Reconveyance

[MrsK]

Hey, woman....

You should really get it in your head that the support is basically NOT going to be reduced no matter what.

 

[Lisabyday]

And don't act like you wouldn't care at all where the money came from because that is bull. If your ex came up with 150k all of the sudden I am sure you would want to know how too.

If my ex is current on his child support payment obligations I could give a rat's a** if he came up with a million bucks. But again, I am not one of those who run to have child support increased when I learn of my ex's pay raises. But that is just me.

For every answer that the posters have given you, you have an alternate answer - if you already know it all why are you still here?

 

[424Smudge]

For every answer that the posters have given you, you have an alternate answer - if you already know it all why are you still here?

The sole purpose of this isn't to get the child support lowered. He wants to know what his rights are to asking the court for her to provide the source of her income. If she claims no income then where did this come from. YES, we do realize that there is a small potential that this came from her husband but based on what we know about them that is unlikely. YES, we also realize that this could be from a family member but once again unlikely... possible but unlikely given the amount of the money. The child support is a factor here but it is not the primary reason why he wants to know. A lot of it has to do with mom badmouthing dad to the kids on matters of finances and how he is a dirtbag because he works a blue collar job and other items such as parental alienation. This is just one thing of dozens that he is wanting to bring up in court. We could care less if the CS is reduced or not, he just wants to know how he can find out how she came up with 150k in a matter of 2 years and in all honesty it isn't like she has saved up for it over the course of 2 years, the only way she could have paid this is by a lump sum payment because according to her she doesn't work and in all truthfullness I believe her.

 

[MrsK]

The sole purpose of this isn't to get the child support lowered. He wants to know what his rights are to asking the court for her to provide the source of her income. If she claims no income then where did this come from. YES, we do realize that there is a small potential that this came from her husband but based on what we know about them that is unlikely. YES, we also realize that this could be from a family member but once again unlikely... possible but unlikely given the amount of the money. The child support is a factor here but it is not the primary reason why he wants to know. A lot of it has to do with mom badmouthing dad to the kids on matters of finances and how he is a dirtbag because he works a blue collar job and other items such as parental alienation. This is just one thing of dozens that he is wanting to bring up in court. We could care less if the CS is reduced or not, he just wants to know how he can find out how she came up with 150k in a matter of 2 years.

Yeah, right.

"The Az child support guidelines state that gifts can be considered part of your income but it depends on the size and what not. If it was an inheratence and it was used to pay off a loan in her name can it be considered income. My husband pays 900 a month in CS and it would be nice to be able to prove that he is paying more than he should."

Good try. This is all about how you and your husband (two greedy, not to mention nosey, people) can get his support lowered b/c they ex found a way to pay off their house in 2 years & you are angry that they are "living it up" and ya'll are paying "too much" ($900 a month for 2 kids is NOT that much, some people pay a LOT more than that.)

 

[424Smudge]

Yeah, right.

"The Az child support guidelines state that gifts can be considered part of your income but it depends on the size and what not. If it was an inheratence and it was used to pay off a loan in her name can it be considered income. My husband pays 900 a month in CS and it would be nice to be able to prove that he is paying more than he should."

Good try. This is all about how you and your husband (two greedy, not to mention nosey, people) can get his support lowered b/c they ex found a way to pay off their house in 2 years & you are angry that they are "living it up" and ya'll are paying "too much" ($900 a month for 2 kids is NOT that much, some people pay a LOT more than that.)

Hun, I have more valid reasons to lower the child support than her paying off her house, like the fact that she has a college education and refuses to work. The CS could have been lowered over 5 years ago and we haven't done it because it is for the kids.

"My husband pays 900 a month in CS and it would be nice to be able to prove that he is paying more than he should." SO THAT WE CAN KNOW FOR FUTURE REFERENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT HE CAN NO LONGER PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. He will always pay child support, he is disabled and in arrears from his accident, I know that it cannot go away nore do we want it to because WE AREN'T GREEDY. Perhaps you should read my other posts before you become judgemental on me and see the problems that we have with this lady. If in the future something happens where we have to invest some money into protecting the children we would like to know what our options are. Why don't you get you head out of the deadbeat dad mentality for 2 minutes and realize that there are some people out there that support the fact that both parents should support a child. You wanna get judgemental? How about her and how she refuses to buy the kids gifts because she says that she is too poor, or how about how she refuses to send the kids to school with lunch and then tells my husband "If you want the kids to not starve then you had better send the kids more money". This isn't and never was about us trying to be greedy, this is about us protecting the children and ourselves and part of that includes our assets. If he is paying more than he should then we would like to know, that doesn't mean that we are going to try to lower the child support, it just means that we would like the option if in the event that we need to. The whole reason we haven't is because she has made threats against my husband about things she will do to the kids if he tries to lower it. he is even paying 300 a month more than he should because she threatened him. Once we get everything together it would be nice to know things such as this so that we can be protected.

