Watch out for fake red light camera tickets, in California

[NotACopOrLawyer]

Please explain the difference.

NACOL

 

[seniorjudge]

Please explain the difference.

NACOL

Between what?

 

[NotACopOrLawyer]

My previous post explained...

Previously I posted "Please explain the difference."

I was trying to ask what nuance of the law CdwJava (a law enforcement officer) was referring to when he said,

"Maybe the camera can't get you for being in the intersection when the light turns, but an officer can." (His post of March 10.)

Not a Cop or Lawyer... or a Judge

 

[seniorjudge]

Previously I posted "Please explain the difference."

I was trying to ask what nuance of the law CdwJava (a law enforcement officer) was referring to when he said,

"Maybe the camera can't get you for being in the intersection when the light turns, but an officer can." (His post of March 10.)

Not a Cop or Lawyer... or a Judge

"Maybe the camera can't get you for being in the intersection when the light turns, but an officer can."

Tell me what you do not understand about this sentence and I will try to explain it to you.

 

[seniorjudge]

It doesn't matter WHAT color the light is once you're in the intersection. All that is required is that you do not enter (cross the limit line) after the signal has turned red.

Please cite your legal authority for this statement. Thank you.

 

[NotACopOrLawyer]

Here is authority

Here is authority, the applicable section of the CA vehicle code

21453. (a) A driver facing a steady circular red signal alone shall
stop at a marked limit line, but if none, before entering the
crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then
before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown...

My basic question still is, how can an officer (properly) ticket you for being IN the intersection when the light goes red. The law seems to be very clear -it only prohibits entering (crossing the limit line) AFTER the signal is red.

I hope Cdw will come back and explain his post.

NACOL

 

[Heather2]

before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown...

I think you are interpreting that wrong. You are not supose to enter an intersection until you can safely make it through before it turns red, not just go while it's green. My friend got a ticket for running a red light when there was just too many cars and he got stuck. It was green when he entered but red before he made it through because traffic abrubtly stopped. Cop sees, he'll give you a ticket. The traffic cameras are different.

 

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[Alchohol_Free]

This Thread's Gotten off track

This is a very significant thread with a lot of important information for CA citizens, but it's gotten off track.

So, I will re-direct things back to CA driving.

For you CA drivers out there. You're local elected officials in conjuction with your state representatives, have secretly deployed camera's at intersections with the sole purpose of extracting money from you. They are in the process of rigging short yellow lights, so the light will change to red on you while you're driving through an intersection and the camera's take a picture. You'll recieve a "ticket" in your mail, that hints that the mafia is after you.

PAY NOT ATTENTION TO THIS "TICKET".

 

[Heather2]

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[NotACopOrLawyer]

Back on topic...

We haven't heard from CdwJava, so in an effort to clarify WHEN you can enter an intersection, I referred to the famous book Fight Your Ticket, by David Brown. Of VC 21453 he says:

"It is not illegal to deliberately drive through a yellow light. As long as the front of your vehicle entered the intersection or passed the crosswalk or limit line before the light turned red, you haven't broken the law."

I think that is pretty clear.

The last ten or so entries in this thread have shown us that lots of people don't understand 21453. Maybe if more people understood it, there would be fewer rear-enders.

As to Tyson-bird's friend, he probably got a ticket for grid-locking the intersection, not running the red.

Anyway, someone said we got off topic. So, here is the original topic, again.

"Watch out for fake red light camera tickets in California"

"At least nine cities in California are sending out fake red light camera tickets, to get you to identify the driver, so that they can send the driver a real ticket. (The fake tickets don't have a court's address on them, as they have not been filed with the court! Therefore, they have no legal weight and should be ignored.) It's a great con game - most people, not having heard anything about it in the press, fall for it. And, while the fake tickets are fully bilingual, I think that those not as familiar with American courts (and such things as the 5th Amendment) are much more likely to be fooled."

"In case you need additional info, look at this free-of-any-charge website: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redli...icket.htm#Fakes"

Enjoy!

NACOL

 

[Heather2]

We haven't heard from CdwJava, so in an effort to clarify WHEN you can enter an intersection, I referred to the famous book Fight Your Ticket, by David Brown. Of VC 21453 he says:

"It is not illegal to deliberately drive through a yellow light. As long as the front of your vehicle entered the intersection or passed the crosswalk or limit line before the light turned red, you haven't broken the law."

I think that is pretty clear.

The last ten or so entries in this thread have shown us that lots of people don't understand 21453. Maybe if more people understood it, there would be fewer rear-enders.

As to Tyson-bird's friend, he probably got a ticket for grid-locking the intersection, not running the red.

Anyway, someone said we got off topic. So, here is the original topic, again.

"Watch out for fake red light camera tickets in California"

"At least nine cities in California are sending out fake red light camera tickets, to get you to identify the driver, so that they can send the driver a real ticket. (The fake tickets don't have a court's address on them, as they have not been filed with the court! Therefore, they have no legal weight and should be ignored.) It's a great con game - most people, not having heard anything about it in the press, fall for it. And, while the fake tickets are fully bilingual, I think that those not as familiar with American courts (and such things as the 5th Amendment) are much more likely to be fooled."

"In case you need additional info, look at this free-of-any-charge website: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redli...icket.htm#Fakes"

Enjoy!

NACOL

I hope you're right but I doubt it. And I hope we do hear from CdwJava. I would trust laws over someone's book. And just to clarify my friend got the ticket for running a red light. I was there and the cop told us what I told you but cops can lie.

 

[ylen13]

so they can't get a person for running a light if he is driving a car that's not registred to him, then next question is how dose it work for business. Business cars are registred to business, dose business required udner the law to id the driver or can they use it wasn't me excuse.

 

[NotACopOrLawyer]

What about car not registered to you?

Yes, they CAN ticket you in a car not registered to you. How?

1. If the registered owner turns in your name, after getting a real or fake ticket in HIS name.

2. If the picture on the ticket is a female whose driver's license address is at the male registered owner's house. When the police notice the gender mis-match, they use computer to pull up all licenses at owner's house, look at photos on licenses, and pick someone!

I don't know what the law is regarding tickets issued to businesses. Maybe someone else does.

NACOL

 

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