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karma1

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rooting for ya here, raiser!!

Having been a part of this board and others for some time now, I would definetely expect the worst and hope for the best--family law is so fickle sometimes...

Also, any way you can get the actual school records from their previous school before the hearing? the grades? attendance records? there might be a history there that might be of use to you...
JMO
 


raiseretrievers said:
I also thank the others who have offered their assistance - Illinois Parent and BelizeBreeze, and anyone else who may actually be watching and rooting for the underdog.
ciao

Careful here, you might just make BB blush a bit. Great work, I'm so proud of you and yes, there were a lot of us watching this.
 

JulieHun

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Just to let you know, Ive been reading this since you first posted. I dont post alot on here, but I read just about everything. Im rooting for you all the way!
You sound like a wonderful man and father, and those kids need and deserve you in there life. They need you and the stable, loving lifestyle that you can give them!
My ex wont see my daughter, has more or less disowned her, and I have more then gotten on my knees and begged him. I sure wish there were more fathers like you out there! Ive givin up on my ex, and I just wait for the day, but until then, I keep on living and my daughter is totally happy and secure.

Im here, reading and waiting with you, and I wish you the Very Best of Luck!

Sounds like GM is a Crazy Drunk, and the ex and the rest of the family are right with her.
Keep us updated...
Best to you and your children...
 
add to the list of things you need to do...

Contact the NCMEC, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 1 800 THE LOST. The reason to do so may not be clear now, but I assure you, once you talk to them, you'll understand. Because of the GM and CP's actions, you WANT to include lingo in the eventual papers you have signed by the courts that address parental abduction.

They will give you information on how to proactively address situations that you have not even thought of yet. Situations that would best be termed a living nightmare, but, one which you can wake from, if you have the issues spelled out in advance. In your situation, the best defense will be a good offense. That may sound harsh, but please, please take my word for it. If nothing else, you will be able to say to yourself,"gee, things could be a lot worse".

Additionally, having this information, understanding what the courts can and cannot do will be not just informative for you, but will also help you present scenarios and possibilities to a judge. You will, having read up on the subject, know what 'words' are going to get the judge's attention. And help you get remedies, etc., in place before they are needed. In case you haven't noticed, I am a big believer in 'forewarned is fore-armed'.

I understand that currently you are in 'crisis mode' and you have to prioritize because there are just so many hours in a day. But this really does need to be the next step. Concurrent with counseling for you and your kids. I do understand the trauma your youngest went through being a human tug of war between two people he loves. Don't underestimate this, and don't be surprised if he suddenly emotionally, psychologically or physically suddenly exhibits signs of seperation anxiety. And pay attention, it may manifest in a variety of ways and at any time, including in the future. Hence, the suggestion for counseling, sooner rather than later.

I understand what you are going through, and though I wish you the best of luck, my most ardent prayers are for your kids. They have a tough road ahead of them. Thank you also for you kind words. Good luck, the hardest part has yet to begin.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
The link that Illinois Parent refered to is in the references I supplied yesterday, yes they can be very helpful. You have a great learning curve here, a lot to learn in a short time. I'm glad that we have been helpful and that you have kept a level head through this ordeal. It is the best interest of your childen first and formost that is at stake and a part of this is providing for a stable home environment and to nurture both parental relationships. So, what you will ask for, will not totally shut out their mom. If you don't become custodial parent, ask to share custody 50/50, but since she has no stable environment currently, hopefully the judge will rule in your favor, at least for a time. Don't forget about child support changes.

Insofar as the clarinet, remember if they show the tape, the supposed theft won't show. Good that your son confirmed that he normally brought the clarinet with him on visits. That they went to the trouble to contact the police regarding that and it was a false issue shows how little they have. Good you got the case #.

Also give a copy of the papers to the MP's at Ft. Lewis even though it is a civil matter, because that will further show that you are following the court's order. Again, showing their despiration and lack of basis for their claims.

Another fact you mentioned, re their last school, that they believed the GM was custodian and also when you originally contacted them, that was how you got the number for the mom and that at that time they thought GM had custody. Remember, even with the cel phone # all communications were with GM, not mom. Both showing that the court's order was violated and deception used in mom's parental abduction. You are lucky to have been able to locate the children and regain custody.

Since they took a copy of the orders expect them to show up on Thursday, even though you have a good case, anything can still happen. Important to be sure you file the proof of service, also the fact that they contacted the sheriff's department and Ft. Lewis, shows they are aware of the order and that you are acting under the court's order. It will be interesting for mom to explain to the court her reason for deception rather than to leave the children with you if she really was just looking for work, because the original court order did not allow for her to just give custody to anyone without a modification of the order and if she had not meant to deceive, would have done that prior to leaving Oregon or before handing the children over to GM. It sounds as if GM may be the manipuptive one running the show based on Mom's words during the event the other night and the fact that it was GM who came to the door and mom hiding in the van. Or is this due to mom's substance abuse?

