Need to know which agency threatened my son's life

[JewelAtWork]

IAAL, Thanks for the info

Hi IAAL,
I will go to google.com and check out bounty hunters. I really appreciate the lead, thank you.

Sincerely,

 

[JewelAtWork]

Hello Bill

Hi Bill:
Thank you for your response. Nothing was taken but my son's home was completely searched inside and out and, well, there were guns pointed at my son's head. My son has two daughters and does not do drugs or criminal activity. He drives a truck for a living and does not have time to get into trouble even if he were so inclinded. But, yes, my son was definitely innocent - and this is not "just a mom" writing.

Sincerely,

 

[seniorjudge]

From Taylor v.
Taintor, 16 Wall 366, 1872:

"When bail is given, the principle is regarded
as delivered to the custody of his sureties.
Their dominion is a continuance of the original
imprisonment. Whenever they choose to do
so, they may seize him and deliver him up in their
discharge, and if that cannot be done
at once, they may imprison him until it can be done.
They may exercise their rights in
person or by agent. They may pursue him into another
state; may arrest him on the Sabbath;
and if necessary, may break and enter his house for
that purpose. The seizure is not made
by virtue of new process. None is needed. It is likened
to the rearrest, by the sheriff, of an escaping prisoner."

 

[CdwJava]

If there were multiple cars - and helicopters - it was not likely bounty hunters ... they don' tuse helicopters.

And I believe the OP said the person they were seeking eventually turned himself in and was released the next day - this does not sound like someone who had just fled on bail.

There's something funny here. And if the story is completely true, then there is an outside agency that came down or pursued someone and failed to let the local agency know. Or! The watch commander in the local agency did not think to notify his/her superiors later on, so that the rest of the command staff effectively has no idea this occurred.

I frequently get asked questions like that: "What was the helicopter and all the CHP officers doing over there last night?" Unless I was working that night, I don't know. And unless it involved us, I probably wouldn't know unless I called up and asked the CHP later on.

It's very possible that another agency could have come in and done something and nobody knew ... or, the person that DID know didn't pass it on to his higher ups.



- Carl

 

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

My response:

Oh, c'mon, Carl!

Don't burst the bubble. The Bounty Hunter theory is so much more romantic, interesting and "Western"!

Yeeeee, hawwwwwwwww!

IAAL

 

[seniorjudge]

My response:

Oh, c'mon, Carl!

Don't burst the bubble. The Bounty Hunter theory is so much more romantic, interesting and "Western"!

Yeeeee, hawwwwwwwww!

IAAL

It was the black helicopters from the UN...I saw them myself take off from Area 51.

 

[panzertanker]

You know, why don't you contact the local airport/flight control tower in your area?

As far as I understand it, all flights, both airplanes and helicopters MUST file flight plans with the FAA. This might have happened with your "helicopter", and might shed light on which agency it could have been....

You never actually said, did the helicopter land in your son's neighborhood/yard???

 

[ENASNI]

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I was just trying to get berries for my shortcake.
Foooorrrgiiive meee!

 

[JewelAtWork]

Busy Sunday - thanks for all the responses

Hello Everyone:
I appreciate your input and will respond to each of you later in the week when I have more time, possibly Friday. Just to keep you updated, when I researched bounty hunters on Sunday afternoon, I came across a couple interesting websites. But the best one was the U.S. Recovery Bureau. I'm not sure if this agency is under the Dept. of Justice. If anyone is familiar with the agency, I sure would appreciate info. Anyway, I sent a brief e-mail.

On Monday morning 2/21/05 I received a telephone call from Special Agent Wilson in New Jersey. At his request, I faxed him a copy of the police report and a record of my son's numerous follow-ups with the local police and county sheriff's departments.

I find this strange that the sheriff's dept. would not allow my son to file a report. They claim the reason is sheriff's dept had nothing to do with the incident concerning my son. But what is really weird is that neither the police nor sheriff's departments would allow my son to file complaints.

By the way, the police report (filed 12/31/04) is a "Non-Investigated Report". Although my son immediately insisted that he wanted the case investigated, the watch commander told my son that the case will not be investigated and this was the only form he could use. Is this common practice?

Sincerely,

 

[abaga]

With all due respect, it appears to me you are doing more investigation in to this matter then your son is doing.

HE needs to contact the local law enforcement, the news media, and everyone else necessary, not you, his mother. I would also think it would hold a lot more weight if he does the investigating. Also, as I think someone else mentioned, contact an attorney to help with this.

 

[seniorjudge]

Hello Everyone:
I appreciate your input and will respond to each of you later in the week when I have more time, possibly Friday. Just to keep you updated, when I researched bounty hunters on Sunday afternoon, I came across a couple interesting websites. But the best one was the U.S. Recovery Bureau. I'm not sure if this agency is under the Dept. of Justice. If anyone is familiar with the agency, I sure would appreciate info. Anyway, I sent a brief e-mail.

