Reconveyance

[tigger22472]

if BM somehow came up with 152K in our case when she is UNEMPLOYED and claiming POVERTY i would sure as hell be finding out where that income was coming from.

This poster has never in all the posts that I have seen from them ever claimed that the mom was claiming poverty in any way shape or form.

They are ticked he pays so much support and mom and her new husband is doing well and need to get over it.

My husband is disabled and can LEGALLY take his ex to court for child support. He makes 20k... she makes 80k and they have 50/50. A judge has told him that he can file and he will grant it. Even at 50/50 she would be paying over 80$ a week in support for one child that she has 50% of the time. He doesn't do it and we don't bitch about how much mom has. She buys her kids ...

As AHA said, if he's paying more than he should be or has to, that's HIS problem.

I personally think the whole checking into public records is going pretty low and cheap myself.

 

[424Smudge]

And the ONLY reason you would have the right to know what her income was would be for a support modification. Does it hurt to talk out of both sides of your mouth?

You and he have been here for what? 2 years now between this and other ID's and have done nothing about nothing but come here and come up with all these reasons why this or that SHOULD be done but have done nothing to make those things happen.

There are plenty of other reasons...
- medical procedures that are needed but mom refuses to pay for because she claims that she doesn't make enough
- child care
- school and the money involved there
- his income

Who cares anymore anyways? I got the answers I needed. This is the only ID that I have used here but I have posted on other law forums under this name as well. He will ask for her income tax returns, according to the paperwork we have we are allowed to ask for it and she has to provide it. If she has an income that is taxable then it will show up in there, if it isn't there then I don't care about it anymore.

 

[424Smudge]

As AHA said, if he's paying more than he should be or has to, that's HIS problem.

Jesus people IT ISN'T ABOUT HIS CHILD SUPPORT. We know he is paying more, it is not big freicken deal. Sorry I asked this questing in a law forum with a bunch of people that think that everyone out there is just after the money. Don't you realize that if he lowers it like he is legally allowed to it will only hurt the kids in the long run? It is the kids that he is concerned about here and it is THEM that he is mainly protecting here. He would rather pay more than the kids suffer. We were just wondering what our options were, we like to keep them open. Does that make us greedy? Stupid if you ask me.

The original question was: "What do we do if my husbands ex wife just paid off a 153,000 dollar house in 2 years when she claims that she has no income?" The answer was we can't do anything. Thank you for your input it was appreciated.

 

[Lisabyday]

If we know that we have a clear case based on the abuse and that without a doubt we can win with the specialist then we might consider lowering the CS in order to help come up with the money for the specialist and filing the emergency paperwork.

I am not trying to judge your or your husband's actions; however, this response makes it hard not to. You and your husband (according to you) think there is abuse, But you talk about a "clear case based on the abuse" I wouldn't give a darn about "clear case". If the children are credible and you know that these kids are being abused then why in the world does it take a "clear case" before the authorites are notified. If the kids won't admit it in a mediation at least the red flags have been raised. The one thing about abuse is that it cannot be hidden forever.

In that same sentence you go on to say "... and that without a doubt we can win with the specialist then we might consider lowering CS... ." WTF! Are you not understanding what you have written? Forget the damn child support, forget where the money came from, forget all that crap that doesn't matter....the kids are being ABUSED (if it is a lie then it is a lie you have told).

I cannot believe that every effort is not being made on your husband's part to protect his kids from an abusive situation. If the kids are being abused what difference does it make that he pays more child support than what he is supposed to pay. Do you really think that an abuser will stop abusing because they get more money. Damn.

 

[424Smudge]

And before you think that going and looking at the public records she hacks into my email accounts, eBay accounts, stole my credit card info, stalks me online ect. They are called public records for a reason ya know... so the public can look at them. I pulled up the records in the process of pulling up his case info.

 

[424Smudge]

I cannot believe that every effort is not being made on your husband's part to protect his kids from an abusive situation. If the kids are being abused what difference does it make that he pays more child support than what he is supposed to pay. Do you really think that an abuser will stop abusing because they get more money. Damn.

