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[fozzy2]

To paraphrase Clarence Darrow "I have been in a lot of prisons, and I have yet to meet a mute." As a general rule, it is better to not talk to investigators until you've at least discussed your situation with an attorney. Criminal investigators are NOT your friends, their job is to get you to say/admit things against your interests. You have no idea precisely what they know or even what they want. They can (and are trained to) lie. They may be investigating something tangential. And with all due respect to law enforcement morals, never underestimate the drive to put lipstick on a pig. (translation: geeze, we've wasted all this time on this investigation. We'd better find SOMETHING to charge them with... Or, to quote the Chief, "If I gotta go out in this rain SOMEBODY is getting written up." ).

Pornography that is legal for a civilian adult can be against military laws or regulations. Passing such images over any military server, terminal, etc. may be a violation right there. It can be used as evidence/justification for disciplinary action due to "work environment" complaints. If any of it was homosexual or even the slightest S&M in nature, double ditto.

Investigators are like the visitor that Emerson wrote about: "The more he talked of his honor the faster we counted our spoons." The more they talk about wanting to help you...

 

[TLWE]

Three years ago my husband was deployed to the middle east and i his wife sent adult porn via his military email, i did not know it was against rules or policy that this was a no no.

How could you not know that it was a no no? They are very clear in pre-deployment briefings to the soldiers and families that porn isn't allowed to be sent to the Middle East. If you didn't attend the family pre-deployment briefing, surely if porn is normal for you and your husband...he would have said to you..."OH, and don't send any porn!" They have been briefing on no porn to the Middle East at LEAST since the first Gulf War.

 

[Crazed98]

How could you not know that it was a no no? They are very clear in pre-deployment briefings to the soldiers and families that porn isn't allowed to be sent to the Middle East. If you didn't attend the family pre-deployment briefing, surely if porn is normal for you and your husband...he would have said to you..."OH, and don't send any porn!" They have been briefing on no porn to the Middle East at LEAST since the first Gulf War.

Not everyone recieves family pre-deployment briefs even the soldiers. I didn't have a brief about what is allowed and not allowed until I was in the middle east.

There is nothing wrong with wives sending pornographic images (besides the fact that is against military law for overseas soldiers). There is a lot of stress being deployed away from your spouse for months with limited contact via phone and emails. There is alos a lot of temtations if sending a little porn keeps from breaking up a happy couple then I don't see the harm

 

[corset]

to craze, armycop,fozzy and twlv,,
thanks for responding
we are trying to come clean, and yet they are continuing this, there were no child or animals pics,, and yet they are starting this separation procedure against my husband.
i have stated in the previous posts that in one paragraph they are stating that its child porno and than in the next saying animals and in the last paragraph they are stating that the images are unknown,, and we have the pics that they are questioning and yes we have them in a safe piece..

what happens if they finally realize that we have been telling the truth about the pics, what is the worst that can happened to my husband, he has over 20 years in the service and is a SFC
i feel sick about this, this was a horrible judgement call on my part, i only wanted to make my husband deployment a little more bearable,,

thanks guys

 

[Crazed98]

Well since the pornographic images were still illegal they could I guess charge him with an article 15. Since he is an E-7 the worst they would do beside a fine on his pay would be a reduction in rank to E-6. But since he has 20 years service he should know whta the punishment would be.

 

[TLWE]

Not everyone recieves family pre-deployment briefs even the soldiers. I didn't have a brief about what is allowed and not allowed until I was in the middle east.

There is nothing wrong with wives sending pornographic images (besides the fact that is against military law for overseas soldiers). There is a lot of stress being deployed away from your spouse for months with limited contact via phone and emails. There is alos a lot of temtations if sending a little porn keeps from breaking up a happy couple then I don't see the harm

Every single time my husband was deployed there were briefings. And yes if it is against the military regulations to send porn via e-mail to the Middle East, then it is WRONG. If they can't live without a little porn, they need therapy.