 

[stealth2]

First post of this thread, you said:

It could have been an inheratence. His family is well off and someone could have died and given them that money.

And then you say.....

YES, we do realize that there is a small potential that this came from her husband but based on what we know about them that is unlikely. YES, we also realize that this could be from a family member but once again unlikely... possible but unlikely given the amount of the money.

So WHICH is it? Honestly? The court is unlikely to be overly impressed that Dad is bitching that Mom has managed to pay off the house their kids live in. If we were talking about a $2.5 million, the court's ears might perk up. $150k? Puhlease. That's chicken feed.

 

[NotSoNew]

geez what is WITH you people????? if BM somehow came up with 152K in our case when she is UNEMPLOYED and claiming POVERTY i would sure as hell be finding out where that income was coming from. why is it ok for the CP to hide income (if that is what they are doing) when if the NCP were doing it, OOHHHH watch out! she is just trying to figure out where CPS income is coming from and you all are calling her greedy, shes/they are not being greedy just trying to make sure the system is working FAIRLY.

 

[weenor]

The sole purpose of this isn't to get the child support lowered. He wants to know what his rights are to asking the court for her to provide the source of her income. If she claims no income then where did this come from. YES, we do realize that there is a small potential that this came from her husband but based on what we know about them that is unlikely. YES, we also realize that this could be from a family member but once again unlikely... possible but unlikely given the amount of the money. The child support is a factor here but it is not the primary reason why he wants to know. A lot of it has to do with mom badmouthing dad to the kids on matters of finances and how he is a dirtbag because he works a blue collar job and other items such as parental alienation. This is just one thing of dozens that he is wanting to bring up in court. We could care less if the CS is reduced or not, he just wants to know how he can find out how she came up with 150k in a matter of 2 years and in all honesty it isn't like she has saved up for it over the course of 2 years, the only way she could have paid this is by a lump sum payment because according to her she doesn't work and in all truthfullness I believe her.

Its really none of his business, but if you insist...we are back to the surveillance again.

 

[MrsK]

Hun, I have more valid reasons to lower the child support than her paying off her house, like the fact that she has a college education and refuses to work. The CS could have been lowered over 5 years ago and we haven't done it because it is for the kids.

"My husband pays 900 a month in CS and it would be nice to be able to prove that he is paying more than he should." SO THAT WE CAN KNOW FOR FUTURE REFERENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT HE CAN NO LONGER PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. He will always pay child support, he is disabled and in arrears from his accident, I know that it cannot go away nore do we want it to because WE AREN'T GREEDY. Perhaps you should read my other posts before you become judgemental on me and see the problems that we have with this lady. If in the future something happens where we have to invest some money into protecting the children we would like to know what our options are. Why don't you get you head out of the deadbeat dad mentality for 2 minutes and realize that there are some people out there that support the fact that both parents should support a child. You wanna get judgemental? How about her and how she refuses to buy the kids gifts because she says that she is too poor, or how about how she refuses to send the kids to school with lunch and then tells my husband "If you want the kids to not starve then you had better send the kids more money". This isn't and never was about us trying to be greedy, this is about us protecting the children and ourselves and part of that includes our assets. If he is paying more than he should then we would like to know, that doesn't mean that we are going to try to lower the child support, it just means that we would like the option if in the event that we need to. The whole reason we haven't is because she has made threats against my husband about things she will do to the kids if he tries to lower it. he is even paying 300 a month more than he should because she threatened him. Once we get everything together it would be nice to know things such as this so that we can be protected.

Not buying it.

Listen you are preaching to the choir. I am married to an NCP & I have 2 kids with my ex. My SD's mom refuses to help support her & uses the c/s money on herself, refuses to buy her SHOES sometimes.

I still you are out to get it lowered & judges really dont like to do that except for valid reasons & I dont think you've got one.

 

[AHA]

Hun, I have more valid reasons to lower the child support than her paying off her house, like the fact that she has a college education and refuses to work. The CS could have been lowered over 5 years ago and we haven't done it because it is for the kids.

"My husband pays 900 a month in CS and it would be nice to be able to prove that he is paying more than he should." SO THAT WE CAN KNOW FOR FUTURE REFERENCE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT HE CAN NO LONGER PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT. He will always pay child support, he is disabled and in arrears from his accident, I know that it cannot go away nore do we want it to because WE AREN'T GREEDY. Perhaps you should read my other posts before you become judgemental on me and see the problems that we have with this lady. If in the future something happens where we have to invest some money into protecting the children we would like to know what our options are. Why don't you get you head out of the deadbeat dad mentality for 2 minutes and realize that there are some people out there that support the fact that both parents should support a child. You wanna get judgemental? How about her and how she refuses to buy the kids gifts because she says that she is too poor, or how about how she refuses to send the kids to school with lunch and then tells my husband "If you want the kids to not starve then you had better send the kids more money". This isn't and never was about us trying to be greedy, this is about us protecting the children and ourselves and part of that includes our assets. If he is paying more than he should then we would like to know, that doesn't mean that we are going to try to lower the child support, it just means that we would like the option if in the event that we need to. The whole reason we haven't is because she has made threats against my husband about things she will do to the kids if he tries to lower it. he is even paying 300 a month more than he should because she threatened him. Once we get everything together it would be nice to know things such as this so that we can be protected.

