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CJane

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Should have called the sheriff when both ex and child were in courthouse to have sheriff enforce order.
Sheriff already told her - when she was filing reports after initial denial that he was unable to enforce beyond a phone call to Dad - which he did. That they cannot arrest w/out a court order and they could not force child into car...

She has no reason to expect that anything different would have happened now.

But it makes me wonder why this is in every order in MO:

Pursuant to RSMo. 452.425:
Any court order for the custody of, or visitation with, a child may include a provision that the sheriff or other law enforcement officer shall enforce the rights of any person to custody or visitation unless the court issues a subsequent order pursuant to chapter* 210, 211, 452 or 455, RSMo, to limit or deny the custody of, or visitations with, the child. Such sheriff or law enforcement officer shall not remove a child from a person who has actual physical custody of the child unless such sheriff or officer is shown a court order or judgment which clearly and convincingly verifies that such person is not entitled to the actual physical custody of the child, and there are not other exigent circumstances that would give the sheriff or officer reasonable suspicion to believe that the child would be harmed or that the court order presented to the sheriff or officer may not be valid.
 


Silverplum

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One of the first things I'd like New Mean Attorney to do is SUE the Sheriff! Personally sue his ass, for all the attorneys' fees majomom has spent and for general mental anguish, for refusing to do his duty as outlined in your post, CJane.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
 

CJane

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One of the first things I'd like New Mean Attorney to do is SUE the Sheriff! Personally sue his ass, for all the attorneys' fees majomom has spent and for general mental anguish, for refusing to do his duty as outlined in your post, CJane.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I know. This is one of those things that makes me wish I didn't have to have a real job... cuz I do SO love a Crusade. Complete w/Inquisitions and stuff.

Fuggers.

I'm so pissed right now, I want to leave work and drive right down there and... ... ... be really really MAD THERE!

Bleh.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

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I'm so wanting to go up there and hold a 'free my child from mean ol' X". Unfortunately, I 've got to work too.

Don't know who suggested it, but the one about parking in the governor's office wasn't bad. Is there a representative's office she could stalk too?
 

majomom1

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I am so angry I can barely speak. I don't think my attorney or the judge even understand this motion.

My attorney says the judge didn't find him at fault for withholding parenting time, that is what the access motion was for.

When I said no, it is also supposed to be about custody... she said she didn't know.

I couldn't speak in the court room at all... his attorney claimed an email of his gave me knowledge that he was enrolling our son in KS school. I said "that is not informing, it is a threat and there was nothing I could do about his threats. My attorney said he did not have the legal right to enroll our son."

My attorney objected several times for his attorney to let me finish my answer, she objected a couple of times because the question applied to the modification, not the family access hearing.

It just seems that everyone was looking at parenting time, not custody... and I still did not agree to enrolling our son in the KS school. My school still has not transfered records...

I don't think it was made clear to the judge that I have physical custody and our son is supposed to be living with me.

Something is just so wrong here and I am more than annoyed when my attorney says she doesn't know what else to do...

Doesn't the judge have to follow the law? And if some one gives him the correct information does he have to amend his decision or re-do the hearing.
 

Silverplum

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I am so angry I can barely speak. I don't think my attorney or the judge even understand this motion.

My attorney says the judge didn't find him at fault for withholding parenting time, that is what the access motion was for.

When I said no, it is also supposed to be about custody... she said she didn't know.

I couldn't speak in the court room at all... his attorney claimed an email of his gave me knowledge that he was enrolling our son in KS school. I said "that is not informing, it is a threat and there was nothing I could do about his threats. My attorney said he did not have the legal right to enroll our son."

My attorney objected several times for his attorney to let me finish my answer, she objected a couple of times because the question applied to the modification, not the family access hearing.

It just seems that everyone was looking at parenting time, not custody... and I still did not agree to enrolling our son in the KS school. My school still has not transfered records...

I don't think it was made clear to the judge that I have physical custody and our son is supposed to be living with me.

Something is just so wrong here and I am more than annoyed when my attorney says she doesn't know what else to do...

Doesn't the judge have to follow the law? And if some one gives him the correct information does he have to amend his decision or re-do the hearing.
This SUX. We're sorry for you. :(

But yes, the stupid judge DOES have to follow the law -- and is supposed to know it -- and if not, the attorneys "remind" him/her. :rolleyes: :eek: The "redo" you're talking about is the APPEAL. You have a short time frame to file (dunno what it is in your state) -- hit it, and hit it at once!

Dead serious about involving senators and reps -- both state- and national-level. Those folks are supposed to rep YOU. Call them all. Camp in offices.
 

Zephyr

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This SUX. We're sorry for you. :(

But yes, the stupid judge DOES have to follow the law -- and is supposed to know it -- and if not, the attorneys "remind" him/her. :rolleyes: :eek: The "redo" you're talking about is the APPEAL. You have a short time frame to file (dunno what it is in your state) -- hit it, and hit it at once!