We have gone into court with pictures of the bruises, they don't care, it was all thrown out on heresay. PICTURES!! You can't get much more proof than that. Of huge bruises on their legs and backs. We have called CPS, filed police reports, had the kids taken to a mediator assigned by the court, been to court roughly 27 times in the past 4 years. Don't you think we try? We practically drive ourselves insane trying. And before you start thinking that she has something on my husband she doesn't. He pays his cs, he takes care of the kids in so many ways. The children even said in mediation that theywanted to live with him. Noone cares, now we are pushed to take some drastic measures that could in the long run cost us money that we do not have. We are trying everything we can but it has been hopeless thus far. I am just exploring options here.

 

[Lisabyday]

We have gone into court with pictures of the bruises, they don't care, it was all thrown out on heresay. PICTURES!! You can't get much more proof than that. Of huge bruises on their legs and backs. We have called CPS, filed police reports, had the kids taken to a mediator assigned by the court, been to court roughly 27 times in the past 4 years. Don't you think we try? We practically drive ourselves insane trying. And before you start thinking that she has something on my husband she doesn't. He pays his cs, he takes care of the kids in so many ways. The children even said in mediation that theywanted to live with him. Noone cares, now we are pushed to take some drastic measures that could in the long run cost us money that we do not have. We are trying everything we can but it has been hopeless thus far. I am just exploring options here.

Unfreaking believable. If what you say is true, have you contacted any child advocacy groups in your state?

 

[424Smudge]

OUR ACTUAL MINUTE ENTRY


1. The wishes of the child_s parents or parent as to custody.
THE COURT FINDS that both parents desire to be the primary custodial parent and to have the children live with them for the full year.
2. The wishes of the children as to the custodian.
THE COURT FINDS that there was no evidence elicited regarding the children_s
wishes. Bull because the kids said in the mediators recomendation to the court that the kids stated they wanted to be with dad
3. The interaction and interrelationship of the child with the child_s parents or
parent, the child_s siblings and any other person who may significantly affect the child_s best interest.
THE COURT FINDS that both parents love their children; there is evidence that the minor son, XXXXXX, has expressed strong negative feelings about his father.bull once again, mom just said it in court and somehow without any proof it was added into the minute entry Furthermore,
THE COURT FINDS that the two siblings XXXXXXXX and XXXX have formed a bond with their half-sister, XXXXX XXXXXX. What about their half sister (my husbands other child)? Does anyone care about their bond with her?
4. The child_s adjustment to home, school and community.
THE COURT FINDS the evidence supports the findings that the children are able to function and make reasonable progress in school.
5. The mental and physical health of all individuals involved.
THE COURT FINDS that the minor child, XXXXXXXX, has been in counseling to deal with some emotional issues. Mother took the initiative to recognize the problem and to contact the counselor and take the child for therapeutic intervention with the counselor. AFTER DAD SUBPOENAED THE COURT TO ORDER HER TO TAKE HIM!!!
6. Which parent is more likely to allow the child frequent and meaningful continuing contact with the other parent.
THE COURT FINDS that Mother has made some effort and shows greater understanding of the need for continued involvement of the other parent
and that Mother appears more likely to promote continuing contact. HA HA HA HA YEAH SURE SHE IS
7. Which parent, if any, has provided primary care of the child.
THE COURT FINDS that Mother has been the primary caregiver and has been primarily responsible for the children_s well-being on a day-to-day basis since birth. WRONG, dad took the kids to the doctor, participated in school and even though they shared joint custody at this time the kids were with dad for the better part of the year.
8. The nature and extent of coercion or duress used by a parent in obtaining an agreement regarding custody.
THE COURT FINDS that there is no duress or coercion.
9. Whether a parent has complied with Chapter 3, Article 5 of this Title.
THE COURT FINDS that the parties did attempt mediation and did meet with
Conciliation Services but that the parties were unable to resolve there differences.

