Please explain the difference.
"Maybe the camera can't get you for being in the intersection when the light turns, but an officer can."NotACopOrLawyer said:Previously I posted "Please explain the difference."
I was trying to ask what nuance of the law CdwJava (a law enforcement officer) was referring to when he said,
"Maybe the camera can't get you for being in the intersection when the light turns, but an officer can." (His post of March 10.)
Not a Cop or Lawyer... or a Judge
Please cite your legal authority for this statement. Thank you.NotACopOrLawyer said:It doesn't matter WHAT color the light is once you're in the intersection. All that is required is that you do not enter (cross the limit line) after the signal has turned red.
I think you are interpreting that wrong. You are not supose to enter an intersection until you can safely make it through before it turns red, not just go while it's green. My friend got a ticket for running a red light when there was just too many cars and he got stuck. It was green when he entered but red before he made it through because traffic abrubtly stopped. Cop sees, he'll give you a ticket. The traffic cameras are different.NotACopOrLawyer said:before entering the intersection, and shall remain stopped until an
indication to proceed is shown...
I hope you're right but I doubt it. And I hope we do hear from CdwJava. I would trust laws over someone's book. And just to clarify my friend got the ticket for running a red light. I was there and the cop told us what I told you but cops can lie.NotACopOrLawyer said:We haven't heard from CdwJava, so in an effort to clarify WHEN you can enter an intersection, I referred to the famous book Fight Your Ticket, by David Brown. Of VC 21453 he says:
"It is not illegal to deliberately drive through a yellow light. As long as the front of your vehicle entered the intersection or passed the crosswalk or limit line before the light turned red, you haven't broken the law."
I think that is pretty clear.
The last ten or so entries in this thread have shown us that lots of people don't understand 21453. Maybe if more people understood it, there would be fewer rear-enders.
As to Tyson-bird's friend, he probably got a ticket for grid-locking the intersection, not running the red.
Anyway, someone said we got off topic. So, here is the original topic, again.
"Watch out for fake red light camera tickets in California"
"At least nine cities in California are sending out fake red light camera tickets, to get you to identify the driver, so that they can send the driver a real ticket. (The fake tickets don't have a court's address on them, as they have not been filed with the court! Therefore, they have no legal weight and should be ignored.) It's a great con game - most people, not having heard anything about it in the press, fall for it. And, while the fake tickets are fully bilingual, I think that those not as familiar with American courts (and such things as the 5th Amendment) are much more likely to be fooled."
"In case you need additional info, look at this free-of-any-charge website: http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redli...icket.htm#Fakes"
tyson-bird said:Let the DJ try:
You keep popping up everywhere. Do ya think you could find me the lyrics for battle flag (feat. pigeon hed) by Lo Fidelity?