The critical issues in getting custody on Thursday will be establishing the fact that mom and GM intentionally violated all the court's orders and that that was not in the best interest of the children. That you have been following the court's order and mom refused to communicate re the children shows her attempts to interfere with your visitation and relationship with your children. Both of these are points in the statutes previously cited. If your old parers had allowed mom to transfer custody to GM without the courts approval, the comissoner would not have granted you tempoary custody, but by giving her the opportunity to tell her side will allow her and mom to argue that the best interest is served by them having custody. So they will look for everything you may or not have done in the past to use against you, ignoring what they have done and they will bring these allegations into court on Thursday. That being the case, not only will you have to do your best to prove your case, but be prepared to answer their allegations without time to prepare, so ask for a continuance to allow for time to answer their allegations, unless you have what you need there already. This will not be the last hearing. Make sure that when the new visitation orders are made that you ask for supervised visitation at a safe place such as through DCFS or appropriate agency, so you don't have any more repeats of recent events or future attempts to abduct the children, that is why you will want protective orders protecting your home, work and their schools. Also, prepare your children fo rthe fact that the commissioner may allow them some time to visit at court with their mother. What your children have to say will likely be important.

You have lot to do, little time to do it, and even with the best preparation, will never feel like you have covered everything. If they show up with an attorney on Thursday, figure that you will need one also, even so they will have a hard time explaining what they have done already given the history with an attorney and the fact that they failed to modify the custody through the courts and planned instead to deceive you. I'm glad you are trying to establish a routine and having activities to distract the children. The children's welfare first and formost. Good luck.

info:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)
Charles B. Wang International Children’s Building
699 Prince Street
Alexandria, VA 22314–3175
800–843–5678
703–274–2220 (fax)
[email protected]
www.missingkids.com

NCMEC is a private, nonprofit clearinghouse that was established in 1984 and operates under a congressional mandate. A resource center for child protection, NCMEC collects and distributes information on missing and exploited children and operates a national toll-free hotline, 800–THE–LOST (800–843–5678), for individuals to report missing children or request information. NCMEC assists families and can be of tremendous help to law enforcement in case management, case tracking, lead and information analysis, and coordination of responses across jurisdictional lines.
 
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WOW and DOUBLE WOW! I am continuing in overwhelmed mode, but have a good idea about what to do next.

I am filing the proof of service the afternoon and have already left a message for the detective who took the GM's statement to confirm that there was proof of identity so this incident doesn't look like something I had someone fabricate and it back fire at the hearing saying that I am trying to prove that the GM is not credible due to this event. Being such a good liar, the GM (if she was not positively identified) could disenvow any knowledge of the event and look at me and ask "how could you think that I'd do something like this" leaving me with no back-up. I have to look at this three dimensionally.

What can I do to subpoena the tape as evidence? Is there a form? Will I have to subpoena the uncle as proof that he shot the video?

Should my GF go to the hearing with me, or will a notarized declaration suffice?

I am not taking the children to the hearing. They will be at school oblivious to the debacle.

Did I mention that I intend to make a written statement instead of trying to vocalize the facts verbally?

My first statement might be submitting the police report and to eliminate the GM as a party of the hearing by discrediting her. I believe, since both parents will be there, that she has no legal basis to even open her mouth. If she were to open her mouth, I want the commissioner to have a vote of no confidence in her. It should be between me, the mother and the court, right?

Please, fill in the blanks and keep the comments and suggestions coming. Every little bit helps if only subliminally.

Thank you all very much for your support and assistance.
 

raknoell

Junior Member
Your a good man after going through a lengthy costudy battle for two years I the father came out victorious with full costudy. Okay have you talked to a lawyer yet if not you should. Second always know that it is always about your children and their safety never about your self. So never settle for anything that can put your kids in danger and that sounds like thier mother is very dangerous by letting her remain cp it is like giving them a loaded gun and telling them to play. You have to fight this like you are fighting for thier life. It will be very expensive I spent over $35,000 in two years, also think about hiring Private Investigators to tail her. One of the major turning factors in my case was my PI's caught my sons mother go out have 6 drinks and pick my son up from a babysitters at 1 a.m. driving 70 mph down 30 mph side streets. so if she has the drinking problem you say she does she will deffinatly mess up eventually. GOOD LUCK any questions feel free to IM OR EMAIL
 
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