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school is giving condoms to my 11 year olds!!

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justalayman

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Greater emphasis on moral behavior would probably be far more effective.
Carl, if all parents were like you, I do not think there would be a need to discuss sex education and condoms at school. The problem is; not all parents are like you. Due to that, I believe the presentation of condoms is better than the alternative.
 


CdwJava

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Sex between two 16 year olds is (likely) not a criminal issue.
In my state it is.

Children should be aware of safe sex. Just like they should be aware of drug awareness. Would you NOT allow your child to be in a "Just Say No" seminar??
They have sex education in school. Education does not mean passing out condoms or giving classes on how to put them on.

we had an incident a couple years back where a teacher demonstrated to grade school students how to safely apply a condom using a vegetable. Highly inappropriate to me, apparently not so bad according to the state which has proposed sex education early even in grade school.
 

CdwJava

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Carl, if all parents were like you, I do not think there would be a need to discuss sex education and condoms at school. The problem is; not all parents are like you. Due to that, I believe the presentation of condoms is better than the alternative.
Talk to the kids who get knocked up ... guess what? Many of them HAVE condoms or knew where to get them. Many fo the girls that get pregnant chose to accept the risk - partially because we talk up the idea of pregnancy. Plus, when the welfare system encourages kids as a means to bolster your income, abstinence and prevention becomes counterintuitive.

Once upon a time we had social mores that partially ostracized kids that engaged in these activities. Today we glorify it. In some states it is even a potential path to emancipation.

Education, yes. Tools to engage in risky and immoral behavior, no. The logical extension of the argument that "they are just going to do it anyway" would be to provide hotel rooms for sex, alcohol to drink, filtered cigarettes to smoke, and pharmaceutical drugs provided by medical professionals. Yeah, it sounds absurd, but to many of us who stare in mystified amazement at the ever diminishing role of propriety in public education, we find it sad and terrifying. Our collapse will come from within, not from without. When we lose our moral center, it is then we will collapse. Personally, I doubt that we could point to a moral center any longer as there seems to be no singular sense of moral principles to look to for guidance. The mantra today seems to be, "if it feels good, do it."

Both sad, and terrifying.
 

Just Blue

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In my state it is.


They have sex education in school. Education does not mean passing out condoms or giving classes on how to put them on.

we had an incident a couple years back where a teacher demonstrated to grade school students how to safely apply a condom using a vegetable. Highly inappropriate to me, apparently not so bad according to the state which has proposed sex education early even in grade school.
When 10 year old child STOP having sex I will agree with you.

Personally I am open regarding sex ed with my children. I do not "need" the school to parent my kids. But I would rather my children be "over-educated" than another child be ignorant and either end up preggers, HIV+ or BOTH.

Ignorance is NOT BLISS. Ignorance=Death.
 

CdwJava

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When 10 year old child STOP having sex I will agree with you.
And offering them a condom in their 5th grade class is going to stop that? And the kid is going to use it? Really?

Personally I am open regarding sex ed with my children. I do not "need" the school to parent my kids. But I would rather my children be "over-educated" than another child be ignorant and either end up preggers, HIV+ or BOTH.

Ignorance is NOT BLISS. Ignorance=Death.
Please point out where I ever stated NO on education. I did not.

I am opposed to the school providing the means to engage in immoral, unhealthy and even illegal activity. I would also appreciate the opportunity to opt out of certain programs in school. While that opt out is available for sex education at high school and the earlier one in 5th or 6th grade, many other programs that touch on moral issues are not opt-out programs.
 

Just Blue

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And offering them a condom in their 5th grade class is going to stop that? And the kid is going to use it? Really?


Please point out where I ever stated NO on education. I did not.

I am opposed to the school providing the means to engage in immoral, unhealthy and even illegal activity. I would also appreciate the opportunity to opt out of certain programs in school. While that opt out is available for sex education at high school and the earlier one in 5th or 6th grade, many other programs that touch on moral issues are not opt-out programs.
sigh...I'm gonna agree to disagree.

:)
 

tranquility

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It is not the government's role to help kids commit crimes. Shall we pass out clean needles too? How about unadulterated drugs? Or, at least, the proper amounts of drugs to use should be taught in health class.

"Drugs are bad, m'kay. Don't use meth. But, if you do, be sure to go to the nurse and get a fresh needle EVERY TIME, take no more than 2mg per KG of body weight and use the proper injection procedures we learned last semester. Buy from Rollo 'cause he has good stuff. Marko's ice is always adulterated with rat poison so stay away from him.

