need help - please ...

[rmet4nzkx]

I'm not seeing any explanation for why a contract does not exist for the vet bills. It is my understanding that a contract can not be established after the fact--that the OP can not enforce a contract for reimbursement of vet/medication expenses when such contract was sought after the poster obtained and paid for the vet/medication. For there to have been any contract, the seller would have had to agree to pay the expenses before the dog was ever taken to the vet and most certainly the contract would have to be in specific terms, not "I may be willing to pay X".

EC

I think OP believes she has a verbal contract because she initially/falsely lead the breeder to believe the dog got the infection while at the breeders and any consideraiton of payment was mitigated by the time elapsed between being at the breeders and onset of symptoms 1 week after arrival and after first vet visit, puppy was vaccinated for Kennel cough by the breeder, so it appears the breeder had no duty to pay just because the breeder had a puppy in a different litter that was also sick. OP is making illogical conclusions. Like I said, fiesty, Jack Russell Terrier

 

[weenor]

I'm not seeing any explanation for why a contract does not exist for the vet bills. It is my understanding that a contract can not be established after the fact--that the OP can not enforce a contract for reimbursement of vet/medication expenses when such contract was sought after the poster obtained and paid for the vet/medication. For there to have been any contract, the seller would have had to agree to pay the expenses before the dog was ever taken to the vet and most certainly the contract would have to be in specific terms, not "I may be willing to pay X".

EC

You correct a legal contract could not have formed to pay an antecedent debt. A simple promise to reimburse, even if that could be proved does not a contract make. My references were to the contract for the purchase of the puppy itself.

 

[loveumms]

Thanks for all the advice. I'm done trying to explain myself and defend my medical knowledge and my talents. I didn't try to dumb down anything ... I didn't know if everyone had medical knowledge and I know when I am talking to my patients I always try to describe things in laymans terms since some doctors walk into a patients room, talk to the patient, walk out and the patient turns to me and goes "what the heck did they just say???".

I have no idea what "outdated" medical terminology I used - I'm a third year medical student, learning all the "latest" medical terminology. Granted, I am not as fluent as an attending but, then again I'm still learning (aka the point of being in med school). Furthermore, I have had plenty of education – graduated in the top of my high school class then went on to graduate magna cum laude at a wonderful college and got into med school where I am still surviving.

I never said that docs and nurses are on the same level – I said that everyone on the patient care team is an equal. We are all there to take care of the patient and everyone serves a certain purpose.

I certainly will not “sit down and shut up”.

I don’t think I am better then anyone – I’m a human being just like everyone else. Wisdom comes with age and since I am still young, I’m sure I have a lot of wisdom to gain. When I first started med school I wanted to do geriatrics b/c I love talking with the elderly and hearing all their stories – gives me the opportunity to learn from their lives and the mistakes they made.

rmet - I'm sure if we met in life we would get along just fine and if we met at a function would probably have interesting conversation. I tend to get along with people who are very opinionated. I love defending my views and having someone that has completely different views. Always makes for fun conversation and normally I walk away with a different way to look at the topic. When people say things on the internet sometimes they come out incorrect making. Maybe I took the “gift” post wrong and thought that you were attacking my intelligence and before that it seemed that you were questioning my devotion and ability to take care of my dog.

I didn’t look up your question but am curious on how a medical student would just know the answer to it without looking it up and how this would have differentiated me from a person that wasn’t in med school. Everything we have learned about in class or on the wards has either been in our text books, journal articles, on Up to date or another medical reference. How else would I be able to answer a question?

Follow up with the breeder: we have talked and she told me that she has moved all the puppies into a different facility, disinfecting the cages/water and food bowls and sleeping quarters twice daily, had vets come out and check for a reason this is occurring and bought a new batch of vaccines. So, in the end she has made changes and is trying to make sure this doesn’t happen again. I'm not going to get anything from them but at least I know they have taken steps to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else and that makes me happy.

Wanted to add that while reading some other posts in the medical malpractice forum I noticed that ellencee is a RN - now I understand why she was so defensive about the whole nurse/doctor comment.

