I can't expect you to know better if this is all you've ever known.

 

[Just Blue]

I should have expected all this. You guys grew up here, this is your home and this is what you're used to. That's fine. I can't expect you to know better if this is all you've ever known.

Madam, If this is how you speak to people then no wonder they won't deal with you.

 

[RubyPrynne]

Madam, If this is how you speak to people then no wonder they won't deal with you.

I wasn't being vindictive, I was being sincere. What do you mean by that, exactly? To answer your thought, I don't normally speak to people "that way," just when some decide to share critical opinions instead of legal advice on a forum. My comment is meant to excuse these opinions with a general observation.



Let's back up here so I can clarify and try this again, because the reactions I'm getting aren't making sense to me.

I am not upset that my daughter didn't get into the school of our choosing. I am not being picky about where exactly she goes to school so long as it is not V., our home district. I am trying to be flexible by filling IDAs for surrounding districts without my heart set on only a couple of schools.

Our home district denied our IDA to B. District because being dissatisfied with below-standard education is no longer a valid reason. It WAS, however, valid up until the end of the last school year-- you may know it as Program Improvement or Title 1 schools, and parents exercised School Choice rights to transfer their child out of a poorly-performing district. That's great because it does away with testing achievement, however my problem comes with while the schools don't have the title anymore, they haven't improved their curriculum at all so they are still bad.

Hence we requested the IDA to CC District and were approved for having a valid reason: hub's location of employment. Since we didn't get into a school that that is located within the boundaries of hub's work, and her current school in a different city isn't working (please see initial post for reasons why if you need) I am back to square one.

I am upset because our home district won't release us unless we meet a board-approved policy (work, childcare, moving). I am not upset because I want to force my daughter into the school I choose. I am upset because our home district won't let us go. I am perfectly fine with any of the schools in our neighboring B. district, and was fine with CC district as well under the assumption that they would uphold the reason for approving our transfer--to be in the same city of hub's work. Since they didn't, I need to request an IDA again from V. district and am frustrated knowing that school choice is not a valid reason anymore yet the schools haven't changed.

It feels as though we're trapped. District of B. doesn't have to approve my IDA, but V. district won't even let me try to do better.

I hope that this helps explain my issue. It was too easy for me to get carried away with venting that frustration instead of making sure I was communicating clearly so I apologize.

I am open to alternative school ideas, as well as what rights we have to push through district of V.

B. district doesn't have to approve, but I would like the freedom to try.

 

[RubyPrynne]

You are fundamentally mistaken ....every child is entitled to a " free appropriate public education " and if your district provides same ...so be it...if the district next door provides more ...so be it ...either move or arrange to pay tuition to that district ..if they accept tuition paying students .

Are you saying that some public schools will accept out of district transfers if they pay tuition?

Or are you referring to private schools?

My problem is that our home district won't release us in the first place. They did for hub's work, but since she didn't get placed into the same city I am looking for reasons to be accepted into our neighboring district.

If offering tuition works differently with IDAs please tell me more.

 

[RubyPrynne]

I agree. If OP wants her little one to attend a certain school she should move into that district.

I do not want my daughter to attend a certain school. I want the freedom to enroll her in our neighboring district. Working within a certain area is one of the top reasons besides actually moving to approve an IDA, and even then she was approved for a school that was far outside residence because ALL of the elementary schools in the cities of H, P, and R were full. Even then, moving to a certain neighborhood will not guarantee her enrollment as the schools that are within a reasonable location are just "full."

Please refer to my response to another post if you care. I don't have the luxury of being able to pack up our things and just move, nor do we have the luxury of affording a residence. We are stuck for the time being in this district. That doesn't mean I am not working towards changing that, but it will be a long process and it certainly will not not provide an immediate solution to this issue. They use the terms of "transitional families," or being "doubled up."

I am not even able to waitlist my daughter into any of the schools that are within the city boundaries, or the resident school of my husband's place of work. Too many people fudge their address, I suspect, so even their own resident children don't have space. They understandably have priority to waitlist. Fine. Cool. I would like the freedom to pursue enrollment in our neighboring district instead.