Him paying $300 more a month than he is court ordered to, is entirely HIS choice.
If mom is making threats about "doing things to the kids" and letting them starve, why is dad not going to court to fight for custody instead of letting them remain with a possible dangerous parent??

 

[Lisabyday]

geez what is WITH you people????? if BM somehow came up with 152K in our case when she is UNEMPLOYED and claiming POVERTY i would sure as hell be finding out where that income was coming from. why is it ok for the CP to hide income (if that is what they are doing) when if the NCP were doing it, OOHHHH watch out! she is just trying to figure out where CPS income is coming from and you all are calling her greedy, shes/they are not being greedy just trying to make sure the system is working FAIRLY.

I don't think there is anything wrong with US people (but I have been "wrong" before). There are conflicting stories regarding the new husband who may or may not be well-off (it depends on which post you choose to believe).

Posters have given her a couple of options, survellience and court. That should have done the trick. But noooooooooooooooooooo, the OP continues to try and explain herself in a manner that is hard to comprehend that the real concern is not with lowering the child support rather the concern is with protecting the children as she stated. How? I can't make the connection between knowing where the money came from and protecting the children.

The more important question here for me is if the NCP is aware that the CP is mistreating and neglecting the children seems to me that the focus would be on protecting the children (which i consider a most valuable asset) rather than worrying about the CP got the money to pay off her house. Again, I could be wrong.

 

[424Smudge]

Not buying it.

Listen you are preaching to the choir. I am married to an NCP & I have 2 kids with my ex. My SD's mom refuses to help support her & uses the c/s money on herself, refuses to buy her SHOES sometimes.

I still you are out to get it lowered & judges really dont like to do that except for valid reasons & I dont think you've got one.

I guess you are entitled to your opinion pointless as it is. And we have valid reason, as I stated before, to lower the CS even without this. It isn't about the CS right now it is about keeping our options open and finding out all we need to to help us out in court.

 

[424Smudge]

Him paying $300 more a month than he is court ordered to, is entirely HIS choice.
If mom is making threats about "doing things to the kids" and letting them starve, why is dad not going to court to fight for custody instead of letting them remain with a possible dangerous parent??

He has time and time again, it is all heresay and the kids are too scared to admit to it in mediation.

 

[424Smudge]

I don't think there is anything wrong with US people (but I have been "wrong" before). There are conflicting stories regarding the new husband who may or may not be well-off (it depends on which post you choose to believe).

Posters have given her a couple of options, survellience and court. That should have done the trick. But noooooooooooooooooooo, the OP continues to try and explain herself in a manner that is hard to comprehend that the real concern is not with lowering the child support rather the concern is with protecting the children as she stated. How? I can't make the connection between knowing where the money came from and protecting the children.

The more important question here for me is if the NCP is aware that the CP is mistreating and neglecting the children seems to me that the focus would be on protecting the children (which i consider a most valuable asset) rather than worrying about the CP got the money to pay off her house. Again, I could be wrong.

The new husband is NOT well off, his family is. I am not trying to explain myself, the answers I received were sufficient and I have already brought them up with my husband and we are thinking of the best way to persue it based on the suggestions given here. I was only defending myself against a poster who thought that the only reason that a person would want to find out someones income is because they are greedy. That is rude and most definitly not the case here. Thank you to the posters that were NOT judgemental and actually offered advice given the info that I provided. WE are already taking what measures we can to protect the children but we are coming into situations where we might have to being in some specialists and that of course costs money. Though we are not going to change the CS right now it is nice to be able to keep his options open in regards to money. If we know that we have a clear case based on the abuse and that without a doubt we can win with the specialist then we might consider lowering the CS in order to help come up with the money for the specialist and filing the emergency paperwork.

 

[tigger22472]

The sole purpose of this isn't to get the child support lowered. He wants to know what his rights are to asking the court for her to provide the source of her income.

And the ONLY reason you would have the right to know what her income was would be for a support modification. Does it hurt to talk out of both sides of your mouth?

You and he have been here for what? 2 years now between this and other ID's and have done nothing about nothing but come here and come up with all these reasons why this or that SHOULD be done but have done nothing to make those things happen.