 

[loveumms]

You know after reading some of the posts on this website I am really glad that I didn't sue the breeder - I cannot believe some of the things people think they deserve money for.

Slipping and falling on some urine in a bathroom - something falling on their finger in WalMart - having a doctor prescribe them pain meds in a PAIN clinic. I just cannot get over some of it. It really makes me sick and I am SO glad that I didn't jump on the sue happy bandwagon.

Granted, many of you pointed flaws in my case but, come on some of this stuff is insane! People feel like they are entitled to money for the most pathetic reasons. Using their reasoning I could go through my day, every day and find something to sue someone for. Oh, so today - one of my patients coughed in my face. If that said patient got me sick then maybe I should hire a lawyer and sue them for infecting the air that I breathe. Gosh, get real.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

You know after reading some of the posts on this website I am really glad that I didn't sue the breeder - I cannot believe some of the things people think they deserve money for.

Slipping and falling on some urine in a bathroom - something falling on their finger in WalMart - having a doctor prescribe them pain meds in a PAIN clinic. I just cannot get over some of it. It really makes me sick and I am SO glad that I didn't jump on the sue happy bandwagon.

Granted, many of you pointed flaws in my case but, come on some of this stuff is insane! People feel like they are entitled to money for the most pathetic reasons. Using their reasoning I could go through my day, every day and find something to sue someone for. Oh, so today - one of my patients coughed in my face. If that said patient got me sick then maybe I should hire a lawyer and sue them for infecting the air that I breathe. Gosh, get real.

Grasshopper,
Now that you have been enlightened, answer my questions, then you will understand why I asked them and how that research will benefit you and your future patients.
Then research the word mitigation, AFTER you answer my original question.

 

[You Are Guilty]

You know after reading some of the posts on this website I am really glad that I didn't sue the breeder - I cannot believe some of the things people think they deserve money for.

Slipping and falling on some urine in a bathroom - something falling on their finger in WalMart - having a doctor prescribe them pain meds in a PAIN clinic. I just cannot get over some of it. It really makes me sick and I am SO glad that I didn't jump on the sue happy bandwagon.

Granted, many of you pointed flaws in my case but, come on some of this stuff is insane! People feel like they are entitled to money for the most pathetic reasons. Using their reasoning I could go through my day, every day and find something to sue someone for. Oh, so today - one of my patients coughed in my face. If that said patient got me sick then maybe I should hire a lawyer and sue them for infecting the air that I breathe. Gosh, get real.

Oh boy. You think it's bad here? Just wait till you get licensed and see what your malpractice insurance premiums are going to be, not to mention the suits that will be filed against you because your name appeared on a 3 year old chart somewhere.

 

[loveumms]

What is very interesting though is that many of my attendings have not been sued. They may keep it hidden but most are very open about it and the few that have had cases brought against them have won.

Whatever, the only thing that is going to come from all these idiots in the medical field suing over nothing is that those who do truly deserve a judgement are going to get next to nothing. Its really sad!

 

[rmet4nzkx]

What is very interesting though is that many of my attendings have not been sued. They may keep it hidden but most are very open about it and the few that have had cases brought against them have won.

Whatever, the only thing that is going to come from all these idiots in the medical field suing over nothing is that those who do truly deserve a judgement are going to get next to nothing. Its really sad!

Here is one where they wanted to sue because they were not given a Rx whereas in fact, they would have had a cause of action if they had been given the medication https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?t=303493 see people get one thing in their heads and it doesn't matter what the facts are, just their belief that they are entitled to sue.

 

[loveumms]

I just don't understand it - when did people in this country become so inclined to sue the second that they don't get exactly what they thought they should.

It’s absolutely crazy! I can only speak from what I know directly - we actually have a severe shortage of docs who deliver babies in our state since most are not willing to pay the extremely high malpractice. Of course at my institute the hospital pays the bill but, in the counties some of the OB-GYN's have converted to only GYN. What many don’t understand is that when there are no OB’s left to deliver babies who are they going to turn to when the delivery has complications? I can only imagine how devastating it must be to have a complication occur during the delivery of a baby and I know that I would be very upset and want to blame someone but, unfortunately we live in a world where medicine isn’t perfect and no person practicing it is either. But, I’m preaching to the choir on this one.

