Mural for School Library

[quincy]

Thank you. I will change my planning accordingly and will no longer show the movie (though, for the record, it is my opinion that it is a fairly accurate representation of schizophrenia; whether it is a true depiction of John Nash's life is not for me to say).

I disagree with justalayman only in his opinion that the film "A Beautiful Mind" is not educational. I think it could educate students on schizophrenia as long as the flaws in the movie are pointed out (or as long as a license is obtained from the copyright holder to show the film ).

Here is a link to a 2002 article published in In Vivo (news from Columbia Health Sciences) about the film and its depiction of schizophrenia, written by Roberto Gil, who was at the time an assistant clinical professor of psychiatry and director of the schizophrenia research unit of the New York State Psychiatric Institute. http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/publications/in-vivo/Vol1_Iss3_feb11_02/pov.html

I certainly think that "A Beautiful Mind" has more educational value than "Frozen."

 

[justalayman]

Thank you. I will change my planning accordingly and will no longer show the movie (though, for the record, it is my opinion that it is a fairly accurate representation of schizophrenia; whether it is a true depiction of John Nash's life is not for me to say).

here is an article that speaks to the movie, the illness, the inaccuracies within the movie but especially to Nash's situation, that is very different than an average person and how those differences afforded Nash opportunities and benefits unavailable to the typical schizophrenic. Due to those differences it allows a person to conclude it is not as severely it affects a person's life and that a person with schizophrenia can live a somewhat normal life. In addition, nash was a brilliant person. That brilliance caused him to experience the illness in ways no other person can.

While I thoroughly enjoy the movie, I believe it romanticized his life to such a great extent it does little to show how the illness affects a typical person and minimizes the reality of the illness.


http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/publications/in-vivo/Vol1_Iss3_feb11_02/pov.html

 

[justalayman]

I see Quincy has found the same article I have. I feel honored he would quote the same article I have found beneficial.


Regardless, I believe the movie was simply too "Hollywood" to provide an honest look at the illness.

 

[LdiJ]

Thank you. I will change my planning accordingly and will no longer show the movie (though, for the record, it is my opinion that it is a fairly accurate representation of schizophrenia; whether it is a true depiction of John Nash's life is not for me to say).

You might ask the school system for permission to run the issue by the school system's attorney...or in the alternative, check into suppliers of movies to schools (your school will be able to provide you information on that) to see how costly it would be to get a licensed version. "A Beautiful Mind" is an old enough movie that the licensed version might not be very costly.

 

[quincy]

here is an article that speaks to the movie, the illness, the inaccuracies within the movie but especially to Nash's situation, that is very different than an average person and how those differences afforded Nash opportunities and benefits unavailable to the typical schizophrenic. Due to those differences it allows a person to conclude it is not as severely it affects a person's life and that a person with schizophrenia can live a somewhat normal life. In addition, nash was a brilliant person. That brilliance caused him to experience the illness in ways no other person can.

While I thoroughly enjoy the movie, I believe it romanticized his life to such a great extent it does little to show how the illness affects a typical person and minimizes the reality of the illness.


http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/publications/in-vivo/Vol1_Iss3_feb11_02/pov.html

We ran across the same In Vivo publication, justalayman. I provided the live link in my post above.

I agree that a lot of the ugliness in Nash's life was left out of the film.

Edit to add: I also now see that you saw what I saw.

The source of the information on John Nash, his illness and its depiction in the film is a good one.

 

[ajkroy]

You might ask the school system for permission to run the issue by the school system's attorney...or in the alternative, check into suppliers of movies to schools (your school will be able to provide you information on that) to see how costly it would be to get a licensed version. "A Beautiful Mind" is an old enough movie that the licensed version might not be very costly.

Thank you all for the responses (and I am sorry for the hijack). I run the movie from the school's library server that was set up for that sole purpose; those who show movies like "Frozen" do so with their own DVDs (which I understand the copyright issues involved with that action; I am just indicating that those movies are not preapproved by the school).

 

[quincy]

This thread has gone slightly off topic several times, ajkroy, and it is in large part due to my earlier mention of viewing films in the classroom.

Although I made mention of films as a way to illustrate a point on using copyrighted material in schools, I am afraid it also worked to divert attention away from painting murals using book characters. For that, I apologize to Clb0311.

 

[LdiJ]

Thank you all for the responses (and I am sorry for the hijack). I run the movie from the school's library server that was set up for that sole purpose; those who show movies like "Frozen" do so with their own DVDs (which I understand the copyright issues involved with that action; I am just indicating that those movies are not preapproved by the school).

Anything through your school's library server is likely legal/licensed to show.

 

[quincy]

Anything through your school's library server is likely legal/licensed to show.

More accurate would be to say that anything through your school library service is either legal/licensed to show, or is NOT legal/licensed to show, based on the intended use.

PLEASE READ THE SOURCES ALREADY PROVIDED, LdiJ, before making statements that may not be true (and that are certainly not true in all cases).

And, once again, Clb0311, sorry that your thread has been diverted from its original theme.

To get your thread back on track, here are some links to information on the rights connected to book/fictional characters and how they can, and cannot be, used by others.

From the American Bar Association, "IP and the Comic Book Superhero": http://www.americanbar.org/publications/landslide/2013-2014/march_april/ip_and_comic_book_superhero.html

From the IP Watchdog, "Comic-Con Considerations, the Right of Publicity, and Copyright Concerns": http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/07/31/comic-con-considerations-cosplay-the-right-of-publicity-and-copyright-concerns/id=60084/

From Ivan Hoffman, B.A., J.D., "The Protection of Fictional Characters": http://www.ivanhoffman.com/characters.html

From the World Intellectual Property Organization, "Managing Intellectual Property in the Book Publishing Industry": http://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/copyright/868/wipo_pub_868.pdf

I know I have provided you with several links and referred you to a lot of sources, but the information is worth reading so that you have an understanding of the laws involved in painting your mural when using characters from books.

I recommend you take advice and direction from a legal professional in your area and refer to the experts cited by link in this thread for additional information. To follow any advice offered by anyone in this thread who is guessing at what is legal under the copyright laws can get you in legal hot water.

Good luck with your mural plans.