 

[Shadowbunny]

I should have expected all this. You guys grew up here, this is your home and this is what you're used to. That's fine. I can't expect you to know better if this is all you've ever known.

You have ZERO idea of the backgrounds of the members of this forum, and to presume otherwise speaks volumes about you. Additionally, your "I'm not going to be forced into a caste" comment is not only ridiculous, it's offensive.

 

[cbg]

I'm just going to say this.

I don't know diddly about education laws in CA, so I won't address that part of it. But in the OP's defense, I went to elementary school in Canada, up through sixth grade. The school in the US I went to was, and still is today (a former classmate posted the link only a matter of weeks ago) one of the top school districts in the US.

In 10th grade, my French teacher gave us all an English grammar test. Never mind why - we were a control for her Master's thesis, I believe. NO ONE got an A. There was one B. The rest of the class were all C's and D's. Want to guess who had the B?

The US schools, even the good ones, are not as good as those schools in many if not most other developed countries. That's not opinion - that's fact; you can look it up.

 

[Just Blue]

I'm just going to say this.

I don't know diddly about education laws in CA, so I won't address that part of it. But in the OP's defense, I went to elementary school in Canada, up through sixth grade. The school in the US I went to was, and still is today (a former classmate posted the link only a matter of weeks ago) one of the top school districts in the US.

In 10th grade, my French teacher gave us all an English grammar test. Never mind why - we were a control for her Master's thesis, I believe. NO ONE got an A. There was one B. The rest of the class were all C's and D's. Want to guess who had the B?

The US schools, even the good ones, are not as good as those schools in many if not most other developed countries. That's not opinion - that's fact; you can look it up.

I agree ....100%. My point being OP is choosing to live here and thusly educate her child here. She has options that would allow her to get the education she wishes for her child and won't. She could get a job to help with housing in a better district but does not. Instead she p 'n' m's about a "caste system" in the U.S. I, personally, find that offensive.

 

[RubyPrynne]

I agree ....100%. My point being OP is choosing to live here and thusly educate her child here. She has options that would allow her to get the education she wishes for her child and won't. She could get a job to help with housing in a better district but does not. Instead she p 'n' m's about a "caste system" in the U.S. I, personally, find that offensive.

Please stop assuming. I did not choose to live here. I was brought here in my adolescence and had to make it work with my parents. Before you say I could do this and that, which is a suggestion that has nothing to do with the information I presented, there is quite a lot going on in my life that revolve around the "get a job to help with housing in a better district" idea. I don't know about you but I don't care to air my dirty laundry like that, nor discuss my 5-Year Plan to people who are not inclined to care anyway. It is deeper than you assume, the answers to different situations are not always black and white, and I will leave it at that. Please discuss with me what my options are.

Yes it is a caste system. If you are low income and cannot afford to move into the more expensive, better neighborhoods surrounding the acceptable schools, you are forced to remain in an impoverished community with low school standards, which focus on community safety and keeping kids in school, fixing problems instead of focusing on what they are learning. Even if you know that the education is inadequate, you can't do much about it because your home district won't let you go for those reasons. Instead your child's quality of education tanks, and most likely their overall quality of life, and it perpetuates a cycle. More educated people make smarter, more educated decisions. Of course this is not definitive, as there are other risk and protective factors at play here, and there is far more that influences the ability for people to come out of poverty then just what I said, but education and the learning community DOES have a prominent influence on that. Everyone receives "education" here for sure, but being placed in a caste becomes a reality when poor people are stuck in poor communities, don't know what resources are available to help or how to access them, being surrounded with schools that don't maintain the standard that "good" and "great" public schools do in affluent neighborhoods/districts aren't given permission to seek that "good/great" learning environment without lying through their teeth about where they live. Call it what you will or scorn it, say it's not your reality, but I am calling it a caste.