Dead serious about involving senators and reps -- both state- and national-level. Those folks are supposed to rep YOU. Call them all. Camp in offices.
now that's the silver I know and love!!!!:D
 

CJane

Senior Member
This SUX. We're sorry for you. :(

But yes, the stupid judge DOES have to follow the law -- and is supposed to know it -- and if not, the attorneys "remind" him/her. :rolleyes: :eek: The "redo" you're talking about is the APPEAL. You have a short time frame to file (dunno what it is in your state) -- hit it, and hit it at once!

Dead serious about involving senators and reps -- both state- and national-level. Those folks are supposed to rep YOU. Call them all. Camp in offices.
From my own experience w/the appeals process... you have to appeal a decision - and that hasn't been handed down officially yet - and may be being post-poned until after mediation

(When is that, majo?)

Once you have the decision, there's a timeframe for filing a motion to reconsider/ammend. That HAS to be done before you can file an appeal.

THEN you have to file notice with the trial court that you're appealing it, order the transcripts, etc... and THEN you can file the appeal.

So there's time. And there are steps that must be taken first...

Majo... I can put you in touch w/the guy that handled my appeal. He's hawt AND good... his wife was my attorney in the whole trial process. THough I'm unclear on their current marital status... PM me for info.
 

Silverplum

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From my own experience w/the appeals process... you have to appeal a decision - and that hasn't been handed down officially yet - and may be being post-poned until after mediation

(When is that, majo?)

Once you have the decision, there's a timeframe for filing a motion to reconsider/ammend. That HAS to be done before you can file an appeal.

THEN you have to file notice with the trial court that you're appealing it, order the transcripts, etc... and THEN you can file the appeal.

So there's time. And there are steps that must be taken first...

Majo... I can put you in touch w/the guy that handled my appeal. He's hawt AND good... his wife was my attorney in the whole trial process. THough I'm unclear on their current marital status... PM me for info.
Thanks, CJane! Better info from MO. :eek:
 

majomom1

Senior Member
Ok... This is how it went. I really really think the judge is not clear on this motion... wording here is very crucial. This all seems to be about parenting time only, not custody.

Before our case, in the courtroom... My attorney's description of my son, whom she had never met was that he looked ashamed and was FLANKED by my ex and the sm.

The attorneys spoke to the judge, basic info. This is for family access only and the set up court ordered mediation for the modification. SM and son were asked to leave the court room. (There is a sign on the court room door that says NO CHILDREN ALLOWED.)

I was the only witness. I did not take my notes or anything with me, because I did not know what to expect. My attorney went over the basics, then confirmed the dates my son went with ex and that it was a temporary agreement which was supposed to have included both of our kids. She asked how many times I had seen our oldest or had visitation with him.

His attorney pointed out one email where I said no to changing schools, repeatedly... and she focused on how exactly I had 'checked out the school'. I told her that I had spoken to counselors and other parents etc... She asked if I knew that the school had been written up in Newsweek 4 times, my attorney objected. She then tried to have me read an excerpt off of the school's website... my attorney objected again. So she asked me why I didn't feel the school 'checked out'. I stated that our grading scale was based on an A being 97%, and that school was based on a A being 90%, our school offers the same courses and he has been in this school since Kindergarten, I believe that says more than "reputation" does for the other school. Our son does very well and I feel our school has been a huge factor in that success, I don't want to rock the boat in his junior year. She claimed an email of his gave me knowledge that he was enrolling our son in KS school. I said "that is not informing, it is a threat and there was nothing I could do about his threats. My attorney said he did not have the legal right to enroll our son."

She asked me how many baseball games I attended of his, I told her that Mr. May had signed both boys up, to play on my nights, and never gave me a schedule. I managed to get a schedule from other parents, but was not given rainout or make up games and the schedules for both our sons conflicted as they were each in different places on the same night, sometimes an hour away. I took our youngest to his games and had to miss most of Matt's. (My night so I had to take our youngest to his games... our oldest can drive himself.)

(I thought my ex would be on the stand and was ready to counter this one. He missed ALL of our youngests Thursday games because he was in a golf league and was not at the few games I was able to attend of our oldest.)

She then asked how many times I had talked to our oldest, or called him. I had no count of the number of times I called him. My ex got him a new cell phone in May and no one ever told me, so my texts and calls all went unanswered, I thought he was ignoring me and I was not given a new number. She asked if I had ever called my ex's house. I said yes, or I called or emailed my ex.

(My attorney had a copy of my email from my ex stating that I would have to arrange vistiation with our son directly and that he was very busy.)

My attorney tried to ask, on re-direct, about our youngest son still being with me, his attorney objected saying that he was not part of this motion.

I am in a daze. I thought my ex would have to take the stand... and my attorney had a whole host of emails that do show his interference...

AND custody is supposed to be with me in this state and school district. A change in schools is a joint decision, not him telling me he is going to...

I still feel like the judge himself did not understand the whole motion itself... I have no clue what to do. I would love to camp out at the govenor's or somewhere, but I need knowledge to stand on... HELP!
 
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