On Monday morning 2/21/05 I received a telephone call from Special Agent Wilson in New Jersey. At his request, I faxed him a copy of the police report and a record of my son's numerous follow-ups with the local police and county sheriff's departments.

I find this strange that the sheriff's dept. would not allow my son to file a report. They claim the reason is sheriff's dept had nothing to do with the incident concerning my son. But what is really weird is that neither the police nor sheriff's departments would allow my son to file complaints.

By the way, the police report (filed 12/31/04) is a "Non-Investigated Report". Although my son immediately insisted that he wanted the case investigated, the watch commander told my son that the case will not be investigated and this was the only form he could use. Is this common practice?

Sincerely,

Do you have ANY evidence (circumstantial or eyewitness) that this event took place (i.e., any evidence other than your son's statements)?

If so, what is it?

If something like this would've happened in my neck of the woods, it would've been the main source of gossip for centuries.

 

[JewelAtWork]

Hello Pansetanker and Everyone

Thank you for the suggestion to check out local airport. I called the municipal airport and was referred to Public Works Dept. Public Works transferred call to city police dept. I spoke with a dispatcher and provided police report case number. The dispatcher said the near-by County Sheriff's substation came into my city and asked for local police back-up. Dispatcher said our calls were not returned by police because the incident was not their (local p.d.) call - they only assisted. This probably explains why the p.d. initially told my son this case will absolutely not be investigated.

My family has believed from the beginning that local police and county sheriff's are both involved. However, both agencies deny any involvement and both agencies refuse to let my son file a complaint.

PANSETANER, The U.S. Recovery Bureau is helping us and has been trying to track down the helicopter information, too. So far, progress seems to be slow. By the way, the helicopter did not land near my son's home.

The U.s. Recovery Bureau is a private company in New Jersey. The reason they are helping is because the company specializes in tracking down "bad guys" so to speak. The company trains bounty hunters and wants a great reputation. They have contacts with governmental agencies which, I believe, will ultimately help discover the truth.

 

[JewelAtWork]

Hello ABAGA and Everyone

I believe you are right about contacting an attorney. Eventually, we probably will hire an attorney. Before that point, I want to have as many facts as possible by utilizing assistance from sources and agencies to clarify and prove what happened.

Just the fact that the police and sheriff's depts. refuse to let my son file a complaint seems so fishy, but that both depts. deny any involvement is tremendously suspicious to me. A simple apology that horrible night would have been sufficient - we are not sue-happy people. But, I am not afraid to fight for the truth.

I appreciate your input about my son doing the investigating. I help my son because I want to and I am able. It is a privilege to be a parent.

My son worked in Utah and Nevada last week. He's on the road because he is a truck driver. My son took three days off work (without pay) to personally go to the police dept. and county sheriff's dept. and was told he could not file complaints.

Why should I not save my son time, energy, and stress, especially when I want to help, am capable, and doesn't even cost me anything? My son works very hard and deserves the help. Not that this is my motive, but perhaps my son will do me a favor someday when I am in need. I believe family ties are important.

ABAGA, regardless of our differences of opinions, I firmly believe that my son would hit the same dead-ends as I hit because the police and sheriffs depts. are both lying - there is a cover-up. If I thought my son could be more effective, he could probably make some of the calls himself on his cell from the truck. However, when we are being told lies, we have to work to uncover the truth. I have time and energy and want the truth to be revealed.

ABAGA, if you have more input, I would like to hear from you. I am open to suggestions.

 

[JewelAtWork]

Hello SeniorJudge and Everyone

In response to your questions, SeniorJudge, my son's neighbor contacted my son the following day - on Christmas. She said the person being pursued was at her house and she turned him in because she did not want any trouble.

When my son and I met with the city manager and assistant chief of police, assistant chief told us that he heard my son's home address announced over his radio while he was on the way to Church Christmas Eve, the night of the event.

The U.S. Recovery Bureau (private company with connections) tried this week to find out about the helicopter. The work will continue next week. I keep hitting deadends and swerves in the road, too. I did not learn anything specific about a helicopter in the area on 12/24/04 either. The only thing my son knows is that the helicopter was not marked.

I know what you mean about gossip for centuries if anything like this were to happen in your neck of the woods. We live in a relatively small city, very well established traditional, cultural, historical. I don't know if this would be tolerated if more people knew about the incident in our city.

However, the connection with County Sheriff's department sub station in a neighboring area is a complication to this story. Sheriff's department does not have a good reputation.

 

[JewelAtWork]

Question

Are federal laws in place to ensure that citizens can file reports and complaints with law enforcement agencies? It just seems strange that my son was denied the opportunities.