 

[Ohiogal]

We have gone into court with pictures of the bruises, they don't care, it was all thrown out on heresay. PICTURES!! You can't get much more proof than that. Of huge bruises on their legs and backs. We have called CPS, filed police reports, had the kids taken to a mediator assigned by the court, been to court roughly 27 times in the past 4 years. Don't you think we try? We practically drive ourselves insane trying. And before you start thinking that she has something on my husband she doesn't. He pays his cs, he takes care of the kids in so many ways. The children even said in mediation that theywanted to live with him. Noone cares, now we are pushed to take some drastic measures that could in the long run cost us money that we do not have. We are trying everything we can but it has been hopeless thus far. I am just exploring options here.

Actually you can get better proof than pictures. The pictures dont say who put them there, how they were put there, what caused them. Kids get hurt. They get bruises. if they are in sports they get even more bruises. You narrating the pictures by saying, The kids say mom... or he told us...
Plain and simple that is hearsay.

 

[Ohiogal]

OUR ACTUAL MINUTE ENTRY


1. The wishes of the child_s parents or parent as to custody.
THE COURT FINDS that both parents desire to be the primary custodial parent and to have the children live with them for the full year.
2. The wishes of the children as to the custodian.
THE COURT FINDS that there was no evidence elicited regarding the children_s
wishes. Bull because the kids said in the mediators recomendation to the court that the kids stated they wanted to be with dad


What is said in mediation is not binding nor can it be used in court as evidence. It is considered negotiation and negotiation is not allowed to be used as evidence.

3. The interaction and interrelationship of the child with the child_s parents or
parent, the child_s siblings and any other person who may significantly affect the child_s best interest.
THE COURT FINDS that both parents love their children; there is evidence that the minor son, XXXXXX, has expressed strong negative feelings about his father.bull once again, mom just said it in court and somehow without any proof it was added into the minute entry Furthermore,
THE COURT FINDS that the two siblings XXXXXXXX and XXXX have formed a bond with their half-sister, XXXXX XXXXXX. What about their half sister (my husbands other child)? Does anyone care about their bond with her?

What was presented regarding these siblings? Was their a GAL report done?


4. The child_s adjustment to home, school and community.
THE COURT FINDS the evidence supports the findings that the children are able to function and make reasonable progress in school.
5. The mental and physical health of all individuals involved.
THE COURT FINDS that the minor child, XXXXXXXX, has been in counseling to deal with some emotional issues. Mother took the initiative to recognize the problem and to contact the counselor and take the child for therapeutic intervention with the counselor. AFTER DAD SUBPOENAED THE COURT TO ORDER HER TO TAKE HIM!!!

But mom still took him. Maybe dad should have made an appointment and taken the child during his time with the kids. Did the court actually make an order to mom to take the child? And Dad could not have subpoenaed the court -- he may have petitioned the court for an order to take the child. Or motioned the court.

6. Which parent is more likely to allow the child frequent and meaningful continuing contact with the other parent.
THE COURT FINDS that Mother has made some effort and shows greater understanding of the need for continued involvement of the other parent
and that Mother appears more likely to promote continuing contact. HA HA HA HA YEAH SURE SHE IS
7. Which parent, if any, has provided primary care of the child.
THE COURT FINDS that Mother has been the primary caregiver and has been primarily responsible for the children_s well-being on a day-to-day basis since birth. WRONG, dad took the kids to the doctor, participated in school and even though they shared joint custody at this time the kids were with dad for the better part of the year.

For the better part of this year? How about since birth -- who has provided more of the day to day functions?

8. The nature and extent of coercion or duress used by a parent in obtaining an agreement regarding custody.
THE COURT FINDS that there is no duress or coercion.
9. Whether a parent has complied with Chapter 3, Article 5 of this Title.
THE COURT FINDS that the parties did attempt mediation and did meet with
Conciliation Services but that the parties were unable to resolve there differences.

See above for questions and comments. .