Of course buckling down with graduate schools and Ph.D programs work to get the good job that makes the money you need to finally move to that good neighborhood (or state, or country), but there are a slew of other issues that influence the ability for one to pursue this goal--and even then, that answer won't help someone who is trying to do better for their child in the more influential and impressionable school years to get out of a bad school district when it counts.



Quick to make rebuttals about my frustration, yet there's no responses to my previous posts? I apologized for any miscommunication or misinterpretation, and made multiple attempts to get on topic. This isn't a debate, I came here asking for your help, your thoughts, not to participate in a one-sided argument. However I will continue to defend my beliefs if provoked. If you don't like me or like my situation, then you don't have to post here. Nobody is forcing you to be here if you don't want to think this out with me.

 

[RubyPrynne]

You have ZERO idea of the backgrounds of the members of this forum, and to presume otherwise speaks volumes about you. Additionally, your "I'm not going to be forced into a caste" comment is not only ridiculous, it's offensive.

So I suggest you take your entitled, self-righteous attitude to an attorney and you can pay for an opinion.

Interesting how I'm accused of not understanding the background of the posters here. I don't claim to, but neither do you guys. I didn't say that to be better than anyone, I said that because if that's what you've grown up with and that is the system you are used to dealing with, it is unreasonable expecting others to see this from a different perspective than what people in the U.S. are accustomed to working with--which is also the norm. I am trying to understand and sympathize with your points of view, which is my attempt to acknowledge our different opinions despite the insults and move on with the actual question.

Thanks for suggesting an attorney. Wasn't sure what way to go about this in-person.

 

[stealth2]

Again, what a PARENT puts in to supplement their child's education can go a long way, especially in the lower grades.

No, I don't live in "the best" (nor the worst) school district, although it is quite good; and my youngest went to a very highly rated HS. However, both kids were motivated, had excellent teachers, and family motivated to supplement their educations at home.

And yes, the educational system in the US has its problems, without a doubt.

 

[not2cleverRed]

Interesting how I'm accused of not understanding the background of the posters here. I don't claim to, but neither do you guys. I didn't say that to be better than anyone, I said that because if that's what you've grown up with and that is the system you are used to dealing with, it is unreasonable expecting others to see this from a different perspective than what people in the U.S. are accustomed to working with--which is also the norm. I am trying to understand and sympathize with your points of view, which is my attempt to acknowledge our different opinions despite the insults and move on with the actual question.

Thanks for suggesting an attorney. Wasn't sure what way to go about this in-person.

When more than one person accuse you of being offensive, it's... because you are acting in a way that they find offensive.

In fact, your attitude here, if at all similar to how you are in person, might be the reason for your problems. You come across as condescending and dismissive.

Personally, I try to be careful when dealing with my school district, because it is hicksville with pretentions (not literally, because Hicksville is actually far more urban). It seems to yield better results.

You are an adult. As an adult, you get to choose where you live. There is no law forcing you to live where you are living. Surely you could qualify for emigration to Canada under the point system.

Additionally, you chose to have a child. Yes, chose. I do not know if you gave birth to her (and chose to keep her) or adopted her, but you chose to have a child.

There are consequences to these choices. One, apparently, is that you are not able to enroll your child in the school you think would be best of for her.

I don't care about your 5 year plan and its various nuances that are beyond my low level of sophistication.

 

[RubyPrynne]

Again, what a PARENT puts in to supplement their child's education can go a long way, especially in the lower grades.

No, I don't live in "the best" (nor the worst) school district, although it is quite good; and my youngest went to a very highly rated HS. However, both kids were motivated, had excellent teachers, and family motivated to supplement their educations at home.

And yes, the educational system in the US has its problems, without a doubt.

Thanks for your answer. If that's what needs to happen in the end, then I will do it.

Is there anything specific you would suggest to supplement with?

 

[cbg]

I would also like to state that just because I agree with the OP about the Canadian schools doesn't mean I don't find her just as condescending and pretentious as everyone else here.