I often wonder why I went into medicine – many of my patients feel this sense of entitlement. They want to dictate how to receive their medical care … many of our population have not graduated from high school but, they KNOW which medicines they should be prescribed and how long they should be in the hospital. I had a patient threaten me the other day if I didn’t give him a script for X number of X pills (use your imagination to fill in the blanks). What is wrong with people?

Anyway, just had to get that off my chest! Rmet you know I had a surgical intern that always used to say “go forth young grasshopper”. Had never heard it until that point.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

I just don't understand it - when did people in this country become so inclined to sue the second that they don't get exactly what they thought they should.

It’s absolutely crazy! I can only speak from what I know directly - we actually have a severe shortage of docs who deliver babies in our state since most are not willing to pay the extremely high malpractice. Of course at my institute the hospital pays the bill but, in the counties some of the OB-GYN's have converted to only GYN. What many don’t understand is that when there are no OB’s left to deliver babies who are they going to turn to when the delivery has complications? I can only imagine how devastating it must be to have a complication occur during the delivery of a baby and I know that I would be very upset and want to blame someone but, unfortunately we live in a world where medicine isn’t perfect and no person practicing it is either. But, I’m preaching to the choir on this one.

I often wonder why I went into medicine – many of my patients feel this sense of entitlement. They want to dictate how to receive their medical care … many of our population have not graduated from high school but, they KNOW which medicines they should be prescribed and how long they should be in the hospital. I had a patient threaten me the other day if I didn’t give him a script for X number of X pills (use your imagination to fill in the blanks). What is wrong with people?

Anyway, just had to get that off my chest! Rmet you know I had a surgical intern that always used to say “go forth young grasshopper”. Had never heard it until that point.

How old were you in 1972?
Grasshopper was the young character David Carradine played (adult) in the series, Kung Fu follows the adventures of a Shaolin monk, Kwai Chang Caine "Kung Fu" , Keye Luke (as the blind Master Po) Cains mentor would say things like, "Grasshopper, you are full of questions today." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)

The OB crisis is all over the country and high risk pregnancies are on the rise, why do you think they try to get mom and child out of the hospital ASAP these days? In a large affuent county in CA, there is 1 high risk doctor for the entire county. A part of the problem is that we have so much technology and unrealistic expectations for outcomes.

I am still waiting for you to research my questions, Grasshopper.

http://www.ieway.com/~ckbales/david.html

 

[loveumms]

How old were you in 1972?
Grasshopper was the young character David Carradine played (adult) in the series, Kung Fu follows the adventures of a Shaolin monk, Kwai Chang Caine "Kung Fu" , Keye Luke (as the blind Master Po) Cains mentor would say things like, "Grasshopper, you are full of questions today." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)

The OB crisis is all over the country and high risk pregnancies are on the rise, why do you think they try to get mom and child out of the hospital ASAP these days? In a large affuent county in CA, there is 1 high risk doctor for the entire county. A part of the problem is that we have so much technology and unrealistic expectations for outcomes.

I am still waiting for you to research my questions, Grasshopper.

http://www.ieway.com/~ckbales/david.html

What questions are those?

 

[rmet4nzkx]

What questions are those?

https://forum.freeadvice.com/showthread.php?p=1273408

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I brought up the example of A1AD because in fact it is not rare at all it is one of the most common genetic diseases affecting 11-13% of the Caucasian population with at least 1 defective gene. While called Alpha 1 Antitrypsin Deficiency it is also called Alpha1-Proteinase Inhibitor, varients are at higher risk for many conditions yet are untested. In fact a member here had some unusual labs that had the doctors stumped. I suggested they get screened, and as suspected they carries a defective gene, now their doctor has something to explain the unusual labs. Also realize that att is an accute reactant which will affect labs.

Your assignment is to report back what are the other enzymes/factors (@ least 6) affected by ATT and why 3 of those will impact your future career as a dermatologist.

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