 

[AHA]

Jesus people IT ISN'T ABOUT HIS CHILD SUPPORT. We know he is paying more, it is not big freicken deal. Sorry I asked this questing in a law forum with a bunch of people that think that everyone out there is just after the money. Don't you realize that if he lowers it like he is legally allowed to it will only hurt the kids in the long run? It is the kids that he is concerned about here and it is THEM that he is mainly protecting here. He would rather pay more than the kids suffer. We were just wondering what our options were, we like to keep them open. Does that make us greedy? Stupid if you ask me.

The original question was: "What do we do if my husbands ex wife just paid off a 153,000 dollar house in 2 years when she claims that she has no income?" The answer was we can't do anything. Thank you for your input it was appreciated.

It's been about money and the cs since your first post, so no one is fooled here.
BTW, can't you leave the digging for dirt on hubby's ex for HIM to find? How would you like it if his ex's new man started tracking your every move and demand to know where every penny you bring home comes from?
Leave this situation to be resolved by the two parents involved (hubby and his ex).

 

[tigger22472]

How would you like it if his ex's new man started tracking your every move and demand to know where every penny you bring home comes from?

Oh please.... They have nothing to hide!!

 

[424Smudge]

What is said in mediation is not binding nor can it be used in court as evidence. It is considered negotiation and negotiation is not allowed to be used as evidence.

I realize that but this was a mediator that the judge ordered the children to see and then he submitted his findings to the court.

What was presented regarding these siblings? Was their a GAL report done?

All that was presented was this sentence that mom gave to the court "the kids are close to their half brother" Dad brought up the other child as well and even had her listed as a witness of the abuse if the court wanted to talk to her.

But mom still took him. Maybe dad should have made an appointment and taken the child during his time with the kids. Did the court actually make an order to mom to take the child? And Dad could not have subpoenaed the court -- he may have petitioned the court for an order to take the child. Or motioned the court.

He asked for permission to take them himself but the court wimply ordered mom to take them. Her argument that she didn't want the kids to go was that she didn't find it necessary.

For the better part of this year? How about since birth -- who has provided more of the day to day functions?

Dad, everything, from taking care of the kids while they were younger (they were in day care while he was at work, he is ex military, and then her would come home and care for them when mom left. Mom refused to take care of them during the day when she was home. She told him that she could not handle all of the stress. All the way to right before she wone sole custody. Dad told the court (as well as provided the day care receipts) this and mom said it was a lie and that she took care of the kids and that they only saw the day care provider because she went to school at night and slept during the day but she only had class until 9 at night.

The problem that we ran into was that mom lied in court and once the ruling was entered you cannot do anything for a year.

 

[424Smudge]

It's been about money and the cs since your first post, so no one is fooled here.

I guess there isn't really any need on my part to bother with you anymore.

BTW, can't you leave the digging for dirt on hubby's ex for HIM to find?

Yes I can, he usually does, I was printing up some court documents for a response to a motion that they recently filed and looked at her counties website to see if she had filed anything there because it doesn't make snece to me why she keeps filing in Maricopa when she has lived in Pima county for 2 years and dad lives in IL.

How would you like it if his ex's new man started tracking your every move and demand to know where every penny you bring home comes from?

Well I wouldn't care about him looking into either of us (even though I am sure he does), we have nothing to hide. Besides we are adopting and I already have an adoption agency digging through both of our pasts and trust me they are flawless. We submitted copies of our tax returns that she where all of our money comes from.

 

[AHA]

I guess there isn't really any need on my part to bother with you anymore.

And yet you can't get enough

Yes I can, he usually does, I was printing up some court documents for a response to a motion that they recently filed and looked at her counties website to see if she had filed anything there because it doesn't make snece to me why she keeps filing in Maricopa when she has lived in Pima county for 2 years and dad lives in IL.



Well I wouldn't care about him looking into either of us (even though I am sure he does), we have nothing to hide. Besides we are adopting and I already have an adoption agency digging through both of our pasts and trust me they are flawless. We submitted copies of our tax returns that she where all of our money comes from.

You can't be that flawless since mommy (by your own words, not a very good parent) was awarded custody, so**************..