 

[corset]

thanks crazed for your reply
we havent heard back from JAG, AND according to the paper work that husband was given last thursday his command wants him gone from military service, below honorable,,,

his xo wrote that his a liablity,, this is soo sad because when hubby was stationed in qatar he was given an accomdation stating that he saved the military thousands of dollars due to his inventory control

anyway guys i will keep you in form

take care

 

[Crazed98]

Every single time my husband was deployed there were briefings. And yes if it is against the military regulations to send porn via e-mail to the Middle East, then it is WRONG. If they can't live without a little porn, they need therapy.

It depends on the unit wheather there are briefings or not. In NG and Reserve it is very different then Army especially at this time because they weren't expecting such a huge deployment from them.

You can't expect wives and families to skip a day at work to drive a few hours to go to a predeployment briefing.

And who are you to say that a soldier being away from home for a year or more shouldn't look at porn?

 

[TLWE]

And who are you to say that a soldier being away from home for a year or more shouldn't look at porn?

I didn't say I thought it was wrong for them to look at porn. I could care less what they look at. I said: And yes if it is against the military regulations to send porn via e-mail to the Middle East, then it is WRONG. If they can't live without a little porn, they need therapy.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to follow rules and regulations.

 

[corset]

hi crazed and Tlwe
mmmm a little therapy,,, im going to give away my age here i remember vietnam and during that era many GI's had pin ups of playboys in their possession.. against regulations well tlwe,, ,that a misnomer because while my husband was deployed to the middle he saw others watching porn in their rooms and yes i heard from some military wives how to send the porn via the united states postal service... yes its against military regulation to process this military,,,why?? wouldnt they want the troops to be happy and not stray from the home front...then if porn is against the regulation than perhaps the USO TOURS SHOULD BE GIVEN SOME CHARGES,, and what about the wrestlers from WWE,,, dont tell me that the guys didn't get a boner or even masturbated afterward or perhaps during the show it self.. the majority of the guys and girls serving are very young,,what im trying to get at sex is a normal part of life,,fanstasie (check spelling) enchances one's sexual life..
perhaps the services should invest in a book call what your mother told you about sex or even have briefings about johnson and johson study,,,,
i also heard that sodemy is against regulation,,, omg we are all going to jail for this sensual act,,
thanks for letting me talk about sex

take care guys

 

[TLWE]

Once again...I could care less if they watch porn or not. My point is...if you don't follow the regulations and you get caught...you have no room to complain. Saying other people do it, that sounds like something my kid would say..."Well, so-and-so does it." By the time we are adults, we are supposed to know that even if others are doing, it doesn't make it right.

And yeah...I do think it is pretty sad if a person just can not live without porn. Sometimes you just have to make on mental fantasies and your hand.

 

[corset]

hi there tlwe
we could go on and on but porn,,i do admit that it was a bad judgement call to have had sent the porn,,, however there are other things for the military to handle...


i do have a question why is it against military regulations?

thanks again

 

[TLWE]

Well, the biggest reason when overseas, is they have to also follow the laws of the country they are in. There isn't supposed to be any porn in most Middle Eastern countries. LOL, they aren't supposed to drink alcohol either, but most of the rich people there do. And they almost all smoke opium, which is really weird since they aren't supposed to drink.

My husband has been over there twice as military and is now there as a civilian. He is currently in Baghdad. Before, they stayed strict with the no pork rule. This time, they sometimes serve pork chops and the new Subway and Pizza Hut both serve pork. Go figure?!

 

[corset]

my prayers are with your husband may he continue to be safe,,
yes, opium what a nasty drug, and they smoke that stuff out in the cafe's
hey thanks for responding, be safe and safe returns to your husband
take care

 

[Armycop]

Do you have a copy of your husband's charge sheet? Or of his Article 15 hearing? If so, tell us the exact charges (or specifications it might read as well) so we can better assist you.