Homework for tonight is to make a video on how to take meth safely--as I know some will do it even though I tell you drugs are bad, m'kay."
 

Just Blue

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It is not the government's role to help kids commit crimes. Shall we pass out clean needles too? How about unadulterated drugs? Or, at least, the proper amounts of drugs to use should be taught in health class.

"Drugs are bad, m'kay. Don't use meth. But, if you do, be sure to go to the nurse and get a fresh needle EVERY TIME, take no more than 2mg per KG of body weight and use the proper injection procedures we learned last semester. Buy from Rollo 'cause he has good stuff. Marko's ice is always adulterated with rat poison so stay away from him.

Homework for tonight is to make a video on how to take meth safely--as I know some will do it even though I tell you drugs are bad, m'kay."



Again...Agree to disagree.
 

Just Blue

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And your disagreement gets to influence the OPs child against his will, why?

For a fact-based summary on how the programs are "working", see:
Condom Availability Programs in U.S. Schools
They don't. The PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM that the OP VOLUNTARILY sends his children to does though.

Answer to OP LEGAL QUESTION. HOMESCHOOLING and Cotton wrappings. Do not allow your children out in public lest they be immorally influenced by the masses.

:rolleyes:
 

Humusluvr

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They don't. The PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM that the OP VOLUNTARILY sends his children to does though.

Answer to OP LEGAL QUESTION. HOMESCHOOLING and Cotton wrappings. Do not allow your children out in public lest they be immorally influenced by the masses.

:rolleyes:
or chastity belts! Woo hoo!
 

Humusluvr

Senior Member
And your disagreement gets to influence the OPs child against his will, why?

For a fact-based summary on how the programs are "working", see:
Condom Availability Programs in U.S. Schools
From your source -

"Thus far, no studies of the impact of condom availability programs alone upon students' sexual behavior or condom use have been published."

What are you trying to prove? We know that it's not a "one factor" problem here.
 

CdwJava

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They don't. The PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM that the OP VOLUNTARILY sends his children to does though.
No, the OP - and the rest of us - have little to no choice but to send a child to public school. Since private school is generally beyond the means of any parents, we are forced to cow-tow to the moral teachings of others that we may not entirely agree with. And as schools have departed from the basics of education into cultural advancement, they have also run afoul of the beliefs of many parents.

I no more want my kids indoctrinated in a humanist philosophy of do what you please than you might want your child indoctrinated in my Christian faith. Why should your beliefs trump mine?

Answer to OP LEGAL QUESTION. HOMESCHOOLING and Cotton wrappings. Do not allow your children out in public lest they be immorally influenced by the masses.
Or, confront the school administration. Make it uncomfortable for them to pursue actions that may be abhorrent to local community standards and may, perhaps, be considered encouraging criminal activity (depending ont he laws in the OP's state concerning underage sexual activity).

At the very least, consider options that might allow for parents to opt-out their children without any negative hit to their academics.
 

Just Blue

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From your source -

"Thus far, no studies of the impact of condom availability programs alone upon students' sexual behavior or condom use have been published."

What are you trying to prove? We know that it's not a "one factor" problem here.
I didn't even bother to read it. It's not relevant. Besides, anyone with half a brain knows that morals are taught at home. Early CHD is the real issue...and morals, along with EDUCATION at a young age by trusted adults, usurps "public school brain washing". ;)
 
No, the OP - and the rest of us - have little to no choice but to send a child to public school. Since private school is generally beyond the means of any parents, we are forced to cow-tow to the moral teachings of others that we may not entirely agree with. And as schools have departed from the basics of education into cultural advancement, they have also run afoul of the beliefs of many parents.

I no more want my kids indoctrinated in a humanist philosophy of do what you please than you might want your child indoctrinated in my Christian faith. Why should your beliefs trump mine?


Or, confront the school administration.
Make it uncomfortable for them to pursue actions that may be abhorrent to local community standards and may, perhaps, be considered encouraging criminal activity (depending ont he laws in the OP's state concerning underage sexual activity).

At the very least, consider options that might allow for parents to opt-out their children without any negative hit to their academics.
Excellent idea! I just want to add that OP should not only go to local administration, but also the superintendent and the board of education. The school principal will be uncomfortable, but not always able to make a change. Changes happen with the Board. (at